Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

John 17:20-26 is very important because it gives Jesus' motivation for teaching

It may be a language thing, but the clarity of most of your posts is like a muddy window pane.

22 is most important:

That they may be one, even as we are one

Ask more questions instead of arrogantly making it my fault my words go over your head

Claiming unity in Jesus name is not enough, one must also be born again, or they will be burned with the tares…

Matthew 13:30 KJV
[30] Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Ever read about humility?

cherry picking verses isn't fruitful. We are living in the time He spoke of in John 16 where Holy Spirit guides, speaks and shows all truth.

It can be on ongoing thing, yes. As I said, I know preachers that have been married more than once, even though the Bible says God hates divorce, and remarriage has also become acceptable where once it was considered sin. I'm not avocating for either, I'm asking if the church is being hypocritical on this subject.

His "motivation" was obedience, "I only do what I see the Father do", and elsewhere "I only say what I hear the Father say".
That is just one small clean swipe on the muddy window pane .
His life was the model given for us of how we are to live.

I have never really understood what people mean by born again...

They mostly seem to reject theosis, so I'm confused

True humility is a surrendered ego

The verses are him praying for us...

@shittim why is the only time Jesus prays for you and me boring to you?

What you posted intentionally replaces the text of 1 Corinthians 13:4-8. It starts out with the famous first two lines from v. 4, then goes off into human philosophy. Maybe you can fool someone a little more naive but I know exactly what you're up to.

I certainly think John 14:10 is awesome too, for it gives the state of one in the Spirit

Not my will but thou will be done

Hebrews 5:7 even Jesus surrendered

While some churches may be swapping conditional love for unconditional, The majority isn't the case. Some people can't distinguish between unconditional love & unconditional trust. There should never be unconditional trust in the church, with exception to the Godhead.

All may come to church, but not all are trusted to do as they say; for many say, but don't do.

What you don't understand is that the real manipulation is from the world that infiltrates the church to change its belief system & eventually its by-laws to take it over.

Just like the baker who was sued for not selling a wedding cake to a homosexual couple, the church has to be on constant watch for those who would destroy its reputation, painting the church as too rigid & one-sided, when in fact they are to be spiritually conservative & unbending in their standards of holiness.

Sowing sympathy for sinners who refuse to repent isn't unconditional love. That's just the sin of compromise trying to get its ugly foot in the door of the church.

not an honest question, a mistaken supposition.

Born again is tied to believing in Christ's death and resurrection for our salvation and results in being given a new nature desirous of God, it is freely given upon faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus for our sins. Here are a few passages that may help.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 (NASB) Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.


John 3:3-7 (NASB) Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

Here is where it ties into His death and resurrection...

John 3:14-15 (NASB) "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

Here is where it is promised long ago...

Jeremiah 31:33-34 (NASB) "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. "They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Misc...

1 Peter 1:23 (KJV) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

You have suggested you are sleepy because I have said Jesus asking for what he wants for his sacrifice is his motivation...

What you replied with is a suggestion about this oneness... but you find that out when it hapoens so it is less important on the way