"Christians must resist all COVID-19 restrictions. Here’s why"

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Genipher

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They had to make a U-turn or otherwise they would be flying off into outer space. Funny thing though, no one has ever taken a photograph of the edge of the earth. I asked a flat earther a few years ago on this site why this was and he said because going to the edge of the earth is a hard thing to do. I take from that that they are not very ambitious. They said that all photographic evidence of a round earth is fake yet do not provide any of there own. Another guy said once that there is no oxygen there at the edge. Yeah, well take and air tank for crying out loud. Truly pathetic responses.
Have you seen the documentary called Behind the Curve ?

it was a fascinating watch. These felt earthers kept coming up with all these scientific ways to prove the earth was flat--at one point one of their members spent 20K on a device to try to disprove the earth spins. But every time they disproved their own theory.

All I can think is if they have the funds to throw 20K at a project, they should be able to get enough funding for a trip to the edge of the world, right?
 

Sipsey

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Now you have to wonder whether it was the geometry or the accent which prevented you from grasping it. BTW Geometry is very logical and elegant.
She was an intimidating figure to this diminutive (at the time) redneck. I once received a test with a good score and “Plagiarized”written in bold red across the top. I ask her who I copied from, all the surrounding students fared poorly on this particular test, she was tough, but I passed.
 

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All I can think is if they have the funds to throw 20K at a project, they should be able to get enough funding for a trip to the edge of the world, right?
I would think so but then flatliners don't strike me as being very ambitious but rather ambiguous.
 

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con't from above post


Israeli Data Indicate Pfizer ‘Vaccine’ Failure
Data from Israel also offer a dismal view of COVID-19 injections. Israel used Pfizer’s mRNA injection exclusively, so this gives us a good idea of its effectiveness. Overall, it looks like an abysmal failure, as a majority of serious cases and deaths are now occurring among those injected with two doses. The following is a screenshot of graphs posted on Twitter.21

The red is unvaccinated, yellow refers to partially “vaccinated” and green fully “vaccinated” with two doses. The charts speak for themselves.


Overall, it doesn’t appear as though COVID-19 gene modification injections have the ability to effectively eliminate COVID-19 outbreaks, and this makes sense, seeing how it’s mathematically impossible for them to do so.

The four available COVID shots in the U.S. provide an absolute risk reduction between just 0.7% and 1.3%.22,23 (Efficacy rates of 67% to 95% all refer to the relative risk reduction.) Meanwhile, the noninstitutionalized infection fatality ratio across age groups is a mere 0.26%.24 Since the absolute risk that needs to be overcome is lower than the absolute risk reduction these injections can provide, mass vaccination simply cannot have a favorable impact.

source (with more info)
Are you from Israel? That's cool. I'm of Jewish descent so you and I have something in common.
 

EnglishChick

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People who don't read or know God's word can hardly be called followers of Christ, the born again.
They may have been saved 5 mins ago for all you know!

Sometimes I honestly think that if the thief from the Cross has been given a last minute pardon by the Romans or sanhedrin, and came to a Christian church or forum today he would have been judged as a reprobate!!! (Ok, perhaps that's not a good example , as a he would most likely have learned Torah as a child, but my point still stands!)
 

EnglishChick

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If someone is posting doctrines of demons, I'm hard-pressed to believe they are seeking the truth. It is possible, sure. So far I haven't witnessed it. But, I have only been on a few threads.
Even the elect can be deceived. You don't become unelect because you make a mistake in doctrine !
 

Blain

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You know I got the vaccine and whether it is Christian or not to get it is between the person and God. I admit I got it because in the facility I live in if I didn't my freedom would be taken away completely because it is a government facility so basically whatever Biden says goes. However now they want me to get the booster shot and I refuse most likely I will not be allowed to go anywhere from now on but I am standing my ground on this.
Many question and some even claim it is the mark of the beast and let me assure anyone who wonders it is not it's just the precursor to it.
What I can testify of is that the vaccine made me feel like I was going to die and I actually thought I might. Now make no mistake this vaccine is not about health it is about control. There is a person here where I live who demands I get the booster shot because I am killing people by not doing so.

So my response to him is how much it doesn't make sense. the vaccine doesn't stop the spread and neither do the masks the vaccine just reduces the symptoms but if he already has the booster shot then his symptoms are already lowered so the only person in any risk in this situation is me and by the way a vaccine deosn't reduce symptoms it protects you from said virus that is the definition of a vaccine
Now if someone wants to get the vaccine that is their choice but trying to force people to get it by any means whether that be the facility I live in or the government or even a family or friend is not only against the constitution but against common sense

What I don't understand is how people can be so ignorant to this virus vaccine and the agenda at play, we are given the world wide web to do research we have endless amounts of information but yet people remain blind
 

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URGENT ALERT. You all should read this. And pass it along. Mark of the Beast is coming....

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/

many pages! Vast material on COVID virus, effects, vaccine and its effects....and TRANSHUMANISM...!

"COVID-19 Vaccine Development and Links to Transhumanism:
This section deals with some more speculative aspects of the pandemic and the medical and scientific establishment’s reaction to it, as well as the disturbing links between scientists involved in vaccine research and scientists whose work involved merging nanotechnology with living cells."
 

Dude653

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And fyi, America has never been pro-God. That is a fantasy. This has never been a Christian nation.
Most of the founding fathers were deist
Thomas Jefferson was quiet adamant said the government is not to favor one religion or discriminate against another
 

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This is an opinion piece written by Lora Young and published by LifeSite News. It should be read by all. More and more people are coming to see that everything about the COVID pandemic is bogus.

PART I
Lockdowns, followed by mask mandates, followed by talk of vaccine mandates, convinced me that COVID-19 was not as serious as the government pretended, but that the response was going to be much worse. I was proven right.

From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is filled with commandments that demonstrate the value God places on life. A few examples: Man was created in the very image of God. (Genesis 1:27) The strictest punishments are for those who take an innocent life. (Numbers 35:30-31) The laws of purity are all about life. One becomes ritually impure if he comes in contact with a corpse. (Numbers 19:11) A woman is ritually impure during her menses. (Leviticus 15:19 — The means of sustaining a potential life is expelled. Plus, life is in the blood and it is being lost.) Although the Sabbath is the holiest of all holy days in the Bible, the rabbis taught that saving a life was a valid reason for violating the Sabbath. Jesus taught that even alleviating human suffering was a valid reason for violating the Sabbath. (Matthew 12:9-14)

There are those who say Romans 13:1-7 directs us to obey government authorities because they were put there by God. Generally, I agree. However, there are instances, both biblical and historical, where defying the government was not only allowed, but praised. Examples: Moses’ mother hid him from Pharoah, in violation of the law. (Exodus 2:2; Hebrews 11:23)The Hebrew midwives violated the law, and then lied about it, in order to preserve the lives of the Israelite baby boys. (Exodus 1:17-20) Rahab hid the spies and then lied to the authorities. (Joshua 2:1-6)

Many people violated Nazi law in order to save Jewish lives: the ten Boom family, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Oskar Schindler, Irene Sandler, to name only a few. I’m not saying we should be able to pick and choose which laws to obey, but when the law is clearly anti-life, we have a duty to push back. Given God’s overwhelming affirmation of life, can Christians do anything less than value life and resist anything that compromises human life, in all its forms?

CDC, WHO, and U.S. government lied about the severity of COVID-19 [Note: so did all governments]
The PCR test, used to diagnose COVID-19, was never intended to be used to diagnose an illness. In addition, the test has been run using 35+ cycles, which likely picks up harmless virus fragments. The New York Times suggests that as many as 90% of all positive COVID-19 tests are false positives.

Recent reports by the CDC indicate that the death toll of those who died of COVID-19, as opposed to dying with COVID-19, is far, far less than originally stated. The death count has been greatly exaggerated. These reports show that only 6% of all deaths associated with COVID-19 were actually attributable only to COVID-19. That comes to fewer than 10,000 deaths. The total death toll listed for COVID-19 (together with co-morbidities) is not much greater than the death toll from influenza in 2017 (~500K vs ~400K). And yet, we didn’t shut down for the flu.

COVID-19 has a 99+% recovery rate for those under the age of 70. In addition, the death rates for 2020 have remained fairly consistent with the death rates from previous years, indicating that there was no pandemic at all.

As LifeSiteNews reported: A recent research paper in the prestigious journal The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences points out these statistics, and then an even more surprising claim: “The comparison is more striking when years of life lost (YLL) is the measure used. Goldstein and Lee (11) estimate that the mean loss of life years for a person dying from COVID-19 in the United States is 11.7 y. Multiplying 377,000 decedents by 11.7 y lost per decedent gives a total of 4.41 M years of life lost to COVID-19 in 2020, only a third of the 13.02 million life years lost to excess mortality in the United States in 2017 (Table 1).

The reason that the comparison is so much sharper for YLL than for excess deaths is that COVID-19 deaths in 2020 occurred at much older ages, on average, than the excess deaths of 2017.”If COVID-19 is not nearly as widespread or dangerous as we have been led to believe, there is no reason for life-restricting mandates.Domestic abuse, drug abuse, and suicides skyrocketed during lockdowns

This CDC report is just a snapshot of these effects:
During June 24–30, 2020, U.S. adults reported considerably elevated adverse mental health conditions associated with COVID-19. Younger adults, racial/ethnic minorities, essential workers, and unpaid adult caregivers reported having experienced disproportionately worse mental health outcomes, increased substance use, and elevated suicidal ideation. Surely we can all agree that domestic abuse, drug abuse, and suicidal thoughts are not life-giving.

Mask-wearing is unhealthy and has the potential for great harm and loss of life
First of all, masks don’t stop viruses. Any virus. It even says so on the box of blue masks you pick up at Target. Secondly, they’re harming people. They increase CO2 levels and decrease oxygen intake. A comment on this website stated:
I am President of a Manufacturing Company in Saskatchewan, Canada. Under Saskatchewan Occupational Health & Safety Rules it is illegal for me to expose any of my Employees to a Hazardous Environment, above 1,500 ppm CO2 levels (Atmospheric is 375 to 400 ppm), or below 19.5% Oxygen levels (Atmospheric Oxygen is 20.9%). OSHA Safety Officers have measured Oxygen levels at 17.4% behind an N95 mask with an IBRID 6 Gas Monitor. Del Bigtree, Medical Research Journalist measured CO2 levels between 8,000 to 10,000 ppm behind a cloth mask and over 10,000 ppm behind an N95 mask which is Hazardous Environment!
If masks do, indeed, restrict oxygen and increase CO2, there may be other unintended consequences. Miscarriages and stillbirths rose over 300% during a six-week period in early 2021. Obstetricians also report smaller umbilical cords, which indicates that the pre-born baby isn’t getting all the oxygen (via the placenta) that he/she should have.

Both emotional and physical health is being harmed by the use of masks. Clearly, these are not in the interest of life.
And what is the benefit for an Christian to resist the vaccine agsinst Sars-CoV-2?
 

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And what is the benefit for an Christian to resist the vaccine agsinst Sars-CoV-2?

and since sars cov 2 has a 98.5 % survival rate, and at the height of outbreak, 80% of people tested for covid were negative, why take one?
 

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Even the elect can be deceived. You don't become unelect because you make a mistake in doctrine !
Amen, sister!
Who doesn't have a doctrine that's incorrect? I once heard someone say, "If you think you have a perfect church, then you better run!" I think that's so accurate. We are all humans, therefore, we will all make mistakes. But it cannot remove our salvation!
 

Aidan1

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and since sars cov 2 has a 98.5 % survival rate, and at the height of outbreak, 80% of people tested for covid were negative, why take one?
No answer to the question.
 

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This is an opinion piece written by Lora Young and published by LifeSite News. It should be read by all. More and more people are coming to see that everything about the COVID pandemic is bogus.

PART I
Lockdowns, followed by mask mandates, followed by talk of vaccine mandates, convinced me that COVID-19 was not as serious as the government pretended, but that the response was going to be much worse. I was proven right.

From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is filled with commandments that demonstrate the value God places on life. A few examples: Man was created in the very image of God. (Genesis 1:27) The strictest punishments are for those who take an innocent life. (Numbers 35:30-31) The laws of purity are all about life. One becomes ritually impure if he comes in contact with a corpse. (Numbers 19:11) A woman is ritually impure during her menses. (Leviticus 15:19 — The means of sustaining a potential life is expelled. Plus, life is in the blood and it is being lost.) Although the Sabbath is the holiest of all holy days in the Bible, the rabbis taught that saving a life was a valid reason for violating the Sabbath. Jesus taught that even alleviating human suffering was a valid reason for violating the Sabbath. (Matthew 12:9-14)

There are those who say Romans 13:1-7 directs us to obey government authorities because they were put there by God. Generally, I agree. However, there are instances, both biblical and historical, where defying the government was not only allowed, but praised. Examples: Moses’ mother hid him from Pharoah, in violation of the law. (Exodus 2:2; Hebrews 11:23)The Hebrew midwives violated the law, and then lied about it, in order to preserve the lives of the Israelite baby boys. (Exodus 1:17-20) Rahab hid the spies and then lied to the authorities. (Joshua 2:1-6)

Many people violated Nazi law in order to save Jewish lives: the ten Boom family, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Oskar Schindler, Irene Sandler, to name only a few. I’m not saying we should be able to pick and choose which laws to obey, but when the law is clearly anti-life, we have a duty to push back. Given God’s overwhelming affirmation of life, can Christians do anything less than value life and resist anything that compromises human life, in all its forms?

CDC, WHO, and U.S. government lied about the severity of COVID-19 [Note: so did all governments]
The PCR test, used to diagnose COVID-19, was never intended to be used to diagnose an illness. In addition, the test has been run using 35+ cycles, which likely picks up harmless virus fragments. The New York Times suggests that as many as 90% of all positive COVID-19 tests are false positives.

Recent reports by the CDC indicate that the death toll of those who died of COVID-19, as opposed to dying with COVID-19, is far, far less than originally stated. The death count has been greatly exaggerated. These reports show that only 6% of all deaths associated with COVID-19 were actually attributable only to COVID-19. That comes to fewer than 10,000 deaths. The total death toll listed for COVID-19 (together with co-morbidities) is not much greater than the death toll from influenza in 2017 (~500K vs ~400K). And yet, we didn’t shut down for the flu.

COVID-19 has a 99+% recovery rate for those under the age of 70. In addition, the death rates for 2020 have remained fairly consistent with the death rates from previous years, indicating that there was no pandemic at all.

As LifeSiteNews reported: A recent research paper in the prestigious journal The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences points out these statistics, and then an even more surprising claim: “The comparison is more striking when years of life lost (YLL) is the measure used. Goldstein and Lee (11) estimate that the mean loss of life years for a person dying from COVID-19 in the United States is 11.7 y. Multiplying 377,000 decedents by 11.7 y lost per decedent gives a total of 4.41 M years of life lost to COVID-19 in 2020, only a third of the 13.02 million life years lost to excess mortality in the United States in 2017 (Table 1).

The reason that the comparison is so much sharper for YLL than for excess deaths is that COVID-19 deaths in 2020 occurred at much older ages, on average, than the excess deaths of 2017.”If COVID-19 is not nearly as widespread or dangerous as we have been led to believe, there is no reason for life-restricting mandates.Domestic abuse, drug abuse, and suicides skyrocketed during lockdowns

This CDC report is just a snapshot of these effects:
During June 24–30, 2020, U.S. adults reported considerably elevated adverse mental health conditions associated with COVID-19. Younger adults, racial/ethnic minorities, essential workers, and unpaid adult caregivers reported having experienced disproportionately worse mental health outcomes, increased substance use, and elevated suicidal ideation. Surely we can all agree that domestic abuse, drug abuse, and suicidal thoughts are not life-giving.

Mask-wearing is unhealthy and has the potential for great harm and loss of life
First of all, masks don’t stop viruses. Any virus. It even says so on the box of blue masks you pick up at Target. Secondly, they’re harming people. They increase CO2 levels and decrease oxygen intake. A comment on this website stated:
I am President of a Manufacturing Company in Saskatchewan, Canada. Under Saskatchewan Occupational Health & Safety Rules it is illegal for me to expose any of my Employees to a Hazardous Environment, above 1,500 ppm CO2 levels (Atmospheric is 375 to 400 ppm), or below 19.5% Oxygen levels (Atmospheric Oxygen is 20.9%). OSHA Safety Officers have measured Oxygen levels at 17.4% behind an N95 mask with an IBRID 6 Gas Monitor. Del Bigtree, Medical Research Journalist measured CO2 levels between 8,000 to 10,000 ppm behind a cloth mask and over 10,000 ppm behind an N95 mask which is Hazardous Environment!
If masks do, indeed, restrict oxygen and increase CO2, there may be other unintended consequences. Miscarriages and stillbirths rose over 300% during a six-week period in early 2021. Obstetricians also report smaller umbilical cords, which indicates that the pre-born baby isn’t getting all the oxygen (via the placenta) that he/she should have.

Both emotional and physical health is being harmed by the use of masks. Clearly, these are not in the interest of life.
I'm sorry, but this is post is just nonsense and frankly I hate the way that some people try to hide behind Christianity to further an antivaccination agenda.

I work in health care and am fully vaccinated (Pfizer X 3). I can tell you that virtually every patient hospitalized with Covid 19 is unvaccinated. My who family including my children are vaccinated as well.

I am firmly in the camp that believes that Heavenly Father helped us discover the vaccines so that we could avoid much of the misery and death that is associated with Covid 19. I have friends who became very sick who had refused vaccination. One spent 31 days in the hospital. He is getting vaccinated now that he is out of the hospital and slowly recovering.

There is nothing Christian about refusing the best means available to prevent death and serious illness from Covid. Nothing at all.
 

PennEd

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I'm sorry, but this is post is just nonsense and frankly I hate the way that some people try to hide behind Christianity to further an antivaccination agenda.

I work in health care and am fully vaccinated (Pfizer X 3). I can tell you that virtually every patient hospitalized with Covid 19 is unvaccinated. My who family including my children are vaccinated as well.

I am firmly in the camp that believes that Heavenly Father helped us discover the vaccines so that we could avoid much of the misery and death that is associated with Covid 19. I have friends who became very sick who had refused vaccination. One spent 31 days in the hospital. He is getting vaccinated now that he is out of the hospital and slowly recovering.

There is nothing Christian about refusing the best means available to prevent death and serious illness from Covid. Nothing at all.
Vaers represents less than 5% of actual deaths and reported adverse reactions.

All these people, MANY of whom are young, would be alive today if they didn’t take the gene therapy:

https://openvaers.com/covid-data
 

PennEd

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Dallas Cowboys to play without 9 Fully Vaccinated players tonight…

 

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Vaers represents less than 5% of actual deaths and reported adverse reactions.

All these people, MANY of whom are young, would be alive today if they didn’t take the gene therapy:

https://openvaers.com/covid-data
I don't believe that VAERS undercounts deaths and serious injuries from the vaccines. I believe that is a fairy tale.
 

Nehemiah6

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