What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

What did i get all wrong? Destruction is final. It is eternal because there is no coming back from it. The opposite of eternal life is eternal death. Everlasting fire/ punishment/ destruction means what it says and it is clearly figurative as no fire can burn eternally. please make an effort to be a liitle more courteous in your interactions. You never know who may be reading these posts and your tone sets a bad precedent for all Christians.

Yes all go to the grave, except those in the Body of Christ caught away to glory when the Lord comes for them.

Also remember that the full revelation of Christ was as not yet revealed by the Holy Spirit. However Job said - `For I know that my redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth; and after my skin is destroyed this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God.` (Job. 19: 25 & 26)

Hmm?
I guess youre new here? If you notice everyone who chooses to responds to the posts.

What on earth- are you serious? You dont know that Revelation is filled with imagery that signifies something else?
The whole book of Revelation is SYMBOLS. The angels says The lake of fire IS the Second Death. In the same way he says the heads of the Beast ARE kings . the many waters ARE many peoples, the little horn IS…. On and on and on the angel EXPLAINS what the vision/images/ symbols signify!

Perhaps Gardenias you will consider following his example?

Read carefully the verse

”He must reign UNTIL he puts ALL ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET.”

Therefore the judgment MUST take place after that!

God possesses eternal power. And we should be able to understand that God can indeed create an eternal unredeemed body fit for a lake of fire for eternal burning. God is by no means short of combustibles, time or space to do so.

Just as He will create new glorious bodies for justified redeemed believers fit for endless glorious worship in an eternal heavens.

I think the good scholars on this board have disproven your peculiar doctrine more than adequately.

In any case ill respect your wishes.

`Under His feet` means awaiting judgment.

eg, `Sit at my right hand till I make your enemies your footstool.` (Ps. 110: 1)

It's misleading to take one small part of a definition and claim that is what a certain word means. Post the WHOLE definition from now on.

He has not destroyed physical death. not destroyed until after all unsaved dead are resurrected and judged and killed.


You are wrong.The day of judgment is FIRST, then death is destroyed. Sheesh, it's right in black and white. There is no excuse to get this wrong:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

I need to correct my comment here. Yes animal have souls, however man has a body, soul & spirit. (1 Thess. 5: 23) After the fall we see that our spirits were `dead in trespasses and sins.` (Eph. 2: 1)

This will be the state of those who do not turn to God.

Scripture says otherwise:

Both man and animals have a living soul and the breath of life and a spirit.



Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature [soul] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


living= 02416 chay
creature = 05315 nephesh


Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature [soul] after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


living= 02416 chay
creature = 05315 nephesh


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


living= 02416 chay
soul= 05315 nephesh


Both man and animals are a "living soul" according to God.


Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


Man has the "breath of life".


Genesis 7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.


Animals also have the breath of life.


1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.


Man and animals have different flesh, but both are a living soul and have the breath of life.


Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath [ru^ach]; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

What befalls the flesh of animals will also befall the flesh of man. Animals and man have the same breath! Breath here is ru^ach meaning spirit!


(YLT) For an event is to the sons of man, and an event is to the beasts, even one event is to them; as the death of this, so is the death of that; and one spirit is to all, and the advantage of man above the beast is nothing, for the whole is vanity.


Animals and man have one spirit (one spirit to all) meaning the same spirit!


07307 ruwach {roo'-akh}

from 07306; TWOT - 2131a; n f


AV - Spirit or spirit 232, wind 92, breath 27, side 6, mind 5, blast 4,
vain 2, air 1, anger 1, cool 1, courage 1, misc 6; 378


1) wind, breath, mind, spirit


Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.


The flesh of animals and man both go to the same place!


Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?


The only difference is the spirit of man will go up to God while the spirit of an animal will go down. No resurrection for animals, no afterlife.


So, according to God both man and animals are a living soul and have the the breath of life and have a spirit.

The pagan and Roman Catholic ‘scholars’ from the dark ages? Um okay….🤔

Thank you ewq,

I do agree and it seems I got the sequence wrong.

Hi ewq,

I corrected my thoughts concerning the souls of animals, however they do not have a spirit which is where we become God-conscious.

Scripture says they do have spirits.

Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?


The only difference is the spirit of man will go up to God while the spirit of an animal will go down. No resurrection for animals, no afterlife.

Soo.. just to be clear you believe Jesus is now or will be in eternal conscious torment—since you Believe THAT is the punishment for sin and not death? And you DONT believe Jesus when He says, “And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes: and death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more, for the former things are passed away.”— Rev 21:4
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That is one scripture and needs to be in line with all scriptures on the topic. Hebrew `ruwach,` means `wind, breath. And thus we need more details.

In 1 Thess. 5: 23 we see that we have a body, soul and spirit. Then in Heb. 4: 12 we are told that the word of God can divide between those - spirit and soul. An animal is self conscious but not God conscience.

Generally when it comes to Apologetics it would behoove you not to make up stuff on the fly.
The meaning is clear, but obviously not to you.
"Paul has added though that, after that incredible moment, Jesus will dethrone every rulership, power, and authority on earth to take full control of the world as His own kingdom, which He will immediately hand over to the Father. Now Paul emphasizes that Jesus will not hand it over to the Father until He has "put all of his enemies under his feet" or defeated them absolutely and irrevocably. Until that moment, Christ Himself will reign."
https://www.bibleref.com/1-Corinthians/15/1-Corinthians-15-25.html