Hell's Population Clock

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This is sort of off-topic; but I just read that some folks are suggesting
that mathematics be dumbed down so that Blacks and Hispanics wouldn't be
made to feel unequal for getting the wrong answers, viz: they claim that it's
racist to expect right answers from Blacks and Hispanics.

In my opinion that's an ugly insinuation that Blacks and Hispanics are
genetically disadvantaged whereas Whites and Asians are genetically
superior.

Your reaction is not all that uncommon.

Most Christians are fairly comfortable discussing Hell academically, i.e. as an
impersonal, abstract concept. But when somebody like me comes along and
puts a face on Hell, they don't like it because they don't want to know things
like that, they'd rather wait and see: sort of like parents who don't want to
know their baby's gender before it's born even though a sonogram would
confirm in seconds whether their child has a little cannoli.
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What bothers me is your assumption that the clock is accurate with no knowledge whatsoever what was in the hearts of those that died. Fortunately, God is full of mercy and compassion and only He knows full well of the fate of those that have already died. It is known from scripture that it is God's will and desire that none shall perish. This may throw your calculations off just a bit.

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I make no claim to accuracy.

The numbers given in post No.1 are described as:

” estimated " (8th paragraph down from the top)

" suggested " (9th paragraph down from the top)

All posts thereafter describe the numbers as " if " (updates; bottom paragraph)


It was likely His will and desire that none perish in the Flood, but quite a few
did anyway.
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• Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death isn't tangible. It's not an object; it isn't material, i.e. death per se has
no weight, has no dimensions, and takes up no space. I can understand
throwing a baseball or a javelin; but how does one throw something like
death?

Is it like throwing good money after bad, throwing your weight around, or
throwing someone to the wolves? I can understand those kinds of throwing;
I get it; but Rev 20:14 remains a bit of a mystery because the lake of fire
does not appear abstract; it appears tangible whereas death is not. How
does one connect something tangible with something intangible?

What if Rev 20:14 were to say poverty was cast into the lake of fire, or
injustice, or male pattern baldness, or tooth decay, or misandry, or
somebody's name? How would one go about throwing things like those into
the lake?

The first mention of death in the Bible is related to the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil. Did Adam pass away the very day that he tasted the fruit?
No, he continued to live for quite a few years. However, he lost immortality.
In other words; the day Adam tasted the fruit he began to age, and it was
only a matter of time till the wasting process finally broke him down to the
point where his body could no longer keep going.

1Cor 15:53-55 speaks of a victory over the wasting process. So I think we
may safely conclude that the death spoken of in Rev 20:14 has at least
something to do with mortality. But how does one throw mortality? Is it sort
of like throwing babies out with the bath water, or throwing a hissy fit?

• 1Cor 15:25-27 . . For he must reign until God has put all His enemies
under his feet. The last enemy that will be conquered is death. For God has
put all things in subjection under his feet.

Some translations say that death will be either abolished or destroyed. But
in context, it's not supposed to be wiped out to extinction. Death is
supposed to be deposed and vanquished; and become Christ's slave just like
everything and everybody else.

• Rev 1:17-19 . . I am the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am
alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

The casting of death into the lake of fire suggests to me its involuntary exile,
i.e. its banishment because in the future cosmos and the new Jerusalem
depicted in the 21st chapter of Revelation, no one will have death to fear
ever again and the only place we'll be able to find anything at all related to
death, and or categorized as death, will be confined, stored, warehoused,
restrained, incarcerated, and/or archived in that fiery impound.

• Rev 21:3-4 . . I heard a great voice out of heaven saying: Behold, the
tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall
be His people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And
God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more
death.

Pop Clock Update: 2,302 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 134,853,462
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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• Rev 13:15 . . He was given power to give breath to the image of the first
beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image
to be killed.

That passage, taken from the book of Revelation, speaks of an oppressive
regime.

To give an idea of the possible number of deaths that passage speaks of, it's
only necessary to compare historical administrative murders similar to it. For
example:

Russia's Bolsheviks and Joseph Stalin: 20 million

China's Mao Tse-tung: 40 million

North Korea's Kim Jong-un and Kim Jong-il: 3.5 million

Cambodia's Pol Pot: 3 million

Murders attributed to Uganda's Idi Amin, Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, and
Iraq's Saddam Hussein, have thus far been difficult to estimate; but may
total upwards of 370,000 + or -

TOTAL: aprox. 66.9 million

Those millions of people didn't lose their lives via foreign invasion. No, they
lost their lives due to execution, privation, and starvation by the
governments of their own countries who managed to condemn many of their
citizens as traitors and/or enemies of the state; so it's easy to see that Rev
13:15's prediction isn't irregular but actually a fairly common practice
among repressive governments within which there are few to zero checks
and balances in place to prevent human rights abuses.

Pop Clock Update: 2,317 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 135,432,177
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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The law of God says: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, and
life for life.

Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed
26 people with homemade bombs; and leave mass murderers like Stephen
Paddock who indiscriminately sprayed a music concert in Las Vegas with a
rifle equipped with a bump stock resulting in 471 dead and/or wounded?
How are those guys supposed to balance the scales of justice for all those
people?

The law of God also prohibits dishonesty. Well; supposing somebody has
been less than totally honest upwards of 200 incidents in their lifetime? How
are they supposed to balance the scales of justice when each count of
dishonesty merits the curse mandated at Deut 27:26?

Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales; which is no
doubt at least one of the reasons why Hell and the lake of fire are so
permanent. And even if they weren't permanent, they'd at least have to be
very long-running in order to satisfy justice for some folk.

Pop Clock Update: 2,323 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 136,083,663
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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• Zech 1:5 . .Where are your forefathers now? And the prophets; do they
live forever?

My dad is gone, and the great preacher Billy Graham; he's gone too. My
favorite rock and roll guitar player during the years I was a teen-ager was
Chuck Berry. He's gone. While a sophomore in high school, I walked to a
theater after school to see "The Blob" starring a rather unknown actor at the
time named Steve McQueen. He's gone. My eldest brother entered the
Catholic priesthood and anon advanced to Friar. He's gone.

There's hardly a day goes by without someone passing away that at one
time was very important to me; a constant reminder that nobody lives
forever and neither will I. At my current age of 77, I'll be passing away not
too long from now. Most of my life has already been lived and I'm in the
home stretch. When I was a youngster, the horizon seemed forever far
away; but now, looking at my wasting body, it seems I'm walking on the
horizon's very edge.

Pop Clock Update: 2,332 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 136,610,892
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.

NOTE: 136 millions seems like an awful lot but in today's Federal spending
dollars, it's chump change.

Consider a trillion. It consists of a thousand billions and each billion consists
of a thousand millions. So that a trillion is equal to a thousand millions
multiplied a thousand times.

Simply put: a trillion contains twelve zeroes, whereas a million contains only
six zeroes. All in all, one trillion is like 7,353 times greater than 136 millions.
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FAQ: Am I allowed to have an honest opinion?

A: Yes.

REPLY: Well then; the creator depicted in the Bible knew ahead of time, by
means of precognition, that the human life He was about to create would all
have to die because of just one man's sin,

. . . and the human life He was about to create would become so bad that
He would have to exterminate most of it in a global deluge,

. . . and the human life He was about to create would be suffering with
diseases, poverty, wars, famines, and oppression,

. . . and much of the human life that He was about to create would end up in
Hell, then later on restored to their bodies only to be executed by a mode of
death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

. . . He's proven Himself to be quite capable of walking over people's bones
to get what He wants, and to top it off: has the chutzpa to advertise Himself
as a god of love, concern, compassion, and sympathy.

RESPONSE: So in your honest opinion the creator depicted in the Bible is a
cruel, fiendish, criminally minded, tyrannical despot far more dangerous than
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and/or North Korea's Kim Jong-Un?

REPLY: YES!

RESPONSE: Well then, it appears to me that you test positive for the so-called
fallen nature.

• Rom 8:7 . .The sinful mind is hostile to God.

REPLY: My thinking is logical, reasonable, and sensible!

RESPONSE: I do not doubt the quality of your thinking. In point of fact, I
sincerely believe that anyone capable of intelligent critical thinking would
readily agree with you and that's because none of us have a divine sense of
right and wrong, rather, a quite human sense.

Pop Clock Update: 2,338 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 136,962,378
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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just a hint in case you're wrong, when you get up there and its not quite as expected don't join the bitter ones you'll get a chance to decide remember he said "Amen, I say to you, tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you"
i visit a ruined abbey sometimes and had a vision of beings there hating me - they used to be monks and were stuck there because they were not let in. but evil things were done there not the normal bad stuff we do or else it would not be haunted

There is no human reasoning that can speak of the reality of hell. Yet, Paul said in Roman 5 that grace did much more than SIN!


Amen, Paul Said I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for it iS the POWER of GOD unto Salvation Jesus is still calling and still saving and the prayers of the righteous have gone up to the Throne room of God past and present and I don't know about you BUT my whole HOUSE shall be saved. The devil is a liar and Yes hell will have those there yet My God said Proclaim, my Son, shine light in the darkness, and see I will give you the heathen. Ps 2:8

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• Judg 17:1-6 . . A man named Micah lived in the hill country of Ephraim.
One day he said to his mother: I heard you curse the thief who stole eleven
hundred pieces of silver from you. Well, here they are. I was the one who
took them. The Lord bless you for admitting it; his mother replied.

. . . He returned the money to her, and she said: I now dedicate these silver
coins to The Lord. In honor of my son, I will have an image carved and an
idol cast. So his mother took two hundred of the silver coins to a silversmith,
who made them into an image and an idol. And these were placed in Micah's
house.

Micah's mother (call her Ophelia) broke the very first commandment of the
covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God on oath per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy by making statuettes to represent
God. (Ex 20:2-4

The interesting thing about Ophelia's religious confusion is that Jehovah was
her God; but in the wrong way; viz: her religion was a mixture of truth and
error. The sad part is; Ophelia's mixed up religious beliefs didn't lead only
just herself into disfavor with The Lord, no, it led her offspring into disfavor
too.

Christians sometimes extol the mothers of the saints. Well let me tell you
something about mothers. They may mean well; but just because they are
mothers doesn't make them right. Ophelia is a timeless case in point.
Mothers are the best Judas Goats one can imagine. They can lead their
children to disaster with far more effectiveness than the demon world
because mothers have the advantage of trust. Kids are naturally inclined to
rely upon their parents, so they are easy victims of misinformation when the
source of that misinformation is moms and dads-- most especially moms.

You know what can be even worse than going to Hell? Your own children
following you there: and they trusted you. Can you just imagine the mental
and emotional anguish that mothers feel in the netherworld knowing they
brought up their children to follow an ideology whose pot at the end of the
rainbow is filled with brimstone instead of gold.

NOTE: Hell never sleeps, nor breaks for holidays, nor takes a vacation; it's
open for business 24-7-365.

Souls continuously cascade into the abyss in an endless procession like the
unbelievable millions of poultry broilers passing annually through Tyson
chicken processing plants on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior,
Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen,
Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and
wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The slaughtering and the butchering
never stop.

According to the numbers posted in the OP, by the time Mothers Day ends at
midnight tonight, approximately 58,581 people will transfer from the upper
world to the netherworld. A percentage of them will be moms.

Pop Clock Update: 2,342 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 137,196,702
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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• 2Ki 8:26 . .Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign;
and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah,
the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

At that time, the land was divided into two kingdoms-- Israel (a.k.a.
Samaria) in the north, and Judah in the south. (1Ki 11:26-40)

Apparently, marriages between the two royal families was supposed to
foster peaceful relations between them. An unfortunate side effect was some
pretty bad kings. Ahaziah was a bad king who walked not after David's
ways, but after his northern kin's ways-- the house of Ahab.

• 2Chro 22:3-4 . . He also walked in the ways of the house of Ahab: for his
mother was his counselor to do wickedly. Wherefore he did evil in the sight
of The Lord like the house of Ahab: for they were his counselors after the
death of his father-- to his destruction.

That's a perfect example how a man's in-laws can be his own worst
enemies; and his mother too

Anyway, God saw to it that Ahaziah lost control over the south (2Chrn 22:7)
which prompted his mother to do a terrible thing.

• 2Chro 22:10-23:1 . . But when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that
her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal of the house of
Judah. But Jehoshabeath, the daughter of the king, took Joash the son of
Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king's sons that were slain, and put
him and his nurse in a bedchamber.

. . .So Jehoshabeath, the daughter of king Jehoram, the wife of Jehoiada
the priest, (for she was the sister of Ahaziah,) hid him from Athaliah, so that
she slew him not. And he was with them hid in the house of God six years:
and Athaliah reigned over the land.

If not for Joash's auntie Jehoshabeath's rapid response, that heartless
monster Athaliah would've completely wiped out every last one of her own
grandsons so she could grab the throne.

NOTE: It's not all that unusual for despots to murder their own kin so as to
eliminate any and all possible challenges to their control. For example; North
Korea's Kim Jong-Un ordered his uncle Jang Song-Thaek assassinated for
that very reason.

Pop Clock Update: 2,352 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 137,782,512
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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• Matt 10:39 . .Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life
for my sake will find it.

The biggest road block to radical feminists becoming effective Christian
disciples is Jesus' gender. You see, at the heart of feminism, is the drive to
be independent of males. Yet the very Lord and Master of Christianity, the
supreme male in the universe; demands death to a woman's self interests,
and submission to his domineering control. Good luck on that one ladies.

• Luke 14:26 . . If you want to be my follower you must love me more than
your own father and mother, wife and children brothers and sisters-- yes,
more than your own life. And you cannot be my disciple if you do take up
your own cross and follow me.

In Jesus' day, crosses were for executions. So when Jesus told his disciples
to "take up their own cross" it meant stifling their own way; viz: it was a call
to abandon self interests, and follow The Master's leading.

• Rom 12:1-2 . .Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to
offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-- this is your
spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this
world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be
able to test and approve what God's will is-- his good, pleasing and perfect
will.

The bitter irony of it all is that God has delegated the task of humanity's final
judgment to His son; viz: in the end, it will be a male who casts condemned
radical feminist women into Hell and permanently ruins any chances they
might have had for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned
radical feminist women will grind their teeth with hot tears and white
knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out on everything because of one lone
male's obsessive control over their lives. Isn't that what radical feminism is
really all about anyway: male supremacy?

NOTE: For the benefit of those unaware: Radical feminism is somewhat
different than standard feminism. The standard kind is basically concerned
with equality, whereas the radical kind is basically chafed by male
supremacy. The standard kind is typically peaceable with men, whereas the
radical kind is driven by misandry, i.e. hatred for men.

Pop Clock Update: 2,359 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 138,192,579
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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• 2Tim 3:1-3 . . This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall
come. For people shall be . . .without natural affection

The Greek word translated "without natural affection" is astorgos (as'-tor
gos) which means: hard-hearted towards kindred; viz: lacking in
sympathetic understanding i.e. unfeeling, pitiless, thoughtless, insensitive,
cruel, and inhumane.

There are actually kids growing up in homes right here in the USA where
their parents never give them even one atta-boy. As a result, they grow up
feeling ugly, unwanted, stupid, useless, marginal, expendable, and
unnecessary.

There are also kids growing up in homes where mothers never hug them nor
bother to take the time to forge a bond between mother and child. Thus they
grow up with reactive attachment disorder; feeling convinced that no one
could possibly ever love them or be their best friend forever. RAD kids grow
up to become adults with some serious trust issues.

Maybe you don't burn your kids with cigarettes, pour Tabasco sauce in their
eyes, or lock them in a hall closet without food and water for two days; but
do you ignore their opinions, demean them with denigrating labels, ridicule
them, threaten their lives, work them as slaves without compensation, deny
them things just so you won't appear to indulge them, and/or say "no" to
their requests for no good reason than that you don't want to seem weak
and under their control?

Do you routinely abuse their human rights, and/or relegate them to the level
of livestock rather than bona fide human beings with feelings and a mind of
their own? Do you nurture within them a feeling of importance, of belonging
in your home, or do you make them feel like an invasive species and/or an
uninvited guest? Kids pick up on things like that.

Pop Clock Update: 2,388 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 139,891,428
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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I will say that the holy quoran is very much more about male radical supremacy than the christian new testerment is i know ive read it.

Personaly speaking i like how the french describe masculinity and feminity.

To be masculine is to be formal and to be feminine is to be polite, which is both something men and women are both capable of.

The french see nothing wrong with being formal or polite.

For instance if for some reason your just formal when i speak to you today, it could mean your not in a very good mood or fed up.

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• Rev 16:8-9 . .The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the
sun was given power to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the
intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these
plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify Him.

• Rev 16:10-11 . .The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the
beast, and his kingdom was plunged into darkness. Men gnawed their
tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and
their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

You know what's missing in those two scenarios? The element of fright is
missing. The recipients of those acts of God actually get angry and resentful
instead of scared.

Back in the sixth chapter, people panic and actually pray to be buried alive
rather than face the wrath of God. But apparently by the time of the
sixteenth chapter, they're over it. Well; no surprise there.

The first time I heard of Jesus' return I got nervous because, at the time, I
had a lot to answer for. But the nervousness soon passed, and I became
indignant because I don't like being made afraid; so I can sort of understand
the people's change of mood between the sixth chapter and the sixteenth.

NOTE: The people in the sixteenth chapter are accused of refusing to repent
and glorify God. What might that mean? Well; I suggest it means that the
sensible thing to do in a situation like theirs is to fully agree we deserve it;
like this:

"And I heard a voice from the altar saying: Yes, Lord God Almighty, your
punishments are true and just." (Rev 16:7)

Pop Clock Update: 2,445 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 143,230,545
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Jesus did not answer the question directly, He often doesn't. " Lord will there be few saved?"

He might have said

"That is none of your business, That is My business, I am the only Judge of who or how many get saved .... if you care about saving many ...then
Enter YE at the narrow gate for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many there be that enter therein but strive to enter in at the strait gate for I tell you many shall seek to enter but shall not be able"

In other words

"Never mind about numbers that's MY game, YOU concentrate about getting your act together, getting a good hold on truth and the word of God, so walking before God that He can USE YOU for the salvation of many"

"Why look at John Wesley [He said] of the many who are called he was one of the few chosen TO BE A WITNESS to the multitudes of his generation. He came in at the strait gate Jesus [might have] said and I turned him straight back around to the wide gate and the broad road to RESCUE MANY"

I doesn't believe only a few shrivelled souls will be saved. Jesus said "MANY shall come from the east and from the west and will sit at table with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven"

He said "even though My Father's house [which is not small] is packed there is still room for me go into the highways and hedges and COMPEL those you find there, good or bad, to come in"

John said the people who are redeemed in heaven are beyond human capability to be numbered.

The church is CHOSEN to be a house set upon the hill to lead men to salvation.

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The book of life (Rev 20;12-15) was compiled prior to God creating even the
very first particle for the current cosmos. (Rev 17:8) But I don't think it was
compiled arbitrarily.

According to John 5:24 and Eph 1:13, it's necessary to hear + believe the
gospel to get one's name listed in the book. Well; there's reason to believe
that God is able to view the future. So way back before beginning to
construct the cosmos, He looked down thru the centuries and foresaw
everybody that was going to hear + believe. Having in hand all the
necessary data needed for compiling the book, God went ahead and got it
done and then turned His attention elsewhere.

Now, not everyone is going to be judged on the basis of hearing + believing
the gospel. There are untold millions who never heard, nor will ever hear
tell, of a Christ let alone his crucifixion for the sins of the world.

However, the beauties and complexities of nature, on earth and out in the
void, speak loudly and clearly enough that the cosmos-- all its forms of life,
matter, and energy --is the result of intelligent design. And the human
conscience intuitively knows that there is going to be a reckoning. This is
what's known as the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6-7} and it has been
preaching itself to men all over the globe from the very beginning. (Ps 19:1
6 & Rom 1:18-20 & Rom 2:14-16)

According to Rom 10:18, nature itself is the word of God; and accounted as
a gospel. This is pretty cool because by nature's gospel, folks all over the
globe-- both primitive and civilized --can be saved.

In point of fact, ignorance is truly bliss in this situation because according to
Heb 10:29-31, folks who hear + disbelieve Jesus' gospel are in greater
danger of eternal suffering than those who know absolutely nothing about
him. (Can you just imagine the chagrin of an educated genius like Mark.
Zukerberg doomed to the depths of Hell while an illiterate aboriginal with a
bone in his nose is carried up to the comforts of Heaven?)

Pop Clock Update: 2,598 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 152,193,438
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
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This is from Post 11 on page 1 ---

Hell is depicted as a large open pit, deep and wide, with many roads
around the periphery of the pit leading toward the bottom. Every one of
those roads will take you down there.

Many don't like discussion this subject -----it is a frightening subject and many avoid it like the plague --it is not preached in many Churches out of fear of loosing their Money their regular people bring in ---it is refused to talk about as it is a hard subject of the Scripture and many just don't want to believe in it nor discusse how a loving God would send people to this place ------

God is a God of Love but He is also a God of Judgment -----Sin is an abomination to God and He cannot entertain it nor accept it -----People have used God's Love to justify their fear of going to such a place ---

We Christians like our cake and eat it to ---we want to be able to Live our lives as we please 00)sin all we want to and know God's Love will save us in the end ------

Well I believe a lot of people are in for the shock of their lives in their end ------God tells us that He will Judge unbelievers and they will go to a place of torment ------so just because we don't believe in such a place does not meant it doesn't exist -----Scripture says it is truth -----so you either believe that or you don't -----Salvation is for the here and NOW Folks -----Scripture says you die once and Judgement comes =

I will post an article that is worth the read ------for anyone interested ------it explains all the different terms used in Scripture and gives Scripture References for same -------

I believe there are a couple of levels in hell -----as the Old Testament Saints went to Paradise ---which I believe is the upper region of hell -----Jesus took them to heaven After He was resurrected and assented to Heaven ------ no one went to heaven before Jesus came and was crucifies and resurrected and went to the Father --That is my belief -------

This is the article ------just posting some of it ----you can read the rest on your own ----much more to read here and is Worth the Read Folks -------

Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the Grave
by W. Edward Bedore, Th.D.

https://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/hell-sheol-hades-paradise-and-the-grave/


There seems to be some confusion about the meaning of Hell and who goes there because of the way the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades have been translated in our English Bibles. Since this confusion has led some into an erroneous understanding of what the Bible actually teaches about the intermediate state and the final state of the dead, we think that it is important that we address this subject here.

Sheol is found in the Bible sixty-five times. It is translated “the pit” three times, “the grave” thirty-one times, and “hell” thirty-one times. Hades is used eleven times, being rendered “hell” ten times and “grave” once. Adding to the confusion is that two other words are also translated hell in the New Testament. These are Tartarus, which is found once and Gehenna, which is used twelve times.

The term “Hell” is commonly understood to mean a place of torment where the souls of the wicked go after physical death. This is true. However, because Hades in the New Testament and Sheol in the Old are variously rendered hell or grave, there has been some misunderstanding about what hell and the grave are. Before looking at these words though, we should first give our attention to the Greek word Gehenna, which is always translated hell and used in reference to the Lake of Fire. It is found in Matthew 5:22,29,30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43,45,47; Luke 12:5; and James 3:6.

THE FINAL HELL
The Lake of Fire, or Hell, is a literal place of everlasting fire that was originally created by God as a place of punishment for Satan and the angels that followed him in his rebellion against God (Mat. 25:41). Because it is referred to as the place of “outer darkness” (Mat. 8:12; 25:30), we believe that it is most probably located at the farthest reaches of the creation. Gehenna is described in Scripture as a “furnace of fire” (Mat. 13:42); “everlasting punishment” (Mat. 25:46); “the mist [gloom] of darkness” (II Pet. 2:17); the “hurt of the second death” (Rev. 2:11 cf. 20:6,14; 21:8); “a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20; 20:10; 21:8).

While Hell was created for Satan and the other fallen angels, the unsaved of humanity from all ages will be with them in this place of torment where “there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Mat. 13:42). This is the “everlasting reward” of all that die in their sins.

While there is no one in the Lake of Fire at this time, it will one day hold a vast multitude. The first residents of this place of righteous retribution will be the Beast (Antichrist) and the False Prophet who, at the end of the Tribulation, will be “cast alive into a lake burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:19-20). Joining them will be the unsaved of the nations who survive the Tribulation (Mat. 25:31-32,41-46). Also, at Jesus Christ’s return to earth, the rebel Israelites, i.e. unbelieving Jews, who survive the Tribulation, will be denied entrance into the Millennial Kingdom, no doubt to join their Gentile counterparts in the “place of everlasting fire” (Eze. 20:33-38; Mat. 7:21-23; cf. Mat. 24:29-31,45-51). Then, at the end of the Millennial Kingdom of Jesus Christ, Satan will be “cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Rev. 20:10). And finally, the unsaved dead of all ages will be raised and judged at the Great White Throne by Jesus Christ and then cast into the Lake of Fire (see Rev. 20:11-15).

The name Gehenna comes from a deep narrow ravine south of Jerusalem where some Hebrew parents actually sacrificed their children to the Ammonite god, Molech, during the time of the kings (II Kin. 16;3; II Chron. 28:1-3; cf. Lev. 18:21; I Kin. 11:5,7,33). This pagan deity is also referred to as Malcham, Milcom, and Moloch in the Bible. This valley later served as the city dump and, because there was continual burning of refuse there, it became a graphic symbol of the place of punishment for the wicked. It was named the “Valley of Hinnom,” which translated into Greek becomes Gehenna. The passages where the word is found in the New Testament plainly show that it was a commonly used expression for Hell by that time. The word is found twelve times in the Scriptures, being used eleven times by the Lord Jesus and once by James. When we consider the context, it is clear the Lord used this word in reference to the place of everlasting punishment for the wicked dead and not to the city dump.

Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire, might be referred to as the future, or final, Hell because it is where all of the wicked from all ages will finally end up. Satan, the fallen angels, and all of the lost of mankind will reside in torment there forever and ever.

SHEOL/HADES: THE PRESENT HELL
Scripture passages in which Gehenna is used should be distinguished from those using Hades, which refers to a place of temporary torment that we might refer to as the immediate, or present, Hell. What we mean by this is that, at the time of death, the souls of the lost go directly to Hades, where they suffer in torment until the time of the Great White Throne Judgment when they will be resurrected and cast into the Lake of Fire. The souls of all the lost who have already died are presently there and those who die in their sins immediately go there to join them.

EXAMPLES SHOWING THAT SHEOL IS NOT A BURIAL PLACE
1. After selling Joseph into slavery, his brothers stained his coat with blood and used it to convince their father that he had been killed by a wild animal (Gen. 37:26-36). Jacob’s sons and daughters tried “to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, `for I will go down into the grave (Sheol) unto my son mourning’. Thus his father wept for him” (v. 35

DEATH AND SHEOL
Death and Sheol/Hades are linked together at least thirty-three times in the Scriptures. In these, we see a general distinction between the “outward man,” which is the body and the “inward man,” which is the soul (cf. II Cor. 4:16). In this sense, death, or the grave, claims the physical part of man, the body, while Sheol/Hades claims the separated, spiritual part of man, the soul. This is exactly the meaning of Psalm 16:10: “For Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell (Sheol); neither will Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption.”

PARADISE
While Paradise is not now a part of Sheol/Hades it will be mentioned here because it was located in Sheol/Hades at one time. Before the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ everybody who died went to Sheol/Hades, which was at that time divided into at least two compartments. One was a place of torment while the other was a place of blessing, which was referred to as Abraham’s Bosom (Lk. 16:22-25). As we mentioned before, Tartarus may be a specific place in Sheol/Hades.

We know that Jesus Christ went “into the lower parts of the earth” (Eph. 4:9), that is to Sheol/Hades, “in the heart of the earth,” for three days and nights while his body was in the grave (Mat. 12:40).

THE GRAVE
We have already looked at the word queber, the most common word for grave, or a burial place, in the Old Testament, and have shown that it is not the same as Sheol. As previously stated, of the sixty-four times it is used it is rendered “grave” thirty-four times, “sepulcher” twenty-six times, and “burying place” four times. Two other words that are used for a burial place in the Old Testament are Shah-ghath and Qeburah.

PRACTICAL APPLICATION FOR TODAY
A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches about Hell, Sheol, Hades, and the Grave dispels confusion over what happens to the soul at the time of physical death and guards against being led astray by those teaching the false doctrines of soul-sleep, eradication of the soul, the universal reconciliation of mankind, and the annihilation of the lost.