How We Can Tell If We Possess The Agape of God

I'm still referring to Mathew 24 . Its plain as day that its referring to the tribulation. You will never read anything like this to the body of christ ' endure to the end to be saved ' . Not once .

Rom 8
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall TRIBULATION, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37¶Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38For I am persuaded, that NEITHER DEATH NOR LIFE , nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things PRESENT NOR THINGS TO COME ,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

" oh ,but it doesn't say WE can't separate ourselves " . Yes that right it doesn't.

You have to question ,why your so passionate about it ? Its not out of love is it ? lol . Most people who hold to works salvation are most angry people you can meet .

Matt 24 is about the end times, and speaks about enduring to the end of tribulation to have yur physical life saved, has nothing to do with eternal salvation

however, how can we tell?

we become christlike

so when you going to become more christlike and not more pharisee like?

also among the most self-righteous, second only perhaps to moral atheists.

well, you're wrong because you pretend the noun form of a verb is not the same meaning as the verb.

so, with that in mind, knowing that you will not listen to reason, let me show you something anyway that i've already shown you and you already rejected ((because you aren't actually interested in the truth, no matter how well you pretend and puff)):

you say the verb is wildly different than the noun.
Christ commands us to carry out the verb.
Christ pretty clearly indicates they are exactly the same thing.

so. i guess you are smarter than God, huh.

((that is, if you are correct, but you're not -- you only make this argument in order to threaten Christians with loss of salvation, so as to make God evil, giving merely temporary illusion of life and lying by calling it eternal))

at any rate what's commanded is agapao, the verb, the thing you say only non-believers have.
weird huh.

isn't it ironic how a guy who preaches a false works-salvation rejects every instance of the verb-form of love, the actual 'doing' of love, as being genuine?

so you admit that love is love, but you say to actually love someone isn't anywhere near as true as merely 'having love' for them?

i feel like you're telling us to strive to do no works.

wow man did you even read your references?


in 2 Kings 4:34 the cold, dead boy, representing you is brought to life, waxing warm, by the prophet, representing Christ - not in any way whatsoever by his own works or merit! he's dead! pure mercy! he didn't warm himself up and he didn't stay dead owing to his coldness!
in Revelation 3:16 Christ desires that they be either cold or hot, rather than lukewarm. here being cold is good !


dude.
these are the kinds of verses you don't want to bring up when your thesis is the damnation of believers.
friendly advice: it will suit your case better to think more clearly about your arguments before you post them. you look silly refuting yourself; that's the point where you backspace or hit the little 'delete draft' button and reconsider what in the world you're doing.

endurance is endurance in faith. not endurance in works.

Take up Your Cross

36 A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ 37 Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; 38 and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.…


"of his own household" -- of his own self, mind, life, and heart ? . ? .

What middle?

According to Psalms 50:5 KJV, a "saint" is anyone who makes a covenant with God by sacrifice. That means the New Covenant Christian who takes up "his cross daily" and follows Jesus, according to Luke 9:23 KJV. The "wheat" is what is gathered to God in the end - the saints. The "tares" are burned in the fire - sinners and hypocrites.
If "lukewarm" is unacceptable to God, how much more unacceptable is "cold"?
To what lengths is the OSAS crowd willing to go? When Jesus "spews" people out of His mouth and tells them they're "blind" and "naked", the symbolism is unmistakable: rejection, lacking the robe of His righteousness, no spiritual discernment, etc. He promises to take the candlestick away from those in Ephesus for failing to rediscover their "first love", but the Laodiceans are in no trouble, when THEY GET THE ABSOLUTE WORST GRADES OF THE ENTIRE 7 CHURCHES FINAL EXAM?
Context Context Context, please!!! "Love never fails" doesn't mean it can't turn cold and render the one in whom it is cold rejected by God -- it means it never fails to suffer long, be kind, abstain from envy, boasting, pride, etc., and all the other stuff mentioned contextually in the passage to which you refer.

Again, if "lukewarm" is cause for Christ's rejection, how much more is "cold"?

If the fate of the "many" whose agape turns cold is the same as the fate of those who "endure to the end" - salvation - the verse makes no sense at all. Jesus should have simply said, "Look, folks, iniquity's gonna abound and the agape of many of you is gonna grow cold." PERIOD. But, He deliberately contrasts the two groups, those who "endure to the end" and are saved with those whose iniquity turns cold (and dead) and are lost, like the lukewarm crowd that fails to buy the gold, white robe, and eyesalve of Christ.

I would stop saying it if you OSAS LICENSE TO SIN PSUEDO-CHRISTIANS WOULD FIND JUST ONE VERSE THAT SAYS THE WICKED POSSESS OR PRACTICE "AGAPE" so until you all do, I'll keep saying it and there ain't a thing you can say Scripturally against it - have mercy, what does it take for you guys to condemn something other than a Christian who tells you the truth?
You don't know a thing about me, but I know what you've stated publicly: that breaking the Ten Commandments does not result in the Lake of Fire for those who do, but John says those who believe and practice religion as you do are liars who have zero truth in them.
The OSAS definition of "love" is "God will forgive me so I'll just keep doing it", which is "presumptuous sins" which David said those who practice that will be found guilty of the "Great Transgression".

If you love God will you have other gods before Him? Worship images? Blaspheme? Of course not. Jesus said if we love Him, we'll keep His commandments, the same ones He spoke at Sinai and called "My Law".
But, you refuse to keep the seventh day Sabbath - and on this your "love" stands exposed for what it really is: empty words.

Still waiting for you to retract that idea about the wicked being able to partake of agape - which means "Godly love", right?

So, our love for one another is greater than our love for God? SMH

There's no such thing as a pre tribulation rapture that leaves people "left behind" because 2 Peter 3:10 KJV plainly says the day when Lord Jesus comes "as a thief' - the same day Paul says will not "overtake" us as it will thieves in 1 Thessalonians 5:4 KJV - there won't be 7 more minutes of anything, let alone 7 more years.

Says it in so many other places, doesn't it?

Paul says if we fall away after having being made partakers of the Holy Ghost, it will be impossible for us to repent.

Peter says if we again become entangled with that from which we've escaped, the latter end will be worse than the beginning.

See what I did there? I showed you how we have to take the whole Bible together when formulating doctrine, not just the parts we like

posthuman just schooled you in language, even better than i did a while back.

you can ignore that, but we all see it.