How to defend the doctrine of the Holy Trinity
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As for the forgiving.. have a look at the context surrounding each of these quotes. That is the key. They do not stand alone.
So for example.. The Holy Spirit can be initially rejected for salvation.. as can Jesus and the Father.. now this isn't going to be forgiven because the person is rejecting salvation in the first place.
So-- you see Pharisees attributing Christ's work to the devil, rejecting salvation from Christ.. and the Holy Spirit who indwells a person at salvation. They are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Now.. a person who gets saved..gets salvation.. they will be forgiven blasphemy because they are already indwelt by the Holy Spirit.. already saved. They effectively really can't commit this sin if it means rejecting salvation to begin with.
Also a saved person who sins against Jesus-- will be forgiven all sin past present and future. Same deal.
Someone already saved.. all sin forgiven, past, present and future..(altho of course not without rebuke and discipline and admonishment from God if they fail in their walk).. they can't really blaspheme Jesus, the Holy Spirit or the Father because they already believed.
Someone rejecting salvation to begin with-- like the Pharisees.. they are blaspheming.
So for example.. The Holy Spirit can be initially rejected for salvation.. as can Jesus and the Father.. now this isn't going to be forgiven because the person is rejecting salvation in the first place.
So-- you see Pharisees attributing Christ's work to the devil, rejecting salvation from Christ.. and the Holy Spirit who indwells a person at salvation. They are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Now.. a person who gets saved..gets salvation.. they will be forgiven blasphemy because they are already indwelt by the Holy Spirit.. already saved. They effectively really can't commit this sin if it means rejecting salvation to begin with.
Also a saved person who sins against Jesus-- will be forgiven all sin past present and future. Same deal.
Someone already saved.. all sin forgiven, past, present and future..(altho of course not without rebuke and discipline and admonishment from God if they fail in their walk).. they can't really blaspheme Jesus, the Holy Spirit or the Father because they already believed.
Someone rejecting salvation to begin with-- like the Pharisees.. they are blaspheming.
Consider the following.
Heb 10:1, For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2, For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Now, considering that the word "perfect" actually means "mature" we need to understand that if anyone is mature, they will have no more conscience of sins.
Therefore, are they simply oblivious to what is in all reality there in their lives?
Consider.
1Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we are walking in the light, will not any sin that is present in our lives be exposed to the light and brought out into the open?
Even as it is written,
Jhn 3:20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Therefore, if I am walking in the light, and am not sanctified in the sense of being set free from sin, my sin will be exposed; and I will continue to have a conscience of sins.
If I am mature, I do not any longer have any conscience of sins. Which indicates that perfect, in Hebrews 10:1 (and everywhere else in scripture) does indeed mean "perfect".
Consider also the following.
Col 1:21, And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22, In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
"holy", "unblameable", "unreproveable".
"faultless"
Are you going to come up with alternate meanings for these words also? Do these words also not mean "perfect"?
I suppose that we can cross off holy...for that has been re-defined as "set apart" (however in this re-definition, the word "holy" has been stripped of its meaning, impaho).
One might be able to cross off "unblameable" as referring to outward righteousness and holiness (except that God, in Hebrews 4:13, tells us that everything is open and naked to His sight; and this also refers to the inward parts of a man, which are either righteous or unrighteous (Matthew 23:25-28).
I don't think that anyone can cross off "unreprovaeable" or "faultless" however.
Heb 10:1, For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2, For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Now, considering that the word "perfect" actually means "mature" we need to understand that if anyone is mature, they will have no more conscience of sins.
Therefore, are they simply oblivious to what is in all reality there in their lives?
Consider.
1Jo 1:7, But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we are walking in the light, will not any sin that is present in our lives be exposed to the light and brought out into the open?
Even as it is written,
Jhn 3:20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Therefore, if I am walking in the light, and am not sanctified in the sense of being set free from sin, my sin will be exposed; and I will continue to have a conscience of sins.
If I am mature, I do not any longer have any conscience of sins. Which indicates that perfect, in Hebrews 10:1 (and everywhere else in scripture) does indeed mean "perfect".
Consider also the following.
Col 1:21, And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22, In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
"holy", "unblameable", "unreproveable".
"faultless"
Are you going to come up with alternate meanings for these words also? Do these words also not mean "perfect"?
I suppose that we can cross off holy...for that has been re-defined as "set apart" (however in this re-definition, the word "holy" has been stripped of its meaning, impaho).
One might be able to cross off "unblameable" as referring to outward righteousness and holiness (except that God, in Hebrews 4:13, tells us that everything is open and naked to His sight; and this also refers to the inward parts of a man, which are either righteous or unrighteous (Matthew 23:25-28).
I don't think that anyone can cross off "unreprovaeable" or "faultless" however.
