They're not for you

Man, I get it. The liberals, with their abdication of personal responsibility, their policies of enablement, their promotion of abortion, their poly/a-theism free for all, their embrace of immorality - These are not values Christians should be promoting.

But the conservative embrace of self idolatry, the abandonment of the poor and sick, the mammon worship, the lies and deceit - those are not values Christians should be supporting either. Yet so many do. And vehemently.


The trouble is, only one of these philosophies claims it is from God. And that is what makes it more dangerous.

They are not philosophis. One is a hijacked word, used by evil ideologues, who use everything. The other is a traditional valuesystem based on a religion. The problem is that words do not mean the same, and you talk past eachother. The familyvalues of conservatives comes from God.

Man, I get it. The liberals, with their abdication of personal responsibility, their policies of enablement, their promotion of abortion, their poly/a-theism free for all, their embrace of immorality - These are not values Christians should be promoting.

But the conservative embrace of self idolatry, the abandonment of the poor and sick, the mammon worship, the lies and deceit - those are not values Christians should be supporting either. Yet so many do. And vehemently.


The trouble is, only one of these philosophies claims it is from God. And that is what makes it more dangerous.

Self idolatry, abandonment of the sick and poor, mammon worship, lies and deceit - these are NOT Christian family values.

Imho, traditional conservativism isn't really a mainstream thing anymore. It's a differeny version of conservatism often referred to as neo-conservatism. In other words, the conservatives of today aren't the conservatives of 50 years ago. NeoCons have, in fact, been influenced greatly by progressives and liberal democrats.

From what I can see, Christians who chose a political side do tend to lean more toward the conservative side and sympathize with the majority, if not all, of modern American conservative values.

I think the deception is that presenting two mainstream political options for the general public creates the illusion that one is correct and the other is wrong. Imho, both parties are severely and heinously flawed. Both parties act like honeypots that will eventually coalesce into one party by incrementally luring voters into common ground.

But the conservative embrace of self idolatry, the abandonment of the poor and sick, the mammon worship, the lies and deceit - those are not values Christians should be supporting either. Yet so many do. And vehemently.

Everything you just wrote here is an out and out lie.

As simple as that.

Because that is what the republican power structure is all about. And if you can't see that, you're one of the Matthew 24 deceived.

But the conservative embrace of self idolatry

the mammon worship

the abandonment of the poor and sick

the lies and deceit

And that is what makes it more dangerous.

Ever since King Reagan (oooh that oughta raise some hairs!) executive compensation has skyrocketed while worker pay has been stagnant. Workers also used to get benefits like health care and retirement, but not any more. The rich get richer by coveting the accumulation of wealth and standing on the necks of the poor... a conservative/republican banner!

The fact that healthcare in the USA is a FOR PROFIT INDUSTRY pretty much guarantees that is is FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. Even with Obummercare it's out of reach for far too many. Again, a conservative/republican banner!

Self idolatry? Do you not hear how Trump speaks? Early on the white house policy makers learned to include his name repeatedly in their reports, as he would not read them unless his name was prominently present. Too, accumulating wealth and resources a the expense of the working poor is itself a form of self idolatry. More conservative/republican banners!

Lies and deceit? Add hypocrisy too. McConnel standing in the way of Obama's SCOTUS pick, saying let the voters decide, then turning cheek and pushing thru Trump's pick no. 3 under the exact same conditions? Judges and sycophants appointed by Trump ALL telling him he has no case vis-a-vis a stolen election and yet he still clings to that lie, along with most of his followers? Trump telling his supporters that the vaccine is safe and to take it and his supporters still clinging to unqualified pundits saying it's not? Truth and honesty have no place in the right! These people are only looking to confirm what they already believe - even if what they already believe is a proven lie!

The liberal/democrats - they are obviously anti God. They don't try to hide it, they don't deny it, it's right out there in the open to be clearly seen.

The conservatives/republicans on the other hand, having abandoned God's ways, still couch their actions in God's Name.

And THAT is what God warned us against, being deceived by those who come in His Name but draw believers away from God's truths.

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It is not king Reagan, it is st Reagan, and he was wrong about mental healthcare. Trump speaks of us, not sellfidolotary, and cut him some slack. Many think he is the second coming. Just 16 years too late, because he was tested with luxury and all his wants covered. Tolerate conservative christians who see him as more than their prez. Made a big change, moved the embassy to Jerusalem, that was big,. Promised for 50 years, none did it, it could not be done it was said. He did it. Recognizing the true capital of Israel matters. If a tool of God, or more, he did that, it matters to christians. Challenging abortion was also big. He might not be a classic christian, but fought for those values, when none others did.

Even the ungodly do things God says to do. Plenty of unsaved people feed the poor for example. Does that mean we should rally behind these unsaved people? That we should call them 'of God'?

You touch on something else there that has me pondering...

I see a lot of Christians praising Trump for his treaties to bring peace between Israel and the Arabs

But what does the Bible say about the one who brings peace between Israel and the Arabs? Who is he identified as in Revelation?

GOD WARNS US WE WILL BE DECIEVED BY MANY WHO COME IN HIS NAME...

And only the republicans (not the dems for sure) claim His Name

Even the ungodly do things God says to do. Plenty of unsaved people feed the poor for example. Does that mean we should rally behind these unsaved people? That we should call them 'of God'?

You touch on something else there that has me pondering...

I see a lot of Christians praising Trump for his treaties to bring peace between Israel and the Arabs

But what does the Bible say about the one who brings peace between Israel and the Arabs? Who is he identified as in Revelation?

GOD WARNS US WE WILL BE DECIEVED BY MANY WHO COME IN HIS NAME...

And only the republicans (not the dems for sure) claim His Name

Man, I get it. The liberals, with their abdication of personal responsibility, their policies of enablement, their promotion of abortion, their poly/a-theism free for all, their embrace of immorality - These are not values Christians should be promoting.

But the conservative embrace of self idolatry, the abandonment of the poor and sick, the mammon worship, the lies and deceit - those are not values Christians should be supporting either. Yet so many do. And vehemently.


The trouble is, only one of these philosophies claims it is from God. And that is what makes it more dangerous.

Everything you just wrote here is an out and out lie.

As simple as that.

Ever since King Reagan (oooh that oughta raise some hairs!) executive compensation has skyrocketed while worker pay has been stagnant. Workers also used to get benefits like health care and retirement, but not any more. The rich get richer by coveting the accumulation of wealth and standing on the necks of the poor... a conservative/republican banner!

The fact that healthcare in the USA is a FOR PROFIT INDUSTRY pretty much guarantees that is is FOR THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD IT. Even with Obummercare it's out of reach for far too many. Again, a conservative/republican banner!

Self idolatry? Do you not hear how Trump speaks? Early on the white house policy makers learned to include his name repeatedly in their reports, as he would not read them unless his name was prominently present. Too, accumulating wealth and resources a the expense of the working poor is itself a form of self idolatry. More conservative/republican banners!

Lies and deceit? Add hypocrisy too. McConnel standing in the way of Obama's SCOTUS pick, saying let the voters decide, then turning cheek and pushing thru Trump's pick no. 3 under the exact same conditions? Judges and sycophants appointed by Trump ALL telling him he has no case vis-a-vis a stolen election and yet he still clings to that lie, along with most of his followers? Trump telling his supporters that the vaccine is safe and to take it and his supporters still clinging to unqualified pundits saying it's not? Truth and honesty have no place in the right! These people are only looking to confirm what they already believe - even if what they already believe is a proven lie!

The liberal/democrats - they are obviously anti God. They don't try to hide it, they don't deny it, it's right out there in the open to be clearly seen.

The conservatives/republicans on the other hand, having abandoned God's ways, still couch their actions in God's Name.

And THAT is what God warned us against, being deceived by those who come in His Name but draw believers away from God's truths.