Warning to Christians: Totally Refuse COVID Vaccines

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gb9

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Maby you should read my post again. I have never said it is safe and effective. It is a risk like everything. And even 65% protection is better then 0%.
Selfish is if somemone thinks i will not get it to 99,8%, what cares me the others.
What you call me thinkind satanic ?
Btw, again my question where you have the numbers 20000 death in europe because of vaccine?
so, in germany, the covid survival rate is about 97. 6%. currently, there are about 25.000 active cases out of 84 million people.

so, a 97% chance of not coming into contact with covid.

so, is it really being selfish to be not that concerned with something that has a at least a 97% chance of not coming into contact with?
 

Aidan1

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Here is proof from just one Dr. He explains very well what the spike protein is doing in your body as we speak. Maybe this will convince you and others not to take any more of these toxins in "boosters". Listen to what he says, and THEN form an opinion. This guy, and countless other Drs warning about the vaccine gain NOTHING by saying this. In fact, they face danger for stating this information:

https://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2021/07/13/horrifying-news-8-minutes/
Well, i saw the report. But it is not New.
I found a study from Oxford university which foud out that the risk to get CVT (sinus vain thrombosis) is after infected with Covid 19 39 per million;
after receiving biontic ore moderna vaccine it's 4,1 per million.
The risk to get a PVT ( Portal vein thrombosis) lays after Covid 19 Infektion 436,4 per million, after receiving mRNA vaccine its 44,9 per million.
Which risk is higher? To get Covid 19 ore to get the vaccine.
I know dont get both is the best.
But what guarantee you have dont to get Covid 19 over short or long?
 

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so, in germany, the covid survival rate is about 97. 6%. currently, there are about 25.000 active cases out of 84 million people.

so, a 97% chance of not coming into contact with covid.

so, is it really being selfish to be not that concerned with something that has a at least a 97% chance of not coming into contact with?
Aktuell we have 26065 activ cases.
3 750 503 people were infected
91573 people died
The number of people with healthdamages after Covid infection are not known.

So the 2,4% ( 2016000 people) are not worth to fight for?
This is no Christian way of thinking i suppose
Btw Corona will not leave us in the next years. So over short or long almost all have the risk to get it.
 

PennEd

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Well, i saw the report. But it is not New.
I found a study from Oxford university which foud out that the risk to get CVT (sinus vain thrombosis) is after infected with Covid 19 39 per million;
after receiving biontic ore moderna vaccine it's 4,1 per million.
The risk to get a PVT ( Portal vein thrombosis) lays after Covid 19 Infektion 436,4 per million, after receiving mRNA vaccine its 44,9 per million.
Which risk is higher? To get Covid 19 ore to get the vaccine.
I know dont get both is the best.
But what guarantee you have dont to get Covid 19 over short or long?
You missed the point of the Dr.

There is not only an initial danger of blood clots, but as the spike protein continues to multiply in people’s cells, the danger to the heart, brain, and lungs grow.

Here it is again in a different format:

Dr. Charles Hoffe issues Vaccine warning… Deep dive on endothelial damage to blood vessels…

 

PennEd

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The vaccine carnage marches on…

Jummai Nache: 47-year-old Minnesota woman gets both legs and hands amputated after severe Pfizer mRNA adverse reactions

https://thecovidblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Jummai-Nache-300x300.jpg


MINNEAPOLIS — A 47-year-old Christian missionary and Nigerian immigrant is now permanently disabled and receiving specious explanations from the medical establishment.

Mrs. Jummai Nache received her second experimental Pfizer mRNA injection on February 1, according to a lengthy GoFundMe summary. She returned to work and immediately experienced chest pains. The discomfort and pain persisted until February 6 when her husband, Mr. Philip Nache, took her to the emergency room.

Doctors performed an electrocardiogram (EKG), but said nothing was wrong with her heart. Despite being “fully vaccinated,” doctors diagnosed Mrs. Nache with COVID-19. Mr. Nache called the diagnosis “shocking” since his wife exhibited no symptoms prior to receiving the second experimental mRNA injection. The hospital discharged Mrs. Nache with orders to follow CDC guidelines for COVID-19.

Mrs. Nache returned to the emergency room on February 13 when her condition worsened. She was transferred to the University of Minnesota Medical Center for further observation. Doctors placed her on a ventilator after discovering fatally-low oxygen levels and blood pressure. Her heart was also “deteriorating.”

More diagnoses and amputations
Doctors told Mr. Nache that his wife could die at any moment. She was now battling arterial blood clots, ischemia and cardiomyopathy. Doctors removed the ventilator in due course. But Mrs. Nache required a bilateral transtibial amputation – both legs surgically removed below the knees.

https://thecovidblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Jummai-nache-amputations.png
 

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Siyabonga Africa: 35-year-old South African digital media strategist dead three days after first experimental Pfizer mRNA injection

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JOHANNESBURG — An influential 35-year-old digital media expert is dead in one of the fastest post-injection deaths we’ve covered in months.

Mr. Siyabonga Africa received his first dose of experimental Pfizer mRNA on Friday, July 16, according to his Twitter account. The first two comments on the tweet were a woman telling him “well done,” and another woman with party emojis.



He retweeted two pro-mRNA posts shortly thereafter. Two days later, Sunday, July 18, he retweeted a post about Fauci allegedly receiving his second dose of experimental mRNA on January 19. Fauci said he was “knocked out,” fatigued and achy for 24 hours thereafter. Mr. Africa wrote, “This is me with dose number 1. It’s been 48 hours of hell.” He collapsed in his home on the night he received the injection. But paramedics dismissed it as nothing. He was not hospitalized.



Mr. Africa encouraged another person to go get the mRNA injection that day as well.



He also retweeted a doctor that day who said she is here to comfort anyone having vaccine adverse effects. Mr. Africa replied, complaining of a fever, nausea and inability to move ever since he received the injection. But then he said, “No regrets, I’d still get the shot if I knew this is what I had to look forward too.”



Simone Gregor, his friend/colleague, wished him a speedy recovery. Ms. Gregor replied again on Monday, July 19 and asked “how are you feeling today?” When he didn’t respond, she tried sending him a message on WhatsApp. Ms. Gregor then received a message from one of Mr. Africa’s family members. He passed away early that morning.
 

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Jordan Hayes: 33-year-old New York man calls the non-vaccinated “idiots” and “morons,” dead 14 weeks after COVID-19 “vaccine”

https://thecovidblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Jordan-Hayes-224x300.png

NEW YORK — A 33-year-old New York husband and apparent dog lover is dead in another case of death after virtue signaling.

Mr. Jordan Hayes received his first dose of experimental mRNA on or around February 23, according to his Facebook page. It’s unclear which shot he received. But Pfizer and Moderna were the only two experimental injections available for emergency use in the United States at the time.

The since-deleted Facebook post appears to show a photo of a vaccine clinic. Mr. Hayes not only said that the non-vaccinated are failing society, but also called them “idiots” and “morons.” He emphasized that his message was being spoken “with all of my heart.”



Mr. Hayes apparently received his second mRNA injection on March 24. He celebrated being “[fully] vaccinated” and now being able to “kiss everyone on the lips again.”



Mr. Hayes went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai Hospital on or around July 1 complaining of chest pains. His health quickly deteriorated from there. Chest pains devolved into a heart attack that required two open heart surgeries. Mr. Hayes suffered multiple strokes during the surgeries. He passed away on July 6, according to a GoFundMe page. He is survived by his widow.

Mr. Hayes was a writer and dog lover. Several photos of himself with dogs are all that remain on his posthumously-edited or privatized Facebook page.
 

gb9

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Aktuell we have 26065 activ cases.
3 750 503 people were infected
91573 people died
The number of people with healthdamages after Covid infection are not known.

So the 2,4% ( 2016000 people) are not worth to fight for?
This is no Christian way of thinking i suppose
Btw Corona will not leave us in the next years. So over short or long almost all have the risk to get it.

ok, so a 96.8 % chance of not coming into contact with a covid positive person.

my point remains the same.

if you checked the weather, and it said " 80% chance of rain today", you would dress and prep for rain.

but, when you are told there is a 96.8% chance of not coming into a covid case, you say " ignore that and treat covid like the black plague"

logic, i guess...
 

PennEd

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We are running out of time.

If they are pushing THIS hard now for you to take the fatal injection, imagine how bad it’s going to be when tons of vaccinated get sick and many die, in the fall and winter? The drumbeat of blame towards the unvaccinated will be deafening.

We have to keep our ears attuned for unvaccinated strongholds to defend ourselves collectively.



Watch: Fauci, CNN, White House, Newsom, & Cuomo All Ratchet Up Attacks On Unvaccinated Americans

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/...mo-all-ratchet-attacks-unvaccinated-americans
 

Nehemiah6

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So the 2,4% ( 2016000 people) are not worth to fight for?
Aidan,
You would be better off to say no more since you have already embarrassed yourself trying to support the liars and the evildoers. You are relying on the same people to give you the correct data when they are MANIPULATING information daily. So you have to decide whether you are naive or clueless about what is really going on in this world. If this was the Mark of the Beast, you would be urging believers to take that mark. Think about that.
 

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One of our couples have a very sick one year old baby with covid19 delta. The baby caught the virus at day care. Thank God all of the family has had covid19 vaccines, and will able to care for the baby at home.
Poor baby. It's so hard when the really little ones are sick. I remember when my now 8year old was 5 months and had whooping cough. It was tough. Or the years my now 14year old struggled with sickness-induced asthma as a little child. Soooo many hospital trips. Thankfully, after whooping cough, his asthma pretty much went away.

Anyway, been praying for that little one.

Something I haven't been able to find an answer for: how do they differentiate between the alpha and delta variants?
 

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Aidan,
You would be better off to say no more since you have already embarrassed yourself trying to support the liars and the evildoers. You are relying on the same people to give you the correct data when they are MANIPULATING information daily. So you have to decide whether you are naive or clueless about what is really going on in this world. If this was the Mark of the Beast, you would be urging believers to take that mark. Think about that.
First thing: you follow worldly informationsgiver whose are known for their false reports and conspiracy theorys.
Second thing: it is for shure not the mark of the beast.
Third thing: i work in hospital and saw how people with Covid 19 suffer to getting breath.
One nurse from my team has several pre desesaes, after 8 month getting Covid 19 she is still not able to work.
Fourth thing: your claimes about the Corona vaccine are based on speculation and not on any proofs.
You cant make me worry. So far I know from your posts in the bible discussion thread I know we both serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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I saw that tweet by the nurse in a news article. Honestly, it sounds like a big scare tactic.

Where is the line in what we allow the government to put into our bodies? If you say they have the God-given right to make us take a vaccine, then what happens when the Mark of the Beast comes and they demand we "obey" and take it? How many people will be conditioned that we HAVE to take it because we HAD to take all the stuff before it? How many Christians will feel guilted into taking the Mark of the Beast because they were preached at to obey the governmental authorities?

I have a friend who, years ago, had a bunch of vaccines so she could travel to Africa. She told me she didn't get sick from a cold or flu or NADA for about 6 years after all the inoculations. However, she now suffers from autoimmune disorders and is allergic to so many foods, it's ridiculous.

So, sure. You might feel great now. Perhaps the vaccine helped you get over that cold your grandson gave you. But you might be worse off in, say, 5+ years. Nobody knows the long-term effects from this vaccine. We each need to look at what Yahweh is telling us to do and follow accordingly and not just trust the government willy-nilly with our health.
I'm glad you didn't have any immediate negative affects from the vaccine. Praying you wont' have long term issues down the line.
If you had read my posts, I have said over and over that NO ONE should be forced to take this vaccine. So, please no more hearsay about me, that is false. I'm Canadian, but I value free speech and control over our own bodies (except where abortion is concerned, because a baby is not part of our body, but it's own person from conception).

My point is that no one should be shamed and humiliated because they took the vaccine, not once, but twice. Esp., we should not be scolded and threatened that we will lose our salvation if we get a vaccine. Show me the book, chapter and verse where the Bible says that! No one can lose their salvation in the first place, but if somehow we could lose it, we would never lose our salvation over a science/medicine disagreement! When people say that, I recognize immediately that they don't read their Bible daily, or maybe not at all. They also have very wrong doctrines they believe.

Further, we still have the right to choose the vaccine or not. If we decide to get the vaccine, it is not the gov't putting the vaccine in our bodies. When we choose to get vaccinated that is not on the gov't but ourselves! There is no need to have this fear of the gov't & the paranoia that shows up in this forum!

I don't regret getting my vaccines, I had to push myself to do them, so glad I did. As for giving people autoimmune disease, I agree it is a possibility, I won't lie, I had allergy shots for bad allergies In the 1990's that were damaging my lungs. I took them twice a week, for 7 years. It helped my allergies go down, and now I have no environmental allergies. But, late in the 7 years I was taking allergy shots, is when I developed severe and painful Rheumatoid Arthritis. I have multiple AI diseases, I believe allergy shots turned my immune system upside down, plus I also had Post partum hormones during that time.

As for living another 5 years, no one knows how long any of us will live. We could have an accident, in our cars, no fault of ours. We could get many diseases like cancer or heart disease or diabetes and die from those disease. We could die in our sleep. I have so many physical things wrong with me, I literally could die any day. So, I'm trusting God completely, and he had helped me in so many ways. On top of it, the needles I inject to stop RA are cancer drugs, which suppress the immune system and can give you cancer. Yet, the latest stats in longevity show people who take these medications will live 5 to 10 years longer than people not on meds. To say nothing of standard of life! RA is extremely painful. Without meds, you can end up bed ridden, which has happened to me a few times. God gave me a good husband to lift me into my wheelchair and take me too the toilet and then back too my bed , again!

So I get it! But after seeing so many people die or almost die of COVID, and the bad damage in my lungs (scarring from pneumonias, fluid in the bottom of lungs- which cleared up from not getting any colds turning into pneumonia), and Rheumatoid Lung Disease. I would never survive COVID based on my lungs, let alone my damaged heart, which RA and prednisone attacked!

Finally, I don't believe in Dispensationalism, or that Revelation should be interpreted literally. The genre is apocalyptic which has totally different standards & devices in text, which shows the early church knew should not be interpreted literally. So, throw out the Mark of the Beast, the Rapture appears no where in Scripture. (don't try to prove harpazo in 1 Thess. 4:17 means rapture, because I read Greek well, and have read the Bible in Geek a few times, and the word "rapture" is not there. But I digress.

I appreciate your kindness in describing to me your doctrinal views, but I hope you will get a book on the 4 end times doctrines, which overlap one another, and also are polar opposites in some places. I'm Amillennial, and a partial Preterist & have always been, that is what the Bible says for me! But, that doesn't mean we have to tear the other person apart. If you read a few books on the other views, you might decide that you still believe the Bible supports Dispensationalism, and that is a choice you are free to make. End times (or eschatology!) is always a difficult topic. We need to look at all the 4 eschatological views, look up verses to be sure of the context, I think most scholars would say no one can know what happens in the end, so we are waiting for Jesus to unveil his whole story. Again, we should be free to study, reason, research, this doctrine, come to our own conclusions, and not be harassed or screamed at because another person thinks you are wrong. I had someone in this. forum, few years back tell me I wasn't saved because I was Amillennial. Only Dispensationalists are saved, according to this person. Wrong! Eschatology never saved anyone. And the person who said that was very angry and unrepentant, not open to studying all the sides, as I said.

Anyway, sorry for the long post!
Angela, I never claimed you said the vaccine should be forced. I only asked where the line is? What do we do when the government tells us to do something and we've been so conditioned to obey without question that we put aside our convictions? That's what this vaccine is doing: conditioning us to obey without question.

I have not shamed anyone for taking the vaccine. My mother, step-dad, sister, brother, niece, grandmother, and aunts have all taken the vaccine. I, personally, am against it and am a little worried about my extended family but it was their decisions and I'm not lambasting them for it.

I also do NOT believe taking this vaccine dooms someone to hell, so don't lump me in with those that spout that nonsense. I DO believe, especially with many of the recent comments from the US government*, that it won't be long before the vaccine is mandated. When that happens, we will have to choose whether to "obey" the government or not.

I think the vaccine is the beginning of a slippery slope to desensitize people so when the Mark DOES come, they'll take it without thought. But, again, it isn't something a person will lose salvation over.

Scripture does, I believe, warn us about the nations being deceived by sorceries (Revelation 18:23) or, as the Greek calls it "pharmakeia" aka "the use or administering of drugs" and/or "poisons". Looking at that scripture and seeing how all the nations of the world are currently falling for a sickness that has a 98% recovery rate...well, it seems we're all currently being deceived by pharmakeia.

I also didn't say or insinuate that you would die in 5 years from the vaccine. I've heard talk about that idea...that those that take the jab will die in a few years. I honestly have no idea how that would work. It sounds pretty far-fetched to me.
No, I was just saying that in 5 years you may notice your immune system faltering because of the vaccine and the upcoming yearly "boosters". But you seem to have experienced that sort of thing already so it sounds like you know what you were signing up for.

Honestly, I have NO idea what Dispensationalism, Amillennial, Preterist or any of that jargon means. I read the Bible and follow what Christ said. I understand some of the Bible is literal, some figurative, some poetry. I believe much of Revelation is literal and that, just as Egypt had to go through physical plagues, it will happen again as John shared in his Revelation.
If you believe Revelation isn't literal, then do you believe Christ isn't physically returning as Revelation says? (Not trying to be snarky, here, genuinely asking)

I personally don't agree there will be a rapture but am of the opinion that if I'm wrong, great! If I'm right, however, I'll be prepared for what's to come. I don't feel it's a hill to die on, so to speak, when discussing with other Christians. If others want to believe they'll be zapped to safety and not have to "endure to the end" or be persecuted (even though many Christians in the world already go through persecution and aren't zapped to safety), fine. But if it doesn't happen for us then I expect there will be many Christians who will become bitter and, possibly, lose faith.

I DO believe there will be a mark or a number of some kind and that we'll be forced to use "or else" but, again, the vaccine isn't it.

I'm sorry if you took my earlier comment as "screaming" at you. That wasn't my intent.


* https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/23/anger-targets-vaccine-holdouts-delta-surge/
 

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ok, so a 96.8 % chance of not coming into contact with a covid positive person.

my point remains the same.

if you checked the weather, and it said " 80% chance of rain today", you would dress and prep for rain.

but, when you are told there is a 96.8% chance of not coming into a covid case, you say " ignore that and treat covid like the black plague"

logic, i guess...
I dont think so. We have dogs, so we went out in rain or snow and preparing for this. Correct.
In case of the Covidinfections. You dont know wether you or your friends and family belongs to the 96,8 % who will not get serious health problems after getting Covid or to the 3,2 % who will have maby serious problems or even die.
In germany we have i can say a good health System which is available for everybody.
There are many countrys in this world where the people have not the ability to get the care they need.

But I dont know we can count with the known numbers. For shure are more people were infectet then the testet persons.
 

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Jordan Hayes: 33-year-old New York man calls the non-vaccinated “idiots” and “morons,” dead 14 weeks after COVID-19 “vaccine”

https://thecovidblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Jordan-Hayes-224x300.png

NEW YORK — A 33-year-old New York husband and apparent dog lover is dead in another case of death after virtue signaling.

Mr. Jordan Hayes received his first dose of experimental mRNA on or around February 23, according to his Facebook page. It’s unclear which shot he received. But Pfizer and Moderna were the only two experimental injections available for emergency use in the United States at the time.

The since-deleted Facebook post appears to show a photo of a vaccine clinic. Mr. Hayes not only said that the non-vaccinated are failing society, but also called them “idiots” and “morons.” He emphasized that his message was being spoken “with all of my heart.”



Mr. Hayes apparently received his second mRNA injection on March 24. He celebrated being “[fully] vaccinated” and now being able to “kiss everyone on the lips again.”



Mr. Hayes went to the emergency room at Mount Sinai Hospital on or around July 1 complaining of chest pains. His health quickly deteriorated from there. Chest pains devolved into a heart attack that required two open heart surgeries. Mr. Hayes suffered multiple strokes during the surgeries. He passed away on July 6, according to a GoFundMe page. He is survived by his widow.

Mr. Hayes was a writer and dog lover. Several photos of himself with dogs are all that remain on his posthumously-edited or privatized Facebook page.
We both can sit the whole day and write down Storys like from Mr. Hayes who died after vaccine, or with people who died because of Covidinfection.
For what?
Its sadly to hear that people have to Die from Corona as well of the vaccine.
You see in the vaccine the enemy, I see it in the virus.
 

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I dont think so. We have dogs, so we went out in rain or snow and preparing for this. Correct.
In case of the Covidinfections. You dont know wether you or your friends and family belongs to the 96,8 % who will not get serious health problems after getting Covid or to the 3,2 % who will have maby serious problems or even die.
In germany we have i can say a good health System which is available for everybody.
There are many countrys in this world where the people have not the ability to get the care they need.

But I dont know we can count with the known numbers. For shure are more people were infectet then the testet persons.
all right, your latest numbers are 26, 334 active cases in germany as of today. ( 8 45 p m my time)

only 370 of those are listed as serious/ critical. so there is that.


now, let's take your thought and say that there are actually about 70,000 active cases right now.

in a country of 84 million people, that is still a 93-95% chance of NOT coming into contact with an active case.


not a serious threat.
 

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That was "cancelled" by WHO, FDA,CDC, NIH, NIAID, etc. and the whole medical establishment. It no longer exists for them. These rascals should have been arrested long ago, as well as all the tyrannical heads of state in the West.

But God has provided mankind with an amazing IMMUNE SYSTEM. Not just one organ but a whole system to fight bacterial and viral attacks. Did the compromised medical establishment educate the public about God-given immunity? Absolutely not.
You assume we all inherit this wonderful immune system. My first bout with pneumonia was as a baby. Both my mom and dad had sisters die of pneumonia at 5 years old. I didn't die because antibiotics had been invented, which my aunts did not have access to, 20-30 years before me.

I was highly involved in sports, but I could never do long distances in spite of daily training. My damaged lungs made that impossible. By high school, I was not able to recover from frequent bronchitis without antibiotics. By my late 30's I developed some terrible environmental allergies and asthma. I started getting pneumonia a lot. I was going to the hospital daily for nebulizer treatments in my 40'a. It was suggested allergy shots would help, so I tried them! Doctors didn't know in the early 1990s that allergy shots messed up the immune system, and if you had the gene for RA, you would get RA. (Now, if you have family members with RA you cannot get allergy shots! Oops!)

So the RA was sero-negative, I was severe with NO blood markers, couldn't get a diagnosis for 4 years. As for my immune system, it was attacking my body in a serious, painful and brutal way.

So much for the wonderful immune system. I'm sure Adam and Eve, their children and down generations had fantastic immune systems to keep them healthy. But a mutation happened somewhere causing the bodily to attack itself not just with RA and lupus, but a 100 autoimmune diseases. And attack them intestines, liver, and many other organs. I've had my heart and lungs attacked. I have CAD and Rheumatoid Lung Disease. A close Christian friend from my church died in Feb of Rheumatoid Lung Disease. My RLD is not getting worse at this time.

The odd thing, is after 30 years of asthma, my allergies are gone, along with my asthma. It might be the dry desert air, as black mould was my worst allergy, and it doesn't exist here. Or maybe the vaccine turned something upside down?

Anyway, if you are arguing how great an immune system God designed for the earliest people, I agree totally. But to keep harping on this when autoimmune diseases are so rampant these days, is insulting and ignorant.

I gladly got my vaccines. My lungs are filled with scarring from all the pneumonias I've had. Until COVID, the bottom of my lungs were filled with liquid from repeatedly being sick, and not functioning. Since I have stayed healthy being home or wearing my carbon filter mask when out, my lungs have dried out and the bottoms are functioning. Who knew a respiratory virus like COVID would make my lungs improve? My pulmonologist was stunned at my last CT scan, although the RA nodules are still there. A good example of Romans 8:28!

PS My RA meds have basically had to disable every part of my immune system, from B& T cells, to TNF, Interleukin 1, Jaknase molecules, and I forget what else. Seems like my whole autoimmune system has been attacking me, because suppressing any part of my immune system seems to help, except Interleukin 6 (Actemra) When I was a kid, we had one kid with allergies and asthma. I had one child I knew that had RA-my cousin who got JRA at 1 1/2 years.

Now, these autoimmune diseases are becoming rampant. Not sure if it is modern medicine, being overly clean, but humanity is going downhill. Millions cannot brag about a healthy immune system, with their bodies attacking them. Try and be a bit more sensitive.

I am grateful for the COVID vaccine, biologics, DMARDs, antibiotics, and modern medicine. I would have died as a baby, instead, I'm a senior citizen with 4 grown children and 7 grandchildren, who are all healthy.

I give my glory to God, who is definitely behind all the foundations of modern medicine. But I will never brag about my vicious autoimmune system that has been trying to kill me since I was born. A broken immune system should never listen to your crappy, fake advice! Esp. Since so much of what you post us so wrong, from all your fake news sources.
 
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