Unconditional love and the church's approach to homosexuality

No, it doesn't. It means narrow.

G4728
στενός
stenos
Thayer Definition:
1) narrow, strait
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: probably from the base of G2476
Citing in TDNT: 7:604, 1077


Mat_19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

This word means difficult.

G1423
δυσκόλως
duskolōs
Thayer Definition:
1) with difficulty
Part of Speech: adverb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G1422

You forgot one thing

john said we can know we have eternal life

i can’t know I have it if It Can be lost. Again that would make it conditional life, not eternal

and as Jesus said, once a person comes to faith, they will never perish. They will never die

there is no hope in a gospel that is not secure in Christ,

He is not calvinist, he believes salvation can be lost.

listen to his words, not keywords sis don’t let him fool you

Actually it literally means narrow, cramped, close, a narrow strip

and it is difficult. look how hard it is for you to enter in that way

the hardest thing anyone can do is become bankrupt and admit nothing they can do in this lifetime will gain them salvation

thats why your workers based gospel is so prevalent and most worlds religions follow it

Did that, the word difficult was never found.

He seems to forget many here have access to all kinds of language books to readily investigate

God hates sin, if you don't know that you need to go back to Salvation 101 school. Good grief.

you deny John 3:16?

understanding that God gives us a choice does not mean He is not sovereign as you seem to understand it

would you make God out as some kind of monster who creates some for the pit of hell and smiles on others?

Your once repented always repented is absent of proper scriptures to validate such thinking.

What about...maintain until the end.

Keep the faith.

....fight the good fight.

Allow no man to cause you to loose your crowns.

....sacrifice for forgiveness is not available where sin is present.

Many, many others.

We can loose our born again status and loose the free eternal salvation offered to us.

I know that. But ask yourself if he applies the 'salvation can be lost' to himself

he asks about limited atonement

and then posts this in response to me

seems clear enough.

those are Calvinism expressions. "traditional" Calvinists actually do adhere to behavioral issues with regards to salvation

since he insists on playing hide and seek, the entire collection of his responses, for the most part, are geared to believing he has a superior belief and the rest of us are simply for his amusement

he is not fooling anyone if that is his aim...which I doubt

here is Jerry's response to what I said to him regarding him being a Calvinist

every single verse there, is on the hit parade of 'solid gold' proof texts for your Calvinist.

I'll refrain from that duck thing that goes 'if it walks like a duck' etc etc

by the way, Jerry, God says He created hell for the devil and his angels. He did not create it for human torches.

so, saying atonement is limited to only 'the elect' means your understanding of hell is not biblical

its' WHOSOEVER WILL

it is not God's overrides our will

that Calvin sure enough had a hankering to push people into the pit.

That's false:


Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Mat_5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Yes, Christ is the saviour, yes you're guaranteed salvation IF you follow his word.

I think the point I'm not making clearly here is that you can't just go and get baptised and then live the life of a Columbian drug Lord and expect to get to heaven because of John's promise.

To the average Christian whom gets baptised, reads the gospel, repents of their sins regularly and tries to make up for then with an open, honest and sorrowful heart you are indeed 100% correct. You can't lose that promise.

I'm talking about the belligerent, dishonest, Prideful person whom thinks they can use the promise of baptism to lead a life of doing whatever appeals to the flesh. AKA the false doctrine of Hypergrace.

no it is not.

“Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41


I wish some of you would learn to read instead of getting all excited and think you found some kind of reason to get your undies in a knot

no one said that no one goes to hell. God did not make hell for people though as Matthew plainly says and if you refuse Christ, you will join the devil there

oh would you look at the time...think I'll turn in

I'm sure ewq1938 will be happy to discuss that with you

pleasant dreams. I intend to have some.

There are three places called "hell". One of them is the lake of fire.


There are three Greek words translated "hell": Geenna, Hades, and Tartaroo.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


1067

1067 geenna {gheh'-en-nah}

of Hebrew origin 01516 and 02011; TDNT - 1:657,113; n f

AV - hell 9, hell fire + 3588 + 4442 3; 12

1) Hell is the place of the future punishment call "Gehenna" or
"Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom,
south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the
city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and
their future destruction.


This word is the type of hell that is the final punishment, known as the lake of fire in Revelation.




Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


86

86 hades {hah'-dace}

from 1 (as negative particle) and 1492; TDNT - 1:146,22; n pr loc

AV - hell 10, grave 1; 11

1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell

In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions,
a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common
receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of
the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place. TDNT.


This is not the same hell, but is where the unsaved dead dwell until the day of judgement. Its known as purgatory, death and the grave.

This "hell" is what is cast into and destroyed by the other "Hell" ie: the lake of fire:


Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.



2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5020

5020 tartaroo {tar-tar-o'-o}

from Tartaros (the deepest abyss of Hades);; v

AV - cast down to hell 1; 1

1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by
the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer
punishment for their evil deeds; it answers to Gehenna of the Jews
2) to thrust down to Tartarus, to hold captive in Tartarus


This is the third word and is a holding place for very evil souls. It is also known as the pit in Revelation where satan is held for 1000 years. It is a special place within Hades.

Hell is eventually thrown into the LoF. The LoF is what was prepared for the devil and his angels.

They really need to be distinguished from each other. They are not the same thing.
Don't forget Sheol The Bible also speaks of a place called the Abyss, or the pit.