The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

It says many of the saints. (Matthew 27:52-53) Curious it doesn't say all. I'm puzzled by this. I'm wondering if it has something to do with the harvest gathering or latter harvest ingathering ...

This is curious to me. Because apparently King David's body was not one that arose. (Acts 2:34)

Also, in Daniel 12:2 it says:

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I wonder why he doesn't say all? Does that mean there are some bodies that will not be awakened?

This was not the general resurrection of the saints. That will be in the future. Nothing more is mentioned about the few that were resurrected at that time, so it would be unwise to speculate.

Christ have His life specifically for His Church. Job was part of the Church or Christ didn't give His life for him

no such thing as limited atonement

brightfame52 said:

Job was part of the Church

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nope.

Matthew 16:

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


In vs 18, Jesus told Peter I will build my church. The words "I will build" are translated from the Greek word oikodomeō. In the text, the word oikodomeō is in the future tense. The use of the future tense indicates the contemplated or certain occurrence of an event which has not yet occurred.

brightfame52 said:

or Christ didn't give His life for him

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you are wrong on both counts.

Job was not a part of the church which the Lord Jesus Christ indicated in Matt 16:18 He would build (oikodomeō - future tense).

The Lord Jesus Christ did, in fact, give His life for Job.

Im afraid you wrong on that, dead wrong !

Yes Job was part of the Church. So was Abel, Moses, Abraham, David and so on !

The Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world .... all that is required is for people to come to God and receive LIFE.

The Holy Spirit is poured out upon ALL flesh ... He would have to instantly kill all sinners if their sins had not been put away.

More on the Accomplishments !

Jesus blood shed was in order to sanctify the people, those people he shed His blood for Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Those Jesus Christ died for, it ensures them, the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

He prays for this very blessing right here Jn 17:19,20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. [ see Heb 13:12]

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

This applies to all future believers, for Jesus says which shall believe !

Thats a promise that they shall believe, because of the sanctifying work of the Holy Ghost in them.

All this by the blood of Christ, what He accomplished !9

brightfame52 said:

Yes Job was part of the Church. So was Abel, Moses, Abraham, David and so on !

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Nope ... not true. You completely ignore the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. Again, I implore you to read your Bible ...

Matthew 16:

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build (Greek word oikodomeō) my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


In vs 18, Jesus told Peter I will build my church. The words "I will build" are translated from the Greek word oikodomeō. In the text, the word oikodomeō is in the future tense. The use of the future tense indicates the contemplated or certain occurrence of an event which has not yet occurred.


Also check out Hebrews 11:32-40:

32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy: ) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us ...



Also check out Hebrews 10:19-20

Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us ...


Born again believers ... those who come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ after Day of Pentecost (when the church was established) ... come to the Father by a new and living way. This new and living way was not available to believers who lived prior to Day of Pentecost.

Job, "Abel, Moses, Abraham, David and so on !" obtained a good report through faith. However, the some better thing was never realized by them. The some better thing is realized by the church ... the church which was established on Day of Pentecost ...


Please read your Bible with discernment and quit denying what is plainly laid out in Scripture.

It ensures belief of the Truth

The death of Christ, as i have shown from scripture, ensures sanctification fo those who He died Jn 17:17,19

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

So, Jesus death ensures the Sovereign sanctiying work of the Holy Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth.

2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Its absolutely impossible for anyone whom Christ died, not to believe the Truth as it is in Christ Jesus, for the Holy Ghost of His, is for certain to lead every blood sanctified soul into the Truth Jn 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:

So all those God wills to be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth as per 1 Tim 2:4

4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They will sooner or later be subjects of the Sovereign Sanctifying work of the Spirit unto belief of the Truth.

This is a accomplishment of the Atonement of Christ.

Redemption from all iniquity !

Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify [cleanse see Eph 5:26] unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The Atonement of Christ has been successful, and has accomplished that what God intended.

It was for redemption from all iniquity [ to include unbelief] and purification from all sin and unrighteousness. For that was the Divine Purpose for which Christ gave Himself for His People [ church], in order that they should be Holy and blameless before God in Love, unto which cause God chose and predestinated them, that they should be conformed to the Holy Image of His Son, hence it was not possible for not one sin to be committed, which was outside of the counsel and purpose of God, and for which Christ did not give Himself for as an Offering, and make a full and perfect Atonement.12

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The healing [ Spiritually] is the sure effect and benefit of His stripes [ or atonement], and His death in His own body on the Tree for sins of His church, His elect, His sheep, without fail secures and ensures their death to sin, and their being made alive to righteousness, even the righteousness of Faith.

Many today really do not understand the power of Christ death and it's accomplishments.

multiple negation ... makes no sense ...

Post 52, you dont believe it right ?

Scripture does not personally name every saint who lived from creation until Christ was crucified, scripture only tells us "the saints". This includes every human who lived during that time and asked to be forgiven through faith in their God.
and through the giving of blood on the altar that was the shadow of Christ. Daniel is only repeating scripture that tells us that unforgiven sin kills.

All scripture is of God, all scripture agrees with all other scripture.

Peter tells us that David had not ascended to heaven yet. So, he wasn't among the saints that rose up at that time. Acts 2:34.

Purpose and accomplishment of Christ death

2 Cor 5:15

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

Paul here in this context gives us another purpose and accomplishment of Christ death for sinners.

He died for all [ the called or chosen or church] that [in order that] they which live [ spiritually] should henceforth [ no longer, no more] live unto themselves, but [ nevertheless , rather] unto Him which died for them, and rose again.

So the very death of Christ, produces in them He died for, a life of self sacrifice, and living unto Him, the crucified life.

This is why Paul boasted in the power of the cross in his own life writing Gal 6:14

14But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

The cross effects each life of those Christ died for to one degree or another, but it produces results, it bears fruit. Jn 12:2414

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

I used scripture in post 52, did you see it ? Please tell me what it is !