Genesis 1 and 2 ~ Creation

Webers.Home · Oct 26, 2021

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• Gen 1:16 . . He made the stars also.

God not only made the stars, but He set them in motion too. For example;
it's been discovered that the universe is expanding in all directions like an
inflating balloon; and contrary to common sense and Newton's laws of
gravity, the velocity of its expansion isn't slowing down; nor is it steady. The
velocity of the universe's expansion is actually increasing and nobody yet
has been able to figure out exactly what's making it do that.
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Blik · Oct 26, 2021

Webers.Home said:

And yet mortals quibble about how God tries to explain to them!

Nehemiah6 · Oct 26, 2021

Webers.Home said:

Evidently the universe is not infinite.

"First, it’s still possible the universe is finite. All we know for sure (mostly for sure) is that it’s bigger than we can observe, essentially because the farthest edges of the universe we can see don’t look like edges. The observable universe is still huge, but it has limits."
https://astronomy.com/news/2020/03/is-the-universe-infinite

tanakh · Oct 26, 2021

ewq1938 said:

People confuse Truth and Facts when it comes to Biblical matters. I believe that God created the heavens and the Earth. For me that is both truthful and factual. To debate whether a snake can
lie or whether creation took six literal days is to miss the whole point. The Bible was written in
Parables, signs, types and analogies that point to the first and second coming of Christ.
It is also uses a pre industrial culture that people in any era in history can understand.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 27, 2021

tanakh said:

Not really. These are key aspects of the Creation and the Fall. Why was a six-day creation account embedded in the Ten Commandments if it was not critical? And why is Satan called "the Great Dragon" "that old Serpent" (who deceives the world) in Revelation if that was not important?

eternally-gratefull · Oct 27, 2021

Literal.

And why are we discussing chapter 3?

Nehemiah6 · Oct 27, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

Someone decided to add a little controversy to the subject.

It should be noted that some people have deliberately tried to suggest that chapters 1 and 2 are two different accounts of creation, when they are not. Chapter 2 simply expands on the creation of human beings, and that too very succinctly.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 27, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

I disagree. Hebrew literature does this all the time. Where it tells the same story multiple times only gives greater detail each time or focuses on one aspect

pottersclay · Oct 27, 2021

Thankful2021 said:

Let me see...hhmmm

1.... that God spoke it into existence
2 .....that he made it from nothing.
3......that he purposed all that was made.
4.....that he alone hold it together.
5.... That the very first sentence shows he's a triune God .... using the very 3 elements of time space and matter.
6.....being called the God of the impossible.
7.....showing his wonders and glory in all his creation.
8.....bringing light into the darkness before the sun was created.
9.....and all of this is just the span of his hand.
10...bringing forth life that is solely dependent on him.

Yeah he's got my Duncan Hines..😱😱😱😂😂

Webers.Home · Oct 27, 2021

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• Gen 1:1a . . In the beginning God,

The first chapter of the first book of the Bible doesn't waste words with an
argument to convince scientific minds and/or critical thinkers that a supreme
being exists; rather, it starts off by bluntly alleging that the existence of the
cosmos is due to intelligent design.

• Gen 1:1b . . created the heaven and earth

If the complexity and construction of the cosmos-- its extent, its objects,
and all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --isn't enough to convince the
skeptics; then they're pretty much beyond reach.

The creation story wasn't written for secular minds anyway, nor was it
written for people who indulge in debating and perpetual bull sessions that
never get to the bottom of anything, nor for people who regard the creation
story as something to dissect like a chapter of Pride And Prejudice in a Jane
Austen book club; rather, the creation story was written for religious folk.

"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so
that what is seen was not made out of what was visible." (Heb 11:3)

NOTE: The Hebrew word for "God" is 'elohiym (el-o-heem') which isn't the
creator's personal moniker, rather, a nondescript label that pertains to all
sorts of deities both the true and the false and/or the real and the imagined.

The noun is grammatically plural but doesn't necessarily indicate more than
one. Sheep, fish, and deer are plural too but don't always indicate more than
one of each. There are other gods in the Bible, such as Baal and Dagon, to
whom the word 'elohiym is applied and those gods aren't composite entities;
e.g. 1Kgs 18:25-29 and Jgs 16:23.
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DavidTree · Oct 27, 2021

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

2“Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?
3Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Webers.Home · Oct 27, 2021

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DavidTree said:

I am thus far unable to find Job mentioned in either the first or the second
chapters of Genesis-- in point of fact, anywhere in the entire book.
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DavidTree · Oct 27, 2021

Webers.Home said:

God was speaking to Job about Genesis/Creation

we should accept Genesis ch 1-3 as literal until further evidence is brought forth by God.

Can there be more to what we are currently given???
Yes, but to speculate leads to uncertain objectives and motives.

God puts, all of us, in our proper place concerning His Creation in His response to Job - 38

Webers.Home · Oct 27, 2021

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• Gen 1:2a . . the earth being unformed and void

The Hebrew word for "earth" is yet another of the Bible's many ambiguous
words. It can indicate dry land, a country, and/or even the whole planet.

That statement describes the earth's condition prior to the creation of an
energy that would make it possible for its matter to coalesce into something
coherent.

• Gen 1:2b . . and darkness was over the surface of the deep

This deep is a curiosity because 2Pet 3:5 says the earth was formed out of
water and by water. So I think it's safe to conclude that every atomic
element that God needed to construct the Earth was in suspension in this
deep; viz: it was more than just H2O; it was a colossal chemical soup, and
apparently God created enough of it to put together everything else in the
cosmos too.

• Gen 1:2c . . and Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

The Hebrew word here for "waters" is another plural noun like 'elohiym;
which means it can be translated either water or waters. Plural nouns are
pretty much at the discretion of translators whether to make them one or
more than one in a particular context.

The Hebrew word for "moving" is located in only three places in the entire
Bible. One is here, and the others are at Deut 32:11 and Jer 23:9. The
meaning is ambiguous. It can refer to brooding; i.e. a mother hen using her
wings to keep her chicks together, and it can refer to incubation and/or
quaking, shaking, and fluttering. Take your pick. I'd guess that the Spirit's
movement was sort of like the hen keeping the colossal chemical soup from
running rampant and spreading itself all over the place before God began
putting it to use because up to this point, gravity didn't exist yet.
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DavidTree · Oct 27, 2021

pottersclay said:

Let me see...hhmmm

1.... that God spoke it into existence
2 .....that he made it from nothing.
3......that he purposed all that was made.
4.....that he alone hold it together.
5.... That the very first sentence shows he's a triune God .... using the very 3 elements of time space and matter.
6.....being called the God of the impossible.
7.....showing his wonders and glory in all his creation.
8.....bringing light into the darkness before the sun was created.
9.....and all of this is just the span of his hand.
10...bringing forth life that is solely dependent on him.

Yeah he's got my Duncan Hines..😱😱😱😂😂

lol- love it - ty

DavidTree · Oct 27, 2021

Webers.Home said:

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• Gen 1:2a . . the earth being unformed and void

The Hebrew word for "earth" is yet another of the Bible's many ambiguous
words. It can indicate dry land, a country, and/or even the whole planet.

That statement describes the earth's condition prior to the creation of an
energy that would make it possible for its matter to coalesce into something
coherent.

• Gen 1:2b . . and darkness was over the surface of the deep

This deep is a curiosity because 2Pet 3:5 says the earth was formed out of
water and by water. So I think it's safe to conclude that every atomic
element that God needed to construct the Earth was in suspension in this
deep; viz: it was more than just H2O; it was a colossal chemical soup, and
apparently God created enough of it to put together everything else in the
cosmos too.

• Gen 1:2c . . and Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

The Hebrew word here for "waters" is another plural noun like 'elohiym;
which means it can be translated either water or waters. Plural nouns are
pretty much at the discretion of translators whether to make them one or
more than one in a particular context.

The Hebrew word for "moving" is located in only three places in the entire
Bible. One is here, and the others are at Deut 32:11 and Jer 23:9. The
meaning is ambiguous. It can refer to brooding; i.e. a mother hen using her
wings to keep her chicks together, and it can refer to incubation and/or
quaking, shaking, and fluttering. Take your pick. I'd guess that the Spirit's
movement was sort of like the hen keeping the colossal chemical soup from
running rampant and spreading itself all over the place before God began
putting it to use because up to this point, gravity didn't exist yet.
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2 Peter 3:5 is referring to the God's Design in establishing the congruent relationship between the earth and water.

There are the oceans which the boundaries have been set, there are the pillars of the earth, there are 'fountains' of water within the earth. So you have the earth, 'standing' in the water, of the waters, out of the waters.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 27, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

So why did you say "I disagree"? I said exactly the same thing. Chapter 2 expands on the creation of human beings while chapter 1 gives a broad introduction.

Pilgrimshope · Oct 27, 2021

ewq1938 said:

why not ? If a donkey can talk and rebuke a man

“And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭22:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Pilgrimshope · Oct 27, 2021

Blik said:

I believe that a spiritual God created our world and is trying to make us understand what we can not fully comprehend because we live in a world of the flesh and God exists in what is like a different dimension. Much of our world reflects the world of heaven, but it is impossible for us to fully understand all of creation.

God often uses earthly things we do understand to teach us a bit of the kingdom of heaven like cutting actual flesh before God spoke directly to our hearts to show marking us as His and cutting away fleshly things for such as the spirit of the law, or heavenly things.

We get a glimmer of this kingdom of heaven by studying what Christ said of the laws that govern it that are so different from the laws of the world---like loving our enemies rather than fighting for our rights.

Amen well said

tanakh · Oct 27, 2021

Nehemiah6 said:

Where did I say that the six day creation account wasn't critical or that the great dragon reference in revelation wasn't important?. The problem is that you fail to understand where I am coming from I feared that what I said about the Bible, the way it was written and the spiritual truth that it contains would be misunderstood. And lo and behold I was right. Two major factors would be needed to explain
what I am trying to get across. I would need to write my own Bible commentary with a chain link reference and a readership who really studied and knew enough scripture to care about what they were reading.

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