Neither James (the Lord’s brother), Barnabas, Timothy or Silvanus were counted among The Twelve...

Paul’s argument there is that he was one of the apostles equal if less than the others

“And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul’s argument is that he like the other apostles had seen the resurrected lord in person even though it was after time of the others. Paul’s argument was constant the church had trouble accepting him because before he was converted to the church he was their main persecuted they were suspicious of Paul so in his letters he’s often on the defense about his ordination as an apostle

Peter chose Matthias before the holy soirit was given which is not what Jesus told him to do , they were told to wait until pentocost but instead Peter cast lord before he receive the spirit

Matthias was never chosen by Jesus or the Holy Spirit

Paul is the twelfth apostle mat thy it’s wasn’t chosen in person by Jesus like the apostles were including Paul yet , after and out of the natural order

there are only twelve apostles

“And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus said the Spirit would take of what is His and deliver it unto 'you.' In Acts 13, the Spirit spoke and Barnabas and Saul are sent out by the Spirit. They went out on an evangelistic journey. Chapter 14 calls them both apostles.

In Matthew 9-10, Jesus says to pray the Lord of the harvest to send forth messengers into His harvest. Then he prays all night on a mountain, comes down, and appoints 12 as apostles. He tells them to heal the sick, raise the dead, cleans the lepers, cast out devils, and preach repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Then they go out on an evangelistic journey. In another gospel they are first referred to as 'apostles' after coming back from the journey they are sent on.

They were supposed to wait for the promise of the Father. It does not say they were to wait to replace Judas.



Where does the Bible say that? Proverbs says the decision of the cast lot is from the Lord. Paul wrote that Jesus rose an appeared unto the twelve...notice he does not say the eleven...before appearing to him.



Clearly false. Look up 'apostles' in a concordance or with online Bible tools. In addition to the twelve, Paul, Barnabas, Silvano, and Apollos are called apostles.



Where did Paul and his coworkers have a 'measure of rule'...it was where they preached the gospel. Our Lord sent the 12 to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, then to the nations. Paul was sent to the Gentiles.

We can just read Paul's words in in a prediction scripture, I Corinthians 15, to see he is not one of the 12. If it is in the Bible we do not have to wait until the age to come to know it.

Well, the 12 can be also a certain designation, even when they are f.e. eleven. So could he ment the time after resurraction when he appears in a room where all where gathered except Thomas. And a week later with Thomas.
Matthias was before Jesus gone to heaven, not elected. So he cant be the 12th. Paul mentioned in 1.Kor 15.
And it is not to expect that Judas still was with the other apostles. In eyes of the other apostles he was an enemy.
They would not hide before the jews together with Judas.
So about what we know from the bible, itsould ne obivious that Paul became the 12th. Maby without that the Lord revealed it to him.
So the solution we will get in heaven.

Judas was specifically chosen because he would betray Jesus and lead to the crucifixion jesus chose Judas for a purpose and then replaced him with Paul later for a purpose .

“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:70-71‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I? And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:20-25‬ ‭

“Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭22:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Judas purpose was fulfillment of prophecy

and so was Paul’s this was the intent of Christ selecting Paul who was guilty of the death of Stephen and much persecution to the church beforehand God chose the persecutor and made him the humble apostle And servant who would help reach the world with the gospel even leading the March to the gentile world

“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.”

‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:15-16‬

Paul’s life as a great sinner before he met Jesus and his life after he met Jesus is a powerful witness of Christs goal in the world of saving the sinners who find Christ and repentance

Just as the eleven had seen him after his resurrection Paul also had the experience

After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.



Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:7-11‬ ‭

Paul’s appointment was to carry the gospel to the world as the others Matthias the best evidence regarding him is no one ever heard his witness of Christ but the apostle Paul penned about 60 percent of the New Testament

Well, the 12 can be also a certain designation, even when they are f.e. eleven. So could he ment the time after resurraction when he appears in a room where all where gathered except Thomas. And a week later with Thomas.
Matthias was before Jesus gone to heaven, not elected. So he cant be the 12th. Paul mentioned in 1.Kor 15.
And it is not to expect that Judas still was with the other apostles. In eyes of the other apostles he was an enemy.
They would not hide before the jews together with Judas.
So about what we know from the bible, itsould ne obivious that Paul became the 12th. Maby without that the Lord revealed it to him.
So the solution we will get in heaven.

“And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬


An apostle has to be chosen and appointed by Jesus himself that’s what made Paul an apostle and makes him different from Matthias the Holy Spirit doesn’t choose apostles by casting lots , that’s how wicked soldiers divide the bloody garments of heroes

an apostle has to have this mark like Paul did ( who for the record is the only other man ever to have this experience with Jesus than the twelve he priorly chose including Judas )

“And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the only way someone can be an apostle Jesus himself has to be in person with you call And appoint you to this commission.

And it is the express purpose of this record in scripture so we can understand Paul is the twelfth apostle of Jesus Christ

“And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:3-6‬ ‭

Jesus himself chose Paul not Matthias and this is the commission he received exactly as the others


“But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭9:15‬ ‭

Just as the others by Jesus himself

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Saul Of tarsus , is the twelfth apostle of Jesus Christ named Paul by faith







apostles have a specific design that have to have the revelation of the gospel , have the apostles appointment by Jesus himself

Even Paul numbered Matthias among the 12. Why won’t you?

He cant numbered Matthias. He was not elected in the time when Jesus appered to them all.

1 Corinthians 15:5 ”..and that He appeared to Cephas and thento the Twelve.”

Matthias was witness to Jesus‘ ministry, resurrection and ascension, the lots fell to Matthias, and he was numbered among the 12. Paul numbered Matthias among the 12.

This is your assumption. You have no proof for that. I have no proof for my assumption. This why I said the solution for this question we will know when we are in the eternity. But not before.

Mathias was chosen by casting lots. That is like the person who chooses the short straw. Paul was less than the least, he was the shortest of short straws and the Lord makes it very clear that He was a chosen vessel of the Lord. In the age of grace we no longer choose our ministry leaders by drawing straws.

Not entirely the whole story: he had to be a bonafide witness of the Lord. Having 12 witnesses made a declaration certifiably true according to Jewish law. Without 12 witnesses, Peter‘s declaration, that Christ was the Son of God, would not have cut the hearers to their hearts.

I am not taking anything away from Matthias. I am simply pointing out there is a contrast between Jesus choosing Saul of Tarsus and the Apostles drawing straws for Matthias. I am also pointing out that this practice of drawing straws is not a NT practice and none of the Apostles in their fellowship presents this as a way to choose elders, or deacons, or people for the ministry.

I actually know of a group that casts lots for eldership today. I am not endorsing this, only saying that I know of a group.

The most important thing Matthias did was becoming a martyr for Christ so that the Jews would believe.

Question: how was Barnabas chosen as an apostle?

It is no matter i reject Matthias as Apostle or not. Its the matter how the Lord is seeing it.
Jesus did through Paul miracles if it is reportet from Peter and others.
It is to notice that Matthias never again was mentioned in the bible. He may be an apostle like others out of the 11 too. But i would see Paul as the 12th from the Lord directly called apostle. For if this is true, we have to wait till heaven. We will solve this question not before.

snip

So then, I like the simple definition, a sent one is an apostle, being a "sent one" makes you the mailman, not the person writing down what God said.