How to defend the doctrine of the Holy Trinity

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"Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." (Hosea 6.3).

from: @so-jesus-e-deus
Are you affirming you are all knowing.

Sounds like yes to me.

Will everyone that attains like you to be all knowing be slippery and dodge questions?

That is strange you are all knowing and cant answer whether you are or not.

Hmmmmm
 
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That's dissappointing cause i always wondered was mary the mother of Jesus inseminated with sperm from God, or did Jesus empty himself into a fetus? What exactly happened?

That mystery is before you.

Show us the real meaning.
 
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2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Since english is all you believe, consider the term "bible believing", Is your doctrine in the bible? If you violates even 1 verse, are you "bible-believing".
All I hear (from most in these parts) is how wonderful your piety and discernment are, but are you bible-believing?
 
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Try and reason that Jesus is not God and you are talking of a different religion to christianity. Try and reason the same for the Holy Spirit and the Father that they are not God and you are doing the same thing.

The word trinity isn't in the bible but the deity of all 3 expressions of God is!

Inferiority in the Godhead equals non christian belief.
YES, beautifully expressed = ALL THREE are GOD and thus the Hebrew word used = Elohim = plural.

The word trinity is not in Scripture but the PICTURE of IT IS.
 
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That's dissappointing cause i always wondered was mary the mother of Jesus inseminated with sperm from God, or did Jesus empty himself into a fetus? What exactly happened?

That mystery is before you.

Show us the real meaning.
Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
Hebrews 10:5

No sexual union between God and Mary = Everything comes from the Father

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
Acts 17:24-25
 
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Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
Hebrews 10:5

No sexual union between God and Mary = Everything comes from the Father

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:
God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
Acts 17:24-25
That is not at all what i am talking about.

The eggs in mary.

That dynamic.

Not an essay on God.
 

CS1

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Thank you for confirming what I have said is true :)

the context and main point of that text are.. you ready?

2 Ti 3:15-17
15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness
17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…


This is nothing NEW but very clearly tell us what the revelation of the word of God will do for the believer in the observation of the text we see

the main point All Scripture is from GOD second point all scripture will "

  • make one wise FOR salvation through Christ Jesus
  • useful for instruction
  • for conviction
  • for correction
  • for training

For the purpose, so the believer will achieve :

Be complete and fully equipped for ever good work.

This is nothing new it is for all this speak only of man and the ability for man in Christ to do and be a witness for Christ.
It is not a new revelation or saying you will know all of the Living God. It is saying here what you can know and do.
 
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I will assume, this is for me. I usually on check the alert button.

He said plainly in the beginning, " Let us create"
Yes it does say "Let Us ..." Who is the Us? The Us is Elohim. Elohim is a curious word. Jews say it means God. But what do you call a false god - elohim. What do you call a person who does the will of God - elohim. Square the circle. God, wooden idol or human?

If it is God's name, then there must be caveats unsaid as the term is used for idols and humans.
False gods. There was a sitcom of a dinosaur family. The father dinosaur asks the baby to say "Papa". So the baby say "Not Mama". The idol is "not God".
Humans as "of God".

There is one God. Any concept of Divinity is by the One God.
 

shittim

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You seem to have a confused concept of the Creator.
Ask Him to reveal the truth, and lean not on your own understanding.
 

shittim

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We know Jesus was born as a man and modeled how we are to live.
He spoke of how He only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say. He taught that when Holy Spirit comes He would guide us in ALL truth as He would only say what He was given to say.
That is more than enough instruction to understand the Trinity.
 
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You seem to have a confused concept of the Creator.
Ask Him to reveal the truth, and lean not on your own understanding.
It is not I who shapes the Heavens. I only take the crumbs and make my worldview that does not take away the Glory of God. I am not a diviner that can see before the beginning. I do not see my God as a Concept but a Person. I don't make broken cisterns and pour in salted water and say it is Holy. Drinking salted waters of the sea will kill you.
 
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I will assume this is meant for me.
Try and reason that Jesus is not God and you are talking of a different religion to christianity. Try and reason the same for the Holy Spirit and the Father that they are not God and you are doing the same thing.

The word trinity isn't in the bible but the deity of all 3 expressions of God is!

Inferiority in the Godhead equals non christian belief.
Here's a conundrum.
If I should sin against Jesus, can I be forgiven? It is written - Yes. If I should blaspheme the Father, what will happen? It is written - I will surely die. If I should blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, will I be forgiven? It is written - No. Can this be squared in the trinity, when all are God?

If there is no inferiority in the godhead, square "My father is greater than I", "My Father .. My God".

I will ask for the verse number if you are willing to share.
 
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We know Jesus was born as a man and modeled how we are to live.
He spoke of how He only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say. He taught that when Holy Spirit comes He would guide us in ALL truth as He would only say what He was given to say.
That is more than enough instruction to understand the Trinity.
I once saw the dalai lama, does that make me the "god king of tibet"? So when I send you a ticket to fly to me, is that piece of paper human. When I read people magazine, am I the editor?

The answers is
"No. But I was within hearing distance to the guy"
"No. It will not bleed when you rip it up"
"No. Certainly not from a tabloid"
 

justbyfaith

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Since english is all you believe, consider the term "bible believing", Is your doctrine in the bible? If you violates even 1 verse, are you "bible-believing".
All I hear (from most in these parts) is how wonderful your piety and discernment are, but are you bible-believing?
Yes, my doctrine is from the Bible; and I am a Bible-believing Christian.
 

justbyfaith

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2 Ti 3:15-17
15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness
17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…
I like the way the kjv puts it.

2Ti 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


What was meant by "perfect" in the days of King James is even what we mean by "perfect" today.