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The born again, are initially justified by faith......... and then we are kept justified by the blood of Jesus.

Once you are born again, you are always born again..

How does this begin?

1.) God accepts our faith to : "justified by faith".. 2,) ."faith is counted AS righteousness".

What does that mean?
It means that God accepts your faith in the Holy ONE as if you are the same righteousness as the Holy One.
Christ on the Cross becomes all your sin, and dies for it all, and you live as Christ's Righteousness, as who you have become "in Christ".... born again.
This is what it means to be "made righteous". and "faith is counted as righteousness".

Salvation, is God re-creating you, born again, as a "new Creation", >Spiritually<, as part of God's Holy Spirit.
And then He seals this for eternity, by putting you IN Christ and Christ in you, so that you remain the same, Spiritually. = "ONE with God", as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

See that?

That is who you become when you are born again, and that is who you remain because you have been born again as "the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD".
That is who you are, as a "new Creation"..'in Christ"., if you are born again, and not just water baptized.
And notice that you did nothing to become "Made righteous", but give God your faith, and God does the REST for you, as "the GIFT of Salvation".
Philippians 1:6

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2.) God accepts our faith : "as Righteousness".
This happens once.
The proof = Born again with Christ not in you.

So If you are in a "church" that has lied to you, and is keeping you under terrible bondage to the "law" and "commandments", by telling you, that..>"if you sin, you lose your salvation, and when you confess you get it back". Or, if they tell you.."if you sin, you lost fellowship with God and if you confess, you get it back".
See that?
That is the devil's lie. As the devil does not want you to TRUST in Christ, He want's you to trust in your confessing and your commandment keeping, and to never understand that once you are born again, you are always born again.
So, if that is your church, lying to you...... then GET OUT OF IT and never look back.

3.) The blood of Jesus continues to Justify you and keep you as righteous as it did when it saved you, by forgiving all your sin.
Saint.....You have to realize something about the blood of Jesus and the Cross of Christ,...... to understand the Grace of God.
Look closely..
Notice that the Cross is 2000+ yrs ago, an it is STILL the only way to Heaven.
The Gospel is "Christ Crucified", "all who BELIEVE".
Why?
Its because the blood that was shed on the Cross, is God's BLOOD, and this blood has eternal> redeeming Power.
It is still saving the world, one believer at at time, 2000+ yrs later.
And that is why this holy Blood, keeps you RIGHTEOUS FOREVER, once God applies it to you... as the blood atonement, which is your redemption.
The BLOOD of God, once applied to you as forgiveness and "the gift of righteousness", always continues to redeem you from your sin for as long as God lives.

Welcome to your = SALVATION.
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4.) So, then "being Justified"....this is Christ's BLOOD that keeps you justified...or "being Justified"......"continuing to be".
Its this.....>"Jesus is the FINISHER of our FAITH.
Its This. Jesus is our.."eternal LIFE".
Its this." Made righteous" by the blood and death of Jesus.
Its this. "Blood bought" by Christ's redeeming blood.
Its This..>"God who began salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be faithful to complete it"... Philippians 1:6

So, see all that? = Your Salvation.
You Give God your faith, and He accept this to Justify you based on the CROSS....., and then Jesus who is GOD finishes your faith and God finishes your salvation.

YourSalvation is a GIFT provided by God.

Understand.....= Salvation is ALL of God.
He created it with the Blood and Death of Jesus on The Cross 2000 yrs ago, proven by the resurrection of Jesus The Christ...... and then GOD maintains it Himself as your "gift of Salvation".
Your part?
You receive God's GIFT of Salvation.
Thats your only part in Salvation. You receive it..... Its a GIFT.

Saint, Salvation is not you holding unto God,......Salvation is God holding unto YOU< by and through the Blood and Death and Resurrection of Jesus, and THAT is your Eternal Life, secured.
 

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The born again, are initially justified by faith......... and then we are kept justified by the blood of Jesus.

Once you are born again, you are always born again..

How does this begin?

1.) God accepts our faith to : "justified by faith".. 2,) ."faith is counted AS righteousness".

What does that mean?
It means that God accepts your faith in the Holy ONE as if you are the same righteousness as the Holy One.
Christ on the Cross becomes all your sin, and dies for it all, and you live as Christ's Righteousness, as who you have become "in Christ".... born again.
This is what it means to be "made righteous". and "faith is counted as righteousness".

Salvation, is God re-creating you, born again, as a "new Creation", >Spiritually<, as part of God's Holy Spirit.
And then He seals this for eternity, by putting you IN Christ and Christ in you, so that you remain the same, Spiritually. = "ONE with God", as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

See that?

That is who you become when you are born again, and that is who you remain because you have been born again as "the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD".
That is who you are, as a "new Creation"..'in Christ"., if you are born again, and not just water baptized.
And notice that you did nothing to become "Made righteous", but give God your faith, and God does the REST for you, as "the GIFT of Salvation".
Philippians 1:6

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2.) God accepts our faith : "as Righteousness".
This happens once.
The proof = Born again with Christ not in you.

So If you are in a "church" that has lied to you, and is keeping you under terrible bondage to the "law" and "commandments", by telling you, that..>"if you sin, you lose your salvation, and when you confess you get it back". Or, if they tell you.."if you sin, you lost fellowship with God and if you confess, you get it back".
See that?
That is the devil's lie. As the devil does not want you to TRUST in Christ, He want's you to trust in your confessing and your commandment keeping, and to never understand that once you are born again, you are always born again.
So, if that is your church, lying to you...... then GET OUT OF IT and never look back.

3.) The blood of Jesus continues to Justify you and keep you as righteous as it did when it saved you, by forgiving all your sin.
Saint.....You have to realize something about the blood of Jesus and the Cross of Christ,...... to understand the Grace of God.
Look closely..
Notice that the Cross is 2000+ yrs ago, an it is STILL the only way to Heaven.
The Gospel is "Christ Crucified", "all who BELIEVE".
Why?
Its because the blood that was shed on the Cross, is God's BLOOD, and this blood has eternal> redeeming Power.
It is still saving the world, one believer at at time, 2000+ yrs later.
And that is why this holy Blood, keeps you RIGHTEOUS FOREVER, once God applies it to you... as the blood atonement, which is your redemption.
The BLOOD of God, once applied to you as forgiveness and "the gift of righteousness", always continues to redeem you from your sin for as long as God lives.

Welcome to your = SALVATION.
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4.) So, then "being Justified"....this is Christ's BLOOD that keeps you justified...or "being Justified"......"continuing to be".
Its this.....>"Jesus is the FINISHER of our FAITH.
Its This. Jesus is our.."eternal LIFE".
Its this." Made righteous" by the blood and death of Jesus.
Its this. "Blood bought" by Christ's redeeming blood.
Its This..>"God who began salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be faithful to complete it"... Philippians 1:6

So, see all that? = Your Salvation.
You Give God your faith, and He accept this to Justify you based on the CROSS....., and then Jesus who is GOD finishes your faith and God finishes your salvation.

YourSalvation is a GIFT provided by God.

Understand.....= Salvation is ALL of God.
He created it with the Blood and Death of Jesus on The Cross 2000 yrs ago, proven by the resurrection of Jesus The Christ...... and then GOD maintains it Himself as your "gift of Salvation".
Your part?
You receive God's GIFT of Salvation.
Thats your only part in Salvation. You receive it..... Its a GIFT.

Saint, Salvation is not you holding unto God,......Salvation is God holding unto YOU< by and through the Blood and Death and Resurrection of Jesus, and THAT is your Eternal Life, secured.
You remind me of me, never use one word when ten will do. The hardest thing as a writer is to keep short and to the point. Having said all that, I agree with what you have to say. Perhaps you could consider breaking down your post into several posts covering a particular theme. That's what I endeavor to do, not always successfully. Above all, read over your post a few times before hitting post reply.

A word of advice from my sister, who was a professional writer and taught writing at university (now retired): you are writing for an audience, not yourself. See things from their point of view, not just your own.

As a PS, a bit nitpicky, you do do lose fellowship with God when you sin. What you do not ever lose is relationship.
 
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As a PS, a bit nitpicky, you do do lose fellowship with God when you sin. What you do not ever lose is relationship.
That's the devil's deceit you just supplied.

And you'll do it again, as a Legalist can't do anything else.
Ive seen you teach self saving Cross denying lessons on a few forums, before they kicked you off...
You are one of those self savers who will talk about the Cross out of one side of your mouth, then deny it with self effort, out of the other side of your mouth.
Ive met you before, as you are the one that likes to pretend on Christian forums that God left His Throne and appeared to you.
So, are you still trying that con game, Gideon300? I suspect that you are still playing in that fantasy land.

Now, listen up........you can only lose what you created, and you do not create your relationship with God.
Relationship with God, is created and kept by the Blood of Jesus, which is something you'll never understand, as you continue to try to prove that Salvation is only as good as the person's behavior.

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A word of advice from my sister, who was a professional writer and taught writing at university (now retired): you are writing for an audience, not yourself. See things from their point of view, not just your own.
Your sister isn't a Teacher of the NT.
So, as usual, what you have said is meaningless, and related to nothing but your odd opinions.

Preachers don't see things from the point of view of the audience, they see things from the perspective of the Cross of Christ as this is the call they are to share, as Light.
Preachers are not "sent into the world to reflect the perspective of the audience'......so, what you said, is ignorant with regard to the Call of God.
 

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A word of advice from my sister, who was a professional writer and taught writing at university (now retired): you are writing for an audience, not yourself. See things from their point of view, not just your own.
This is true. I learned this while doing business writing. You have to speak (write) the language that the intended recipient fully comprehends.
 
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This is true. I learned this while doing business writing. You have to speak (write) the language that the intended recipient fully comprehends.
Im not offering...... "business writing".
And could it be that the hearer is the issue and not the writer?

Notice that gideon300 said something that is incredibly foolish.... that you didn't notice.
He said that a preacher, teacher, of the Word of God, is to change their message to fit, or suit, their Audience.
So, if the audience are muslims, or atheists, is the teacher supposed to change the Gospel or the NT into something they feel comfortable with hearing??
Gideon300 votes = YES.
Is the Teacher supposed to accommodate the feelings and emotions of the hearer, so that they hear what they like?
If that is true, then just talk about being blessed and getting money and having health.
Many pastors do exactly this.....
Im not them...

Jesus once said to His audience....."you are of your father the devil"...

Also, if you are dealing with someone's eternal life, you have to speak in a way that leads them into Heaven.
If you are dealing with believers who are confessing sin, then you have to lead them out of that wrong faith.

You have to recognize the priority as the main thing, when you teach, and keeping it "short" so that people dont have to read and think, is not the priority.

Many believers, sit in a Sunday Morning service, looking at their watch, thinking..."when is he going to STOP TALKING so that i can go and EAT".

Others, think......"ok, its almost NOON, ......just 5 more minutes and he'll let us LEAVE"..

And honestly, these people should just stay home, and watch Netflix and Cable, as they are just wasting time in the Church Building, every Sunday.
 

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Im not offering...... "business writing".
And could it be that the hearer is the issue and not the writer?
The writer and the hearer (reader) is the dynamic. Any issue with one will affect the other. To be effective as a writer you must write on a level that can be understood by the reader.
 

tourist

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Notice that gideon300 said something that is incredibly foolish.... that you didn't notice.
He said that a preacher, teacher, of the Word of God, is to change their message to fit, or suit, their Audience.
Paul certainly didn't believe that what @Gideon300 said was foolish. I believe that what he said was profound.

1Cor 9:20-23
And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
 
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Paul certainly didn't believe that what @Gideon300 said was foolish. I believe that what he said was profound.

1Cor 9:20-23
And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
What gideon300 stated, Its not profound.
He believes that salvation is based on you keeping yourself saved by your works, as he'll teach you that you can lose your salvation.
How do i know?
Because ive helped Mods get him off of a few forums, as he'll ruin your faith, if possible.

Also, look at your verse........Paul became to them.....so that he might ""WIN THEM"">........ and "save them".

Now, if you look at this Thread, im not trying to win a soul, or lead anyone to Christ or "save them", as Paul is defining what he is doing, in your verse.

My Thread is directed as Christians who are sinning and confessing, and can't stop, because they don't know how.
You obviously dont have that issue,???????????????
But most do, and my Threads, nearly always, are talking to a believer who has a broken faith, that is causing them to "sin and confess", habitually.
That is Torment, and a Born Again Christian is not supposed to live in this torment.
I teach how to get out of it, and live in "victory".
 
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That's better that "the agony of defeat".
Let me tell you what theological hell is... for a believer.

Its this........"OMG< i may have lost my salvation"..

See that? That is sustained mental torment, because there is no relief from this, as its FAITH BASED Deception.
And once you are there, this becomes a type of spiritual insanity.

People like the above mentioned, will lead you there., and not just that member.
See, everyone who is on a forum, who is active, is preaching THEIR Message, their theology.

MOST preach a hybrid faith gospel......."yea, Jesus saved me.......but , but, but.......now, i have to....do this, and do that, and not do THAT, and if i get all my Do'ism right, i keep myself SAVED".
That is faith in SELF that has lost faith in Christ.

See that? That seems innocent, but its actually the enemy of the Cross, as it is denying the finished work of jesus, by replacing it with "what i do, what you have to do", ........to STAY Saved.

Broken Faith, is this..........>I dont believe that Christ keeps me saved".......>"i believe that Christ began my salvation, but i have to complete it by DOING and NOT DOING">
This is LEGALISM, or "self saving".

See that?
Thats : Galatians 1:8 as a theology when taught.
 

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Let me tell you what theological hell is... for a believer.

Its this........"OMG< i may have lost my salvation"..

See that? That is sustained mental torment, because there is no relief from this, as its FAITH BASED Deception.
And once you are there, this becomes a type of spiritual insanity.

People like the above mentioned, will lead you there., and not just that member.
See, everyone who is on a forum, who is active, is preaching THEIR Message, their theology.

MOST preach a hybrid faith gospel......."yea, Jesus saved me.......but , but, but.......now, i have to....do this, and do that, and not do THAT, and if i get all my Do'ism right, i keep myself SAVED".
That is faith in SELF that has lost faith in Christ.

See that? That seems innocent, but its actually the enemy of the Cross, as it is denying the finished work of jesus, by replacing it with "what i do, what you have to do", ........to STAY Saved.

Broken Faith, is this..........>I dont believe that Christ keeps me saved".......>"i believe that Christ began my salvation, but i have to complete it by DOING and NOT DOING">
This is LEGALISM, or "self saving".

See that?
Thats : Galatians 1:8 as a theology when taught.
I believe, based on what I have understood from scripture, that once you are born again as a result of Jesus dying for your confessed sins, and inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart to comfort and guide you, then you are always saved. It says in the bible that Jesus has not lost a single one that the Father has trusted in His capable hands.
 
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I believe, based on what I have understood from scripture, that once you are born again as a result of Jesus dying for your confessed sins, and inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart to comfort and guide you, then you are always saved. It says in the bible that Jesus has not lost a single one that the Father has trusted in His capable hands.
Jesus Is Salvation., and He is Eternal Life.
Jesus is the Grace of God.
Jesus is the Blood Atonement
Jesus is "the way, the truth, and THE Life".

"Christ in you, the hope of Glory"... "Glory" is Heaven.


All the born again have Jesus in them, as He is become the born again Spirit in us.
The born again exist AS "the righteousness of God, In Christ".

So, if i asked you, "who are you"..

The correct answer is not your name or your denomination or your job title.
The Correct answer is....>"im the righteousness of God in Christ". A "SON of God".

Here is the puzzle that the discerning Christian, will figure out.

My body is dead and is waiting to end up in the grave,..., and my mind is not the real me.
The real me is "seated in Heavenly places in Christ".
The real me......is......"As Christ is, so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD">........already.

REALITY for the Christian, is not....>im on earth, my body is dying........

Reality is, for the Christ is....>"Christ is in me, im "made righteous"< and i have eternal life, and im waiting for my new body.