The rapture and "the tribulation"

"""Jesus doesn't come until after the man of lawlessness is in the temple proclaiming himself to be God.
2 Thessalonians 2:8
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"""


See this is what i am talking about.
You deliberately changed a verse, to MAKE IT say what you wanted it to say.
NOWHERE in that verse or ANY verse does it say or imply that.

So glad i am allowed to explore and investigate all verses.
Some simply are prohibited. Their bible is cut to pieces and now says just what they need it to.

Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation is written clearly in black and white. What causes disagreement is our own personal Hermeneutics (how we interpret Scripture).

Unless you're hermeneutics falls under most of what the main stream denominational churches believe;

Everyone can break down Scriptures all they want but it really will not give the FACTS of when the Rapture will actually happen. It's God's mystery for a reason.

Sorry my comment was incomplete... reposting..

Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation is written clearly in black and white. What causes disagreement is our own personal Hermeneutics (how we interpret Scripture).

Unless you're hermeneutics falls under most of what the main stream denominational churches believe;
Amillennialists believe that God's promises regarding the end times are figurative and will not be literally fulfilled, particularly the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ on the earth.

In this case, the Rapture discussion is nonexistent.

Everyone can break down Scriptures all they want but it really will not give the FACTS of when the Rapture will actually happen. It's God's mystery for a reason.

It actually gives the very hour!

He is coming at the hour you least expect it.

Most of us are always expecting it. I believe what Scripture actually says is that he will come at a time we think he won't.

Luke 12:40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

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Yes , amen,he is coming at an hour least expected.
...so at least we know the hour.
Cue chuckle at my little funny.



New Living Translation
You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.”

English Standard Version
You also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

Berean Study Bible
You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.”

Berean Literal Bible
You also, be ready; for the Son of Man comes in the hour you do not expect."

King James Bible
Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

New King James Version
Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

Even though we don't know the hour, we will know the season because we are children of the light.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-9

1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, 'Peace and safety,' destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

We will know the season, many believers can already feel the storm approaching.

17th of elu 5781 today's date take it from their saints

Both the wise and foolish virgins were given the heads up of most likely a few hours...or minutes.

It was sudden enough that half those believers were out searching for lost oil and came back too late...but knew he was immediately approaching. Just flat ran outta time.

As for the season, we can see the one world system coming in on top of us today.

Mandatory vacc will evolve into a mark.
You heard it here first.

Those refusing will be the fore runners to those not worshipping the false savior fauci

"""Okay, this is the rapture, and it says this will happen "after the tribulation"""



Nope .....second coming has no rapture

You posted:
angels gather...NOT JESUS
from heaven....NOT earth.

No rapture verse has horses or a Conquering king in its setting.
No rapture verse has a setting of war or destroyed planet.

You just bolstered the pretrib rapture model

Postrib rapture is not at all plausable.
It can not happen.
Impossible

Yep.. Most people say we don't know the timing of the Rapture but for those that believe in midtrib or posttrib you can set the timing mathematical to the day.. 3.5 yr mark or 7 yr mark. It's sad to know that some Christian's think that God wants his Bride to suffer through the Great Tribulation. 😢

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The truth isn't sad, it's just true. God also allowed his son to be brutally tortured and killed. Pretty sad huh?

I know the difference between sad and SAD... Thank you.

I agree the rapture event we are looking for will not occur after this approximate 7 year period that has been called, "the tribulation." That is true that the Lord's remnant church (chosen ones) is not appointed to wrath. I think the remnant church will be glorified while undergoing trials and tribulation ( in my opinion we as the Lord's children have been experiencing this for some time). I also agree that trying to set the exact timing of the rapture(s) is a fruitless endeavor, although I think looking into Revelation more can be helpful in trying to establish a general timing of the rapture and other events.

I have spent a good deal of time over the past five years studying Revelation, different rapture theories, etc. I thought I would offer you my thoughts without going into to much detail and mention what I think the Lord has revealed.

Firstly, the term, "the tribulation" is an artificial term. It can cause confusion because some equate the term tribulation, or persecution, with wrath. There is no approximate 7 year period called "the tribulation" in the Bible. Tribulation and wrath are two separate things as you likely know, and they both can be defined by the scriptures.

The book of Revelation mentions three "great tribulation" periods. Yes, there is the main great tribulation period for Israel, but there is also an intense tribulation period for those who are part of the Laodicean church, and those who are a part of Mystery Babylon as well. I found the book, "Kingdom of Priests" by Brenda Weltner on Revelation insightful, although I don't agree with some things she states.

In my view, we are already in Daniel's 70th week. The approximate 3 1/2 year period of Jacob's trouble is quickly approaching. The military leaders of Israel are stating they are planning to be at war with Iran soon, and Israel has struck Damascus many times this year. It won't be long before Damascus will be a ruinous heap (Isaiah 17:1). Also, the mark of the beast system is being developed and soon this vaccine passport system will be connected to a global cryptocurrency system. The stage is set for the revealing of the antichrist as well.

I believe that the remnant bride of Jesus Christ will be glorified/transfigured at the time the woman/Israel goes into travail(approximate beginning of Time of Jacob's Trouble). Those who are "chosen" will help bring heart healing and deliverance to those who need to be born again of His Spirit. The parable of the ten virgins tells us to watch and be ready because we won't know the day or hour. I do think we can know the approximate season of the glorification/transfiguration, just as Elijah knew the approximate time he was caught up. The Lord always divides, and judgement begins in the House of God. The actual harpazo or rapture event will occur at a later time, when the main harvest crop has received the Holy Spirit and is ready.

There is a twofold rapture theory that I think makes sense. Although of course I could be wrong about it. In my view, the Matthew 24:29-31 passage could be a reference to that second rapture.

This theory states that there is a second rapture for the over-comers. This group will be composed of the gentile saints and those of the 144,000 of Israel who refuse the mark of the beast. Sister Brenda has theorized that the Lord gathers them together and a harpazo happens before the prophesied Day of The Lord begins. This is because those who are called, chosen, and faithful are not appointed to God's wrath. This is applicable to the 144,000 of Israel and other gentiles who refuse the mark of the beast and with God's help endure the reign of the beast. Of course, others will become martyrs for the Lord Jesus.

So, in this twofold rapture theory, the first rapture will compose the remnant glorified gentile bride and the main harvest who receive Jesus while undergoing persecutions tribulations (refining) mentioned in Revelation 2:10. Some of those foolish virgins, in my view, will become martyrs, and others will be part of the first rapture. This is because they were not ready at the appointed time, had soiled garments, etc. They were not eligible to become a part of the first fruits chosen remnant bride. I think it just depends what the Lord's plan is for that person. I have also viewed many visions and dreams according to Joel 2:28 and they do support this idea of further refining (persecution or tribulation) for those who were not ready to be part of the chosen remnant first fruits.

Sister Brenda and other scholars point to the following scriptures as evidence for their two raptures theory.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-10, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Matthew 24:36-44, and Revelation 14:14-16

Well, however the Lord chooses to do things, I will rejoice. I thought I would mention another view that has been offered. I have found the study of the time of the end to be quite complex. Come quickly Lord Jesus.

I admire your time of explaining your theories of the Rapture, it's a pleasure to have discussions without the tensions. 😊

In my many years of studying Revelation one needs to know the Old Testament. The Book of Daniel sets the stage of the 70th week. Which led me to study Daniel for years. In Revelation there over 800 illusions from the Old Testament. Revelation actually forces you to read the whole Bible ( lol God is amazing).

The Book of Revelation is the only book that offers a special Blessing whoever reads it. Unfortunately it's the most feared and most avoided book in the Bible. MARANATHA! 💖

I think this bible passage is misunderstood here. Revelation and Daniel were not meant as literal definitions but as spiritual encouragements in times of trial. That it’s not giving a specific time of when tribulations will happen but the courage to know that when they happen, and when ever they happen to take courage because heaven awaits us. And I saw a multitude of people from every nation that no man could count praising God. That’s us … that’s us after having gone through life’s trials and struggles and the apostles telling we have a destiny we are going somewhere. And no matter what you may face know that your are heading to live itself. Studies especially of revelation show that this idea of the rapture wants never intended to be seen as such but it was meant to be seen as an analogy as the early Christian when it was written were being persecuted and could not openly celebrate their faith. This was meant as something to give them hope. Don’t look for hidden signs in these passages, Jesus was very very clear on this point. No man knows the time or the hour, only the father. He said people will say I am here or there don’t believe them. I think he’s words make it crystal clear. Most prominent Christian theologians agree here. The rapture doesn’t exist in the sense of some kind of prophetic dooms day event. These passages are meant to give us hope in ANY time of trial at any point in history when we face it. Sure the end may be tomorrow, next Thursday or even a hundred years from now but God doesn’t want us to focus on when our last day will be but to be strengthened by him even at our most difficult moments because one day all that will wash away and we will see God as he is in heaven

"""Studies especially of revelation show that this idea of the rapture wants never intended to be seen as such but it was meant to be seen as an analogy as the early Christian when it was written were being persecuted and could not openly celebrate their faith"""

Post one of these studies.

I have studied over 40 years

I have seem these "spiritualizations" of the word where there is no need to come up with a spiritual meaning.
Other places where people are unaware of the spiritual implications.

Idk when the rapture is, but I feel like "god would never make his bride suffer" is a dangerous attitude.
Jesus answers to Peter like he is Satan for suggesting he won't go to the cross. Christian's have been persecuted from day 1 and continue to be today, so the idea that the church could go through part of the tribulation, or even the whole thing- that's not some wacky idea. If you're a Christian, you're going to endure some kind of suffering by default.

Christian's have been persecuted from day one.Most Religion have.Maybe not all from day 1.If the world hated him they do & will hate us.Note: it's the sin inside them that hates us not the person.If we have to be hated we want be hated 4 the right reason.