TONGUES TODAY

Then you do not know many saved people.

A saved man either read the Bible or some one preached or taught the Bible to him

My friend.....there is NO OTHER WAY!

What ceased?
Where do you find anything ceassing?

Then you do not know many saved people.

A saved man either read the Bible or some one preached or taught the Bible to him

My friend.....there is NO OTHER WAY!

For heaven sake man....READ THE BOOK. I have posted it for you many times.

1 Corinthians 13:8-9 ......
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, THY WILL CEASE; where there are tongues, THEY WILL BE STILLED; where there is knowledge, IT WILL PASS AWAY. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,"

How can those words be so hard to understand???????

Please show me where I said what YOU just said?????

I never said any such thing.

READ the book...1 Corth. 13:9.

If you do not like what God said...........text Him and tell Him what you thinK.

I guess paul was not saved

Mrs. Sophie. I wish I could say that I have enjoyed the conversation with you. However, all that has happened is me posting Scripture and doing the exegesis of that Scripture and YOU making fun and being personal toward me.

I will no longer respond to any of your posts. You are free to continue your rantings and name calling and overall un-Christian behavior toward me personally, but I no longer have the desire or need to try and communicate with you.

I hope that you and your family will be safe and stay healthy. May the Lord bless you and keep you safe in the palm of HIs hand.

Major....over and OUT!

Precisely - Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles – it stands to reason that he would use his knowledge of languages more than the average person. It was essentially part of his ‘job description’. He’s not advocating for modern tongues-speech here.

There has been ZERO/NONE rebuttal of a Scriptural nature so as to have a civil conversation. So for that reason I am not going to respond to your posts anymore.

Many testimonies of muslims getting a visitation by Jesus similar to paul in mid east countries.
Getting saved with no bible or preacher ....as did I.

You actually, unknowingly said something Biblically correct in that the SIGN GIFTS were in fact "Temporary".
Just as recorded in Mark 16:14-18 those SIGN GIFTS were given to the Apostles. I know you do not like that but that is exactly what the Bible says.

Again.....correct. NO Apostles today so there can not be any healing done by a MAN today by blowing or knocking down people with the Holy Spirit.

Have YOU ever personally seen a demonically possessed person?????

Jesus Christ is Lord! I speak this by the Holy Spirit, amen.

If I speak in tongues, which I do often, I speak this by the Holy Spirit, amen. SELAH!

Do NOT grieve, quench, neglect or speak evil against the Holy Spirit of God. If you do so, you are being VERY foolish and do NOT know God, only claim to by pride and human reasoning.

Love for God is BETTER than human reasoning....just saying...lol!

My recommendation.......Repent and call upon the Name of Jesus Christ that you can be forgiven of your ignorance, amen.

You are loved....sinner or saint, amen.

1 Corinthians 14:34.........CONTEXT of chapter 12-14 is the "CORRECTION" of the error of speaking in tongues and in verse #34 Paul says...
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”

You said you speak in tongues but the Bible says that YOU as a woman are NOT to speak in tongues in church.

Mark 16:14-18 ........
Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow THEM (the ELEVEN of verse #14) that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

You say you speak in tongues but the Bible says that it was the ELEVEN who were given the SIGN GIFT of tongues.

It is interesting how that 1 Corinthians 14:2 is bypassed, where Paul says that the person who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God because no one understands him, but speaks mysteries in the Spirit. And Paul describes people speaking with tongues would be speaking to the air and be just like a barbarian to the others because they wouldn't understand what he is saying.

I think those who maintain that tongues always has to be understandable languages are actually conditioned to believe that because it has been drilled into them by their mentors to such a degree that when they read 1 Corinthians 14:2, they have a blind spot and cannot see the literal text but overwrite their conditioned belief over it, thereby putting words into Paul's mouth that he never said.

Also, I have provided absolutely true testimonies of people speaking in modern tongues languages they have never learned, and most of the time the language has been unknown to anyone, but once, even praying normally in tongues, the language changed to a language understood by a foreign visitor. This happened twice to people well known to me - committed godly believers who never lie nor exaggerate. If it happened to them it really did, and they would just sit back and laugh at anyone who asserted they were mistaken.

The notion that tongues has to always be an understandable language is a silly notion taught by those who are ignorant about the ways the Holy Spirit moves, and are totally uninformed in what tongues is all about, and they superimpose their "conditioned" interpretation into the Scripture to make it say what they want it to say.

Most genuine Pentecostals would take the attitude, "If a person is ignorant, let him remain ignorant." That's why many genuine Pentecostals and Charismatics don't argue about tongues on these threads. They just can't be bothered wasting their time with teaching these opposers of modern tongues got out of the backside of a horse.

Not trying to get into an argument, but I have discussed 1 Cor. 14:2 quite a bit in other threads as well as some of the things you bring up. Didn’t want to repeat myself here, but….

With respect to 1 Cor. 14:2 – The whole passage is talking about real, rational language.

Let me use an analogy - If I attend a worship service in “East Haystack”, some remote town in the US out in the middle of nowhere, two things are going to be evident: one; there’s only going to be so many people at that service (i.e. there will be a finite given amount of people there) and two; the chances that anyone speaks anything but English is pretty slim to nil.

If I start praying aloud in say Lithuanian, there’s no one at that service that’s going to understand a single word I’m saying. Even though I’m speaking a real language, no one there will understand my “tongue”. That does not mean or imply that no one else understands Lithuanian; just no one at that particular service.

In this sense, therefore, I am speaking only to God, since he understands all languages. To everyone at the service, even though I’m praying in the Spirit (as defined in my original post), to the people listening to me, I’m still speaking “mysteries” – i.e. even though I’m praying as I ought, no one understands me; no one has a clue what I’m saying as no one speaks my language.

When one looks at the original Greek, the verb which is usually translated as “understandeth/understands” is actually the verb “to hear” in the sense of to hear someone with understanding. The verb is not “to understand”. That part of the verse is more properly “no one hears [him] with understanding”, i.e. no one listening to him understands what he’s saying.

There is nothing in this passage that suggests modern tongues-speech nor is there anything that even remotely suggests that the speaker does not understand what he himself is saying. It is the listeners who do not understand, not the speaker – no matter how hard some people want the speaker to also not understand…….it just isn’t there.

I suppose it could be people conditioned in some cases, but it’s also just a reading of the text (and getting rid of the archaic ‘tongue’ for the more modern ‘language’).

“Putting words into Paul’s moth that he never said” I would argue is precisely what many tongues-speakers are doing. A reading into the text of things that are just not there.

“The notion that tongues has to always be an understandable language is a silly notion”

I think you’re partially right; it’s typically not understood by the listeners as they do not speak/understand the speaker’s language. Tongues may not be understandable to everyone hearing it, but at the very least, it has to be language, which modern tongues-speech is not. A good working definition of the modern phenomenon is non-cognitive non-language utterance.

“Also, I have provided absolutely true testimonies of people speaking in modern tongues languages they have never learned, and most of the time the language has been unknown to anyone, but once, even praying normally in tongues, the language changed to a language understood by a foreign visitor.”

These types of stories seem to abound in tongues-speaking circles, but unfortunately, they are all anecdotal at best. There are no documented cases of xenoglossy – anywhere. Thousands of examples of tongues-speech have been studied. Not one was ever found to be a real rational language, living or dead.

I should think that the tongues-speaker would, at the very least, want to know specifically what language s/he was supposedly speaking and would want to ask the person who heard him/her exactly what was said. Was it just a word, a phrase, a short monologue, what? Did the person’s tongues-speech switch over to the target language such that everyone listening could notice the switch, or was it just the one person who heard it in their language? Did that person hear the speaker physically speaking their language, or was it something that just sort of came into their head? Were these people living in the country where the language is spoken, or did it occur somewhere far removed (which would beg the question with some stories I’ve heard of how did a person from a remote part of the world come to be attending a Pentecostal/Charismatic service in the US?). I’m not doubting it could happen, but unfortunately, the specific details are recalled rather vaguely at best. Personally, this is an area I would love to see more study done on.

Interpretation and he did not say tranlation.

You say you speak in tongues but the Bible says that it was the ELEVEN who were given the SIGN GIFT of tongues.