Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

<<<The half Week of Messiah's ministry can still be viewed as the 70th Week. The covenant for the 70th Week can therefore still be a 3.5 years period and not a complete 7 years.>>>

That's crazy talk right there my friend......

Okay, so you are thinking that "the people" IS (or is not) connected with the [next word, pretty much...]... H7843 (verb):

"The KJV translates Strong's H7843 in the following manner: destroy (96x), corrupt (22x), mar (7x), destroyer (3x), corrupters (2x), waster (2x), spoilers (2x), battered (1x), corruptly (1x), miscellaneous (11x)."
[--BLB]

1. to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay
   1. (Niphal) to be marred, be spoiled, be corrupted, be corrupt, be injured, be ruined, be rotted
   2. (Piel)
      1. to spoil, ruin
      2. to pervert, corrupt, deal corruptly (morally)
   3. (Hiphil)
      1. to spoil, ruin, destroy
      2. to pervert, corrupt (morally)
      3. destroyer (participle)
   4. (Hophal) spoiled, ruined (participle)

--BlueLetterBible, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7843/kjv/wlc/0-1/

Brother I already explained this to you

Prophecy is a predicting things that WILL happen.

If you do not agree. this is fine. But it is my argument, to say it is not a valid argument is just baseless.

Deuteronomy 18:22

when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

God tells us it is through his prophecies he proves he is the one true God. If what he says does not come true. The purpose of his prophesy is destroyed

<<<The half Week of Messiah's ministry can still be viewed as the 70th Week. The covenant for the 70th Week can therefore still be a 3.5 years period and not a complete 7 years.>>>

That's crazy talk right there my friend......

Where are you answering the point that this is the Abrahamic covenant being talked about in Dan 9 (not just the Mosaic Covenant)?

Where are you answering the point that the 70th Week can be a half Week and still be called "the 70th Week?"

and yet, you say you've answered my points. You suggest that it is all summed up in the idea that "prophecy" is future. So when prophecy is fulfilled, it cannot be fulfilled because it can only be "future?"

You're not thinking things through, brother, with all due respect. In two weeks I'm going to get a delivery. I get the delivery in a week and a half. In which week did I get my delivery, in the 1st week or in the 2nd week? Did it still require 2 weeks to get my delivery? Yes. The 2nd weeks was required, even though it wasn't a full week.

In 70 Weeks sin will get atoned for and everlasting righteousness will be ushered in. After 69 Weeks Jesus came and ministered for half of the 70th Week. In which Week was sin atoned for and everlasting righteousness ushered in? In the 70th Week? Yes.

Was the 70 Weeks prophecy fulfilled in 70 Weeks? Yes. Not crazy talk. You just aren't thinking it through.

The 70 Weeks Prophecy was fulfilled at the cutting off of Christ. The clean up operation was the destruction of the city and the sanctuary in 70 AD. The 70th Week was completed in the termination of offering in the midst of Christ's ministry, which confirmed God's covenant with Israel. That's just the way God seemed to portray it. The Half Week suggests the incompleteness of this Prophecy, with respect to the salvation of Israel. It does not suggest either a 7 year covenant or a future 3.5 year Great Tribulation period.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

1 week = 7 years



“Seventy [e]weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city,

please tell me whan Jesus confirmed any covenant for 1 week with many, and show it from scripture please

You're not thinking things through, brother, with all due respect. In two weeks I'm going to get a delivery. I get the delivery in a week and a half. In which week did I get my delivery, in the 1st week or in the 2nd week? Did it still require 2 weeks to get my delivery? Yes. The 2nd weeks was required, even though it wasn't a full week.

In 70 Weeks sin will get atoned for and everlasting righteousness will be ushered in. After 69 Weeks Jesus came and ministered for half of the 70th Week. In which Week was sin atoned for and everlasting righteousness ushered in? In the 70th Week? Yes.

Was the 70 Weeks prophecy fulfilled in 70 Weeks? Yes. Not crazy talk. You just aren't thinking it through.

The 70 Weeks Prophecy was fulfilled at the cutting off of Christ. The clean up operation was the destruction of the city and the sanctuary in 70 AD. The 70th Week was completed in the termination of offering in the midst of Christ's ministry, which confirmed God's covenant with Israel. That's just the way God seemed to portray it. The Half Week suggests the incompleteness of this Prophecy, with respect to the salvation of Israel. It does not suggest either a 7 year covenant or a future 3.5 year Great Tribulation period.

And, yet no context is given.

So you have not seen all the anti rapture threads here?

ammils don’t, they reject that a rapture will happen

But, what historicist made the no-rapture claim?

Okay, so you are thinking that "the people" IS (or is not) connected with the [next word, pretty much...]... H7843 (verb):

"The KJV translates Strong's H7843 in the following manner: destroy (96x), corrupt (22x), mar (7x), destroyer (3x), corrupters (2x), waster (2x), spoilers (2x), battered (1x), corruptly (1x), miscellaneous (11x)."
[--BLB]

1. to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay
   1. (Niphal) to be marred, be spoiled, be corrupted, be corrupt, be injured, be ruined, be rotted
   2. (Piel)
      1. to spoil, ruin
      2. to pervert, corrupt, deal corruptly (morally)
   3. (Hiphil)
      1. to spoil, ruin, destroy
      2. to pervert, corrupt (morally)
      3. destroyer (participle)
   4. (Hophal) spoiled, ruined (participle)

--BlueLetterBible, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h7843/kjv/wlc/0-1/

Not necessarily, CV5...

For example, let's say I said, "It's going to take me a month - 30 days - to move into my new home", and then I began listing all the things I needed to do to complete the move in that established time-frame:

- From the time I close until I can actually walk in with keys will be 7 days..

- And then in 2 weeks I'll get my furniture moved over..

- After the 2 weeks I'll be able to cut off my utilities at my old home and then get those accounts transferred over...

- Then I'll make it official for the 1 week with a housewarming party.

- Inside that week I'll be finished with traveling to and from my old apartment.

It doesn't necessarily mean I'll have a 1-week long housewarming party OR that my move will only be official for just 1 week. Rather, in the week that remains I'll make it official and have a housewarming party.

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The context of how to read the list of events (given to Jerusalem and Daniel's people) is given in the opening passage of Daniel 9:24 (i.e. "70 'sevens' are determined to do the following stuff...").

Each event will be accomplished at certain moments within the 70 "sevens" time-frame. But it doesn't necessarily mean each event will take as long as described or only last that length of time...especially if it's the very last event to happen in the list. But it's definitely pointing out WHEN those things will happen within that time-frame.

Not necessarily, CV5...

For example, let's say I said, "It's going to take me a month - 30 days - to move into my new home", and then I began listing all the things I needed to do to complete the move in that established time-frame:

- From the time I close until I can actually walk in with keys will be 7 days..

- And then in 2 weeks I'll get my furniture moved over..

- After the 2 weeks I'll be able to cut off my utilities at my old home and then get those accounts transferred over...

- Then I'll make it official for the 1 week with a housewarming party.

- Inside that week I'll be finished with traveling to and from my old apartment.

It doesn't necessarily mean I'll have a 1-week long housewarming party OR that my move will only be official for just 1 week. Rather, in the week that remains I'll make it official and have a housewarming party.

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The context of how to read the list of events (given to Jerusalem and Daniel's people) is given in the opening passage of Daniel 9:24 (i.e. "70 'sevens' are determined to do the following stuff...").

Each event will be accomplished at certain moments within the 70 "sevens" time-frame. But it doesn't necessarily mean each event will take as long as described or only last that length of time...especially if it's the very last event to happen in the list. But it's definitely pointing out WHEN those things will happen within that time-frame.

I did, the answer is no, the context is Lev 26, I told you this already, and I showed you daniels prayer and the passage in Lev 26 he was discussing,


I answered this along time ago, it is cut in half, when the abomination of desolation is place in the wing of the temple rendering it desolate, and mentioned by Jesus in matt 24



1.I answered your questions multiple times, please learn to read
2. prophecy can be seen as fulfilled or yet future, Jesus fulfilled many OT prophecies, they are fulfilled, many he has not yet fulfilled they are yet future

if you can not show something literally came true, then it is still future.

I have told you this also many times. Why you keep insisting I have not answered or said things is beyond me

Come on man.......you've got the entire book of Revelation to contend with. Written somewhere around 95 A.D.

When God says 7 years he means seven years, not 3.5 years.

we do not interpret scripture to fit our belief system,

we alone our belief system with what scripture says

The whole prophecy is very intriguing with its demarcation of time. There is an initial 49 year period, 7 weeks, and a final week, but it's curious that if we put it in the mirror, interesting things happen also.

Decree goes out 521BC from Darius, his second year. In the first week the Temple is rebuilt, as in Darius' 6th year it is completed,
517BC. Likewise the last 49 years, 7 weeks. The last 7 weeks are 24AD to 73AD. John the Baptist began his ministry in 26AD, which of course is the point at which Jesus is introduced.

There are many things hidden in the prophecy.

Regarding the completion. The prophecy is book-ended by the 70 weeks needed to seal the prophecy, and to finish the rebellion.
The rebellion was finally quelled in AD73. The rest of the events happen with the time period.

No. It is the decree of Artaxerxes Longimanus of 445BC. Daniel 9:25 speaks to rebuilding Jerusalem (the city), the street and the wall. Rebuilding the Temple is not even spoken of.

Or, Artaxerxes in 457 BC... The rebuilding of the temple and the city were both implied in the original decree of Cyrus. The temple was rebuilt first, but the city remained unfinished.

Each successive king after Cyrus had to contend with Cyrus' original decree to rebuild both the temple and the city. Artaxerxes finished the job. He did make an official decree in 457 BC to restore worship at the temple, which was followed by the sanctioning of the city's rebuilding. Nehemiah had the walls of Jerusalem rebuilt during this time.

The 7 Weeks of Dan 9 corresponded with this time of Jerusalem's rebuilding. Then 62 Weeks followed until the 70th Week, when the Messiah would be cut off. In the midst of the 70th Week OT offerings ended. And after the 70 Weeks elapsed, the temple and the city would be destroyed once again by the Roman Army, the Abomination of Desolation.