Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

and I agreed with your post many posts ago if you remember. Yes, sexual are harder to overcome and even harder if you continue to identify with the sin instead of Christ. Yes, Jesus takes us just as we are but HE changes us. I'm sorry you don't see a lot being preached here what I do see are gay activists trolling the site. the guy is forty years old not 15 or 25.

This is what makes them mad (or glad?) when the see words like this they go crazy and attack, they can’t believe their ears. They forget david and bathseba and her husband (adultry and murder) they forget paul and Peter, and abraham, and all these sinners who are called by God as his children

of course we have to remember too, these people did confess and they did admit their sin before God, they did not go out and spit in Gods face and say I do not care what you think agod I am gonna live my life as I please (licentiousness) and they sought help

the pharisee attitude will live in every age I believe, it’s sad

I can, I grew up in that church, it affected my christian life and made me hate the church, I left god and the church for 5 years and still have anger for the legalism that almost destroyed me

its what gives me the passion to fight hard against it,

Yes it does. If you're living like the devil, hating other people (which is apparent from your messages), enjoy living for the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, the pride of life, the things of the world, you're not saved, you've been given over to a reprobate mind, a depraved mind, and you're in league with Satan. Saying a "sinners prayer" once in your life and pretending you've repented won't save you because you're on the same broad way you were always on.

This is what makes them mad (or glad?) when the see words like this they go crazy and attack, they can’t believe their ears. They forget david and bathseba and her husband (adultry and murder) they forget paul and Peter, and abraham, and all these sinners who are called by God as his children

of course we have to remember too, these people did confess and they did admit their sin before God, they did not go out and spit in Gods face and say I do not care what you think agod I am gonna live my life as I please (licentiousness) and they sought help

the pharisee attitude will live in every age I believe, it’s sad

I too have had the same experience with family members who were married and suffered from homosexuality. it was not he was gay, but two of his uncles sexually abused him at a very young age. He was married with two children and a JW's minister. He divorced his wife and went full into the gay lifestyle and was one of the first 100 to contract HIV in the early setting of SF. No one would even go see him( mother or Father) they were afraid because no one really knew at this time how it was contracted.

I led him to Christ before he died. He died alone no mirrors in his room and no one telling him what was going on. all nurses were dressed in PPE and he had no answers. at that moment he asked me, " how do I look"? I told him the truth, it was one of the hardest things to do at that time. Doug, you look like the man who is about to die. He said, " I thought so, but no one will tell me" .

I told him of Jesus and how HE can take away the fear and forgive him and save him if he would ask him to do so. He said "that seems pretty simple", yes it is. Doug breathed his last BREATH ON THIS SIDE and his first eternal breath on the other side.


When I where those like mark tell us how unloving we are when I and many of us were in SF and Oakland at hospitals trying to reach these dying gay men in such a reckless way to tell me what I need to do today when I have SEEN MANY OVER THE YEARS and today come out of sexual addiction, and sexual idolatry, perversion, drunkness, ADULTERY, AS I TOO WAS saved by the Lord and set free think they hAVE more understanding then I or others is nothing but pride.

Just like COVID-19 I and many others did not stay home and pray for people only, we went to them. Loved them by demonstrating it.

Im wondering what makes these guys so blind? I came in here hoping to discuss a few topics, like hell, and I get this garbage spewing like foam out of the mouths of wild wolves in sheeps clothing. hahah, I like that lol.

I dont know if they are saved or not, not my place to judge that, but I can tell you one thing for a fact, they are very, very angry, and that my friend, is them living in sin big time. Not that I care they are living in sin, thats their problem

The way I see it, sin has at least two components to it. U know how people say all sin is equal, yet we also know some sins are worse?
thats because they all have an equal effect on our inability to have a sinless relationship with God. But now that Jesus has paid the price, that part no longer matters.
But the other component, is why and how sin affects us in our fleshly lives. Like, if I kill someone, how much heartaches that causes others, vs if I steal a candy bar, (yea, jerry in boston, I have stolen candy, am I going to hell now?) it has much less affect.

So, because we are admonished to LOVE now, and not , "thou shalt not", it puts our focus on the right direction, and by doing that, sin naturally decreases.

These guys focus on sin is addressed by Paul, when he says focusing on the law causes us to sin more

NOW, about that hell topic. lol, I dont believe God sends people to hell. What u think?

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actually it proves my point. By your own question. You have condemned these people. Who commited these sins you keep harping on

Like I said. You may not like my answer. But my answer proves a point.

yeah I have answered your questions

You may not like the way I answered them But I answered them

Wake up my friend and stop trying to be the victim

so what sin is it?

And what makes that sin worse than a child of God whose bessetting sin happens to be struggling with drinking? Or a person who is struggling with sex addiction. be it homo or hetero?

You actually don't make sense. Not at all. But, fine by me, go on thinking you do.

Your legalism has blinded you.

I asked you if WHILE a prodigal son. BEFORE i came back, I was a true believer.

because according to what you say, while I was committing those sin. I could not be saved.

So which is it man.

as for taking the mote out of your eye. Talk about pride..

Hypergrace?

I do not believe anyone is saved just because they said a sinners prayer. True faith is what saves us

So you sirt. do not even know the person your talking to. Settle down. Stop being offended. Take my constructive criticism as a brother trying to help a brother. And listen to what is being said.

Why are you so interested? I don't celebrate sin like those in the hyper-grace movement.

Your legalism has blinded you.

I asked you if WHILE a prodigal son. BEFORE i came back, I was a true believer.

because according to what you say, while I was committing those sin. I could not be saved.

So which is it man.

as for taking the mote out of your eye. Talk about pride..

Hypergrace?

I do not believe anyone is saved just because they said a sinners prayer. True faith is what saves us

So you sirt. do not even know the person your talking to. Settle down. Stop being offended. Take my constructive criticism as a brother trying to help a brother. And listen to what is being said.

God also attributed it to Abraham as being rightous because he BELIEVED, not because he obeyed. And Jesus says "belieive in me", not "obey my commands" and you will be saved.

Its a pity, these guys, its us who have to go and try to clean up and repair the mess and destruction they make.
When secular people want to criticize the church, these guys give them plenty of ammunition.

Why are you so interested? I don't celebrate sin like those in the hyper-grace movement.

But dont forget, Jesus instructs us to love our enemies too. Thats the ONE BIG lesson those guys dont understand, so dont you fall for it too. Remember, EVERYTHING that happened to you happened for a reason in Gods plan for you. It eventually led you to the truth and saving grace of God. So be thankful, not angry. Give the anger to God, he will deal with them ever so more harshly than you can, if He even does at all.

Dont forget, their sins have been forgiven too. Dont get me wrong though, we still have to put on the breastplate of truth and battle their words of lies.

so, r u saying Im not saved cuz I sin, or because I havent said a genuine sinners prayer? hahhaha, in a formal debate you would be a piece of fried chicken and I would be gobbling you up with mashed potatoes and gravy.

Ive been going to a prison ministry church, and for the most part, people there arent overly judgemental. But I see the Pharisees are alive and well after all. LOL,

YOU = pharisee
what a waste, dont u c that your judgemental legalism doesnt help anyone? Does it make you feel morally and religously superiorer?

Im wondering what makes these guys so blind? I came in here hoping to discuss a few topics, like hell, and I get this garbage spewing like foam out of the mouths of wild wolves in sheeps clothing. hahah, I like that lol.

I dont know if they are saved or not, not my place to judge that, but I can tell you one thing for a fact, they are very, very angry, and that my friend, is them living in sin big time. Not that I care they are living in sin, thats their problem

The way I see it, sin has at least two components to it. U know how people say all sin is equal, yet we also know some sins are worse?
thats because they all have an equal effect on our inability to have a sinless relationship with God. But now that Jesus has paid the price, that part no longer matters.
But the other component, is why and how sin affects us in our fleshly lives. Like, if I kill someone, how much heartaches that causes others, vs if I steal a candy bar, (yea, jerry in boston, I have stolen candy, am I going to hell now?) it has much less affect.

So, because we are admonished to LOVE now, and not , "thou shalt not", it puts our focus on the right direction, and by doing that, sin naturally decreases.

These guys focus on sin is addressed by Paul, when he says focusing on the law causes us to sin more

NOW, about that hell topic. lol, I dont believe God sends people to hell. What u think?

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God does not think like you. His judgement is very simple. Is the person before His throne alive or dead? If he is alive, he is already seated together with Christ in heavenly places. If not, he will suffer the second death. There is no second chance. Would you welcome a dead body into your home? Why should God? He rejects those who reject His mercy, grace and love in this life. There is no greater insult to God's love than to reject Lord Jesus. God is love, but He is also pure, holy and righteous. Those who imagine that God will let them off the hook will be greatly disappointed. Those who tell them that God won't judge them are complicit in that person's demise. That's not a fun place to be either.