God's Blood

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Joseph is blessed in Egypt, and through him Egypt is blessed - and he dies there with his family, and with the Egyptians who have become his friends. his own family meant this for evil, but God purposed it for good.
tho he died in Egypt ((Genesis 50)) his bones are carried back to the land of his father ((Joshua 24)) according to his will & command

so in the typology we have Christ giving his life in what is spiritually called Egypt ((Revelation 11:8)), after bringing them great blessing
and we have His body ((the church)) being later brought out of Egypt ((not by any power of its own!)) into the place purchased and prepared for it long ago by the Father
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Happens inside man (not outside) like bondage and freedom covenants, both are only played by women (allegory,) one womb birth for mans flesh and blood that doesn't inherit, being woke up from inside is Christ that sleeps until its woke up.

Classic reading called secular history is never fulfilled just repeated.
Ecclesiastes 3:15:

“That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.”​
 
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Kidron said:
"""""The Mirror Bible completely reverses this. The point of the Mirror Bible paraphrase is not that people need to become children of God but they need to recognize that they are already children of God because of Christ:""""""


So, that is just universalism, which of course is false.

He's confused by a verse that says that "God was in the world not counting men's sins against them"...." and has given us this ministry of Reconciliation".
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as i mentioned, i have personally had some lengthy conversations with Francois du Toit.
my impression is that his key confusion is this: he thinks the Bible is about himself, rather than being about Christ.

he sees everything and everyone in the Bible as all not actually existing, but being metaphors for his human existence - including God & Satan. he has overall a sort of Hindu/Buddhist theology, believing there is no God, there is no devil, there is no Christ -- that it's all just stories about facets of your self, to help you be 'enlightened' and become 'one with the universe' & realize that you don't exist either; only the universe exists, and you are the universe, and the universe doesn't really exist either.

it's basically another new-age gnosticism mixing all kinds of Eastern religions together with humanism, and trying to cram the Bible into that mish-mashed framework.
glen55 said:
Happens inside man (not outside) like bondage and freedom covenants, both are only played by women (allegory,) one womb birth for mans flesh and blood that doesn't inherit, being woke up from inside is Christ that sleeps until its woke up.

Classic reading called secular history is never fulfilled just repeated.
Ecclesiastes 3:15:

“That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.”​
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In my opinion, Mssr du Toit's fundamental error is that he believes the scripture to be about himself, rather than Christ
 
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Would you be willing to name the Cult that taught you what has deceived you?
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I belong to the Lord, and the Lord is no cult. I see patterns in scripture.

We and our world is made in the image of God. God used things of this world to symbolize the world of the spirit in the old testament before God spoke to us directly in our hearts. Through the holy spirit we are to see the spirit of these symbols, but some are just too deep, at least for me, to understand.
 
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posthuman said:
as i mentioned, i have personally had some lengthy conversations with Francois du Toit.
my impression is that his key confusion is this: he thinks the Bible is about himself, rather than being about Christ.

he sees everything and everyone in the Bible as all not actually existing, but being metaphors for his human existence - including God & Satan. he has overall a sort of Hindu/Buddhist theology, believing there is no God, there is no devil, there is no Christ -- that it's all just stories about facets of your self, to help you be 'enlightened' and become 'one with the universe' & realize that you don't exist either; only the universe exists, and you are the universe, and the universe doesn't really exist either.

it's basically another new-age gnosticism mixing all kinds of Eastern religions together with humanism, and trying to cram the Bible into that mish-mashed framework.


In my opinion, Mssr du Toit's fundamental error is that he believes the scripture to be about himself, rather than Christ
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Don't even read the one your saying I do. I probably agree with some of what he has taught, secular reading history into scripture is repeated that is allegory actually that covers what happens to man, outside is shadows like Saul's beliefs.
 
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Needing a preacher and hand made church is for sons of man, Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Not many of ya are doing it.
 
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glen55 said:
Needing a preacher and hand made church is for sons of man, Phil 2:5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Not many of ya are doing it.
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do you believe this means we are all in the form of God & equal with God?

asking because this:

glen55 said:
I probably agree with some of what he has taught
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glen55 said:
Don't even read the one your saying I do
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i wasn't saying that. my intention was to communicate that your comments remind me of his philosophies.
 
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posthuman said:
do you believe this means we are all in the form of God & equal with God?

asking because this:
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Never read what he wrote so probably is maybe after reading so maybe not also, now classic theology is easy to see its being read like secular history and repeated under the sun for sons of man. Saul like all mosses believers worship and judge like John the Baptist, best born by womb wasn't awake to who he was with Christ in him, Saul wasn't woken outside to Christ in him like in all man looking outside and blind. Paul was woke up inside about bring a son of god we all are.
 
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glen55 said:
now classic theology is easy to see its being read like secular history and repeated under the sun for sons of man. Saul like all mosses believers worship and judge like John the Baptist, best born by womb wasn't awake to who he was with Christ in him, Saul wasn't woken outside to Christ in him like in all man looking outside and blind. Paul was woke up inside about bring a son of god we all are.
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So, you're suggesting universalist pantheistic Christ-consciousness neo-Buddhist enlightenment-humanism, right?
 
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posthuman said:
There's finitely many spirits in the world, after all.
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It is in you as a person that the nature of God is revealed, for a scriptural episode is not a record of an historical event, but a parabolic revelation of truth. To see Jesus or David as an historical character is to see truth tempered to the weakness of your soul. You must see what the characters represent, rather than the characters themselves. This is true for every story in scripture, for every episode will unfold within you.

Of coarse classic theology believes reading secular history that repeats belief under the sun, Eccl 3:15 gave some hints about repeated allegory thought to be history.
 
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posthuman said:
as i mentioned, i have personally had some lengthy conversations with Francois du Toit.
my impression is that his key confusion is this: he thinks the Bible is about himself, rather than being about Christ.

he sees everything and everyone in the Bible as all not actually existing, but being metaphors for his human existence - including God & Satan. he has overall a sort of Hindu/Buddhist theology, believing there is no God, there is no devil, there is no Christ -- that it's all just stories about facets of your self, to help you be 'enlightened' and become 'one with the universe' & realize that you don't exist either; only the universe exists, and you are the universe, and the universe doesn't really exist either.

it's basically another new-age gnosticism mixing all kinds of Eastern religions together with humanism, and trying to cram the Bible into that mish-mashed framework.


In my opinion, Mssr du Toit's fundamental error is that he believes the scripture to be about himself, rather than Christ
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i would say that delusion tops all others including, 'the fool has said there is no God'
 
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I do not see what most of these posts has to do with God's blood, a wonderful and interesting topic to discuss.

God's very first response to the fall of Adam and Eve was the giving of blood on the altar to counteract the death that the fall brought to man. It is explained in Lev. 17:11 and elaborated on when God gave animal blood by killing an animal to make a covering for Adam and Eve's nakedness as Christ makes a covering for our sin. It is explain further when Able sacrificed a lamb symbolic of Christ and Cain expected the fruits of his labor to act as a sacrifice that is required for the forgiveness of sin. The entire sacrificial system was a shadow of Christ for the forgiveness of sin that was perfected centuries later when Christ was made literal and perfected it.
 
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