During suspected weapons tests around the island, China sends warplanes near Taiwan.

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gb9

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china is always messing with taiwan.

one of these days, they are probably going to actually do something...
 

Gideon300

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china is always messing with taiwan.

one of these days, they are probably going to actually do something...
We will see then if the USA will do anything to stop China. A lot of people question that right now. All Taiwan can hope to do is make it not worthwhile for China to invade. But China risks losing face if they don't invade, after all the threats and warnings.
 
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America can't help Taiwan. America should not intervene if China does invade. It not America's problem. America should pay more attention to America rather than some little island on the other side of the world.
 

ZNP

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America can't help Taiwan. America should not intervene if China does invade. It not America's problem. America should pay more attention to America rather than some little island on the other side of the world.
It's not our problem? Just ditch the treaties we have with them? And what about our chip manufacturing? Good bye cars, appliances and computers.

Get real, if China attacks Taiwan China will lose. It is that simple. China struggles to get food from the farm to the city during the harvest, they have to use their military to help harvest the crops and take over the railroad. Taiwan has people in place that can sabotage the railway causing chaos in China. One missile blowing up the 3 Gorges dam will wipe out the Yangtze river basin the industrial base of China with 500 million people. That would be a massive blow to their economy and cripple their power grid. Once again Taiwan has people in place who will cause power outages throughout the country.

But consider this, they have had terrible harvests this year and last. They have to import food from the US, Australia and Canada. If they go to war with Taiwan there will be embargoes. Australia and Japan have already pledged to help and see this as self defense. Japan has one of the most modern navies in the world, it may not be as big as China's but it is modern and coupled with the US and Australia and Taiwan more than enough to repel an invasion.

As for Taiwan it is a mountainous tropical island that has spent 50 years digging in to make it impregnable. All the people on the island have gone through several years of military training and so the entire island can be mobilized. This is worse than Vietnam because they are much better equipped, much better trained, and highly motivated. Remember the Falkland Islands, Taiwan can impose massive losses on China by sinking ships and stopping them on the beaches.
 

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Ah, this is why. Forget the question I asked in the other thread.

Reminds me of how Napoleon said the military cannot really govern.

It's not our problem? Just ditch the treaties we have with them? And what about our chip manufacturing? Good bye cars, appliances and computers.

Get real, if China attacks Taiwan China will lose. It is that simple. China struggles to get food from the farm to the city during the harvest, they have to use their military to help harvest the crops and take over the railroad. Taiwan has people in place that can sabotage the railway causing chaos in China. One missile blowing up the 3 Gorges dam will wipe out the Yangtze river basin the industrial base of China with 500 million people. That would be a massive blow to their economy and cripple their power grid. Once again Taiwan has people in place who will cause power outages throughout the country.

But consider this, they have had terrible harvests this year and last. They have to import food from the US, Australia and Canada. If they go to war with Taiwan there will be embargoes. Australia and Japan have already pledged to help and see this as self defense. Japan has one of the most modern navies in the world, it may not be as big as China's but it is modern and coupled with the US and Australia and Taiwan more than enough to repel an invasion.

As for Taiwan it is a mountainous tropical island that has spent 50 years digging in to make it impregnable. All the people on the island have gone through several years of military training and so the entire island can be mobilized. This is worse than Vietnam because they are much better equipped, much better trained, and highly motivated. Remember the Falkland Islands, Taiwan can impose massive losses on China by sinking ships and stopping them on the beaches.
 
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It's not our problem? Just ditch the treaties we have with them? And what about our chip manufacturing? Good bye cars, appliances and computers.

Get real, if China attacks Taiwan China will lose. It is that simple. China struggles to get food from the farm to the city during the harvest, they have to use their military to help harvest the crops and take over the railroad. Taiwan has people in place that can sabotage the railway causing chaos in China. One missile blowing up the 3 Gorges dam will wipe out the Yangtze river basin the industrial base of China with 500 million people. That would be a massive blow to their economy and cripple their power grid. Once again Taiwan has people in place who will cause power outages throughout the country.

But consider this, they have had terrible harvests this year and last. They have to import food from the US, Australia and Canada. If they go to war with Taiwan there will be embargoes. Australia and Japan have already pledged to help and see this as self defense. Japan has one of the most modern navies in the world, it may not be as big as China's but it is modern and coupled with the US and Australia and Taiwan more than enough to repel an invasion.

As for Taiwan it is a mountainous tropical island that has spent 50 years digging in to make it impregnable. All the people on the island have gone through several years of military training and so the entire island can be mobilized. This is worse than Vietnam because they are much better equipped, much better trained, and highly motivated. Remember the Falkland Islands, Taiwan can impose massive losses on China by sinking ships and stopping them on the beaches.
So why is Taiwan depending on other countries to help them ?
Also maybe China may release some other type of virus or something instead of going to war.
There was some guy in China Myles?? not a member of the CCP and a multi millionaire who said China will release a new virus and attack Taiwan as a distraction in fall this year and the world is not listening. Who knows whether true or not.
 

ZNP

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So why is Taiwan depending on other countries to help them ?
Also maybe China may release some other type of virus or something instead of going to war.
There was some guy in China Myles?? not a member of the CCP and a multi millionaire who said China will release a new virus and attack Taiwan as a distraction in fall this year and the world is not listening. Who knows whether true or not.
Why is Taiwan allied with the West? Because it makes sense.

The country that had the single best response to Covid19 was Taiwan. Check it out, they are well prepared to repel a biologic weapon attack.
 
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It's not our problem?
Correct.

Just ditch the treaties we have with them?
Yes. America has a long history of ditching treaties we have with others. This will be nothing new. What did George Washington say about avoiding entangling alliances and treaties? We should head his advise.

And what about our chip manufacturing? Good bye cars, appliances and computers.
If America wants chips, then America should make chips. Depending on little breakaway islands on the other side of the world for stuff is bad idea.

Get real, if China attacks Taiwan China will lose. It is that simple. China struggles to get food from the farm to the city during the harvest, they have to use their military to help harvest the crops and take over the railroad. Taiwan has people in place that can sabotage the railway causing chaos in China. One missile blowing up the 3 Gorges dam will wipe out the Yangtze river basin the industrial base of China with 500 million people. That would be a massive blow to their economy and cripple their power grid. Once again Taiwan has people in place who will cause power outages throughout the country.

But consider this, they have had terrible harvests this year and last. They have to import food from the US, Australia and Canada. If they go to war with Taiwan there will be embargoes. Australia and Japan have already pledged to help and see this as self defense. Japan has one of the most modern navies in the world, it may not be as big as China's but it is modern and coupled with the US and Australia and Taiwan more than enough to repel an invasion.

As for Taiwan it is a mountainous tropical island that has spent 50 years digging in to make it impregnable. All the people on the island have gone through several years of military training and so the entire island can be mobilized. This is worse than Vietnam because they are much better equipped, much better trained, and highly motivated. Remember the Falkland Islands, Taiwan can impose massive losses on China by sinking ships and stopping them on the beaches.
Listen, I hope you're right. But I don't think so. A few reasons:
1. America is addicted to Chinese debt. Our leaders don't have the stones to put their debt addiction at any risk.
2. America just got done losing to the Taliban. We lost in Iraq. We lost in Vietnam. We couldn't win in Korea. Heck the only reason we "won" in WW2 is because the Germans were pretty much done for by the time we entered the war. The Germans were putting children into battle because all their men were dead already. It was the Russians that beat the Germans. Not us.
3. The only military action that America is good at is if we drop a few bombs on someone and then get out of there. That's it. America doesn't have stomach for attrition. You think millions of American are going to be happy when their sons die to protect chip manufacturers' profit margins?? No. They'll be super mad. And at that point they'll complain to DC and the war will stop. Politicians know this and so America won't go to war with China over Taiwan.
 

ZNP

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Correct.


Yes. America has a long history of ditching treaties we have with others. This will be nothing new. What did George Washington say about avoiding entangling alliances and treaties? We should head his advise.


If America wants chips, then America should make chips. Depending on little breakaway islands on the other side of the world for stuff is bad idea.


Listen, I hope you're right. But I don't think so. A few reasons:
1. America is addicted to Chinese debt. Our leaders don't have the stones to put their debt addiction at any risk.
2. America just got done losing to the Taliban. We lost in Iraq. We lost in Vietnam. We couldn't win in Korea. Heck the only reason we "won" in WW2 is because the Germans were pretty much done for by the time we entered the war. The Germans were putting children into battle because all their men were dead already. It was the Russians that beat the Germans. Not us.
3. The only military action that America is good at is if we drop a few bombs on someone and then get out of there. That's it. America doesn't have stomach for attrition. You think millions of American are going to be happy when their sons die to protect chip manufacturers' profit margins?? No. They'll be super mad. And at that point they'll complain to DC and the war will stop. Politicians know this and so America won't go to war with China over Taiwan.
1. America is being made a slave by China debt, if we go to war with them the debt is over. If we conclude that the pandemic was a plandemic from China the debt is over. Grow a pair.
2. Time to win a war. Let me reiterate, if China attacks either the US or Taiwan China will lose. America may lose as well, but Taiwan won't. How humiliating will that be to the US.
3. You have been listening to the sissy press and the sissy Biden administration and have completely forgotten Japan and the Marshall Plan. Yes, this sissy woke military is totally useless, throw the bums out.
 
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1. America is being made a slave by China debt, if we go to war with them the debt is over. If we conclude that the pandemic was a plandemic from China the debt is over. Grow a pair.
Grow a pair??? Are you gonna lead this charge against the Chinese yourself? Are you gonna personally put yourself in danger in this war you're proposing? Are are you just wanting other people to go fight for you? You sound like a chickenhawk. Did you even serve in the military? I did. And I wasn't in some desk job either.

2. Time to win a war. Let me reiterate, if China attacks either the US or Taiwan China will lose. America may lose as well, but Taiwan won't. How humiliating will that be to the US.
I don't think it would be as humiliating as how we're leaving Afghanistan. Or how we left Vietnam.

3. You have been listening to the sissy press and the sissy Biden administration and have completely forgotten Japan and the Marshall Plan. Yes, this sissy woke military is totally useless, throw the bums out.
You know why Japan surrendered to us? It wasn't the a-bombs. (which were dropped on the only christian stonghold in Japan BTW) It was because the Russians were about to invade Japan. That's why.
And as for our this "sissy woke military", how about we start by having them guard our borders? Let's see if they can manage to accomplish that.
 

ZNP

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Grow a pair??? Are you gonna lead this charge against the Chinese yourself? Are you gonna personally put yourself in danger in this war you're proposing? Are are you just wanting other people to go fight for you? You sound like a chickenhawk. Did you even serve in the military? I did. And I wasn't in some desk job either.

I don't think it would be as humiliating as how we're leaving Afghanistan. Or how we left Vietnam.

You know why Japan surrendered to us? It wasn't the a-bombs. (which were dropped on the only christian stonghold in Japan BTW) It was because the Russians were about to invade Japan. That's why.
And as for our this "sissy woke military", how about we start by having them guard our borders? Let's see if they can manage to accomplish that.
You were in the military, would you ever pull the military out and abandon your military base and all your armaments and material before bringing out the civilians? This wasn't some kind of retreat from an overwhelming force, it was planned. Now I don't believe that our trained military men would do that, this is way too stupid to be stupid. They did this intentionally. Whoever is running this country wanted the Taliban to get that base and all that equipment and to have 15,000 American hostages. Many people were anticipating a false flag event to distract the nation from the audit.

The point is we are already at war, we have found the enemy and they are within the gates.

We could easily protect the border but they have chosen not to. We could easily eliminate the crime and chaos caused by Antifa and the AG's emptying our jails but they have chosen not to. We are already at war. The plandemic, the cyber attacks, and yes, the vaccine are all part of this war.
 

iamsoandso

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It's all to distract everyone's attention away from the obvious. Your correct though they should have evacuated the civilians and other non Afghani's first under the protection of the military and then pulled out the military(in that order). That's not the point though to them because they could care less where we all are geographically they just want us preoccupied while they collapse the economy that way no ones prepared for it when it comes.