Gods Standard of Righteousness

are you deliberately twisting (as usual) or do you actually have the mistaken idea that is what OSAS's belive?

I'm not really OSAS...I'm something in between, if there is such a thing, but I know for a fact that people who are OSAS and believers, do not think they can live any ole way they want and sin like a boatload of pagan sailors and still saunter through the pearly gates

you have no idea how many times a person who thinks they are 'God's gift to the forum' says what you are saying here

it is old...very very old...and a big fat lie

that kind of talk, is geared for a personal confrontation, has nothing to do with what another person posted and that is how you operate as you swagger through this forum in different threads

gag

oh the irony

Right....and since I am not seeking to be justified by my obedience, what is the problem?

Is the following scripture untrue?

1Jo 2:3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jo 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5, But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 2:6, He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

I would say that while we are not justified by law-keeping, that nevertheless it is the doers of the law who will be justified (Romans 2:13).

In other words, those who are truly justified have been born again...and as the result of the new birth, they will be doers of the law....not in order to be justified; but because they have been justified.

And I will say again that if anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

God said the following to Joshua,

Jos 1:7, Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.
Jos 1:8, This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
Jos 1:9, Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

And Isaiah wrote the following,

Isa 8:20, To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

It is therefore a faithful statement that if we look into the perfect law of liberty and continue in it, we will be blessed in what we do (James 1:25). We are to be doers of the word and not hearers only (James 1:22-24).

For if we hear and do not do, we are deceiving ourselves.

So, what is it that we are to do? is it not to love one another?

It is written,

1Jo 5:2, By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

What commandments? To love one another? isn't that redundant?

Love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10). That means when we love one another, we will not violate the law (1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

If we are born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in our hearts (Romans 5:5).

Therefore, by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20). It shows us when we are not being loving towards other people If I bear false witness against my neighbor, I am not loving him. Or, if I violate any other commandment concerning my neighbor. When we violate love we violate the law, and vice versa.

So, the law shows us whether we are walking in the love that should be in the heart of every born again Christian, or not.

If we are not walking in that love, we need to question our salvation (2 Corinthians 13:5).

just ONCE, just ONCE, I would like the workers to explain what it is they are so busy working AT

the Bible says we are to do the works ordained by God that we should do

these, good people, are not YOUR works or YOUR ideas. they are 'works' from God that illustrate the love of God and the concern for the unsaved and those who need Christ

they are NOT your fancy pancy law keeping snooty 'we are better than you' attitudes too often displayed by those who think they have a leg up and stand closer to heaven than the rest of us

all our righteousness is as FILTHY rags according to scripture and I have just enough clinical psychology under the belt to understand why

there are NO works that are any part of salvation. salvation is the gift of God through our Lord Jesus Christ

if you are not led by the Holy Spirit in your efforts, you are not doing the work that God actually does approve of

HINT: it is NOT lawkeepoing, sabbath observing or judging other Christians who do not interpret works as part of salvation or part of keeping you saved

(Heb 4:9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
(Heb 4:10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(Heb 4:11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The law of sin and death, in context, is the principle spoken of in Romans 7:14-25.

At least now you are admitting that God can do it even if we can't, by ourselves.

Rev 19:8, And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

Phl 3:9, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

There is a righteousness which is of the law; which is as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6).

And there is a righteousness which is of God by faith (Philippians 3:9); which is as fine linen, clean and white (Revelations 19:8).

The righteousness of faith is of the Holy Spirit. We obtain the Holy Spirit by faith (Galatians 3:14). And when we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

And therefore, the righteousness of faith, which is apart from the law, translates into a righteousness that is attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

As concerning Romans 8:2, the law of sin and death, in context, is what is written in Romans 7:14-25.

Galatians 2:19 is as concerning condemnation, not obedience (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21)

Galatians 5:1 is also concerning seeking to be justified by the law, in context.

2 Corinthians 3:6, I have taught briefly on the fact that we are not any longer, as believers, bound by the letter but have been set free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

Hebrews 7:18-19, indicates something that takes a little more explaining.

We do not obtain the righteousness of faith by attempting to obey a set of do's and don'ts. Rather, we receive the Holy Spirit by faith; and when we walk according to the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us.

When we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law that will condemn us in our behaviour (Galatians 5:22-23). Thus, we become law-abiding citizens of the kingdom of heaven.

This is a righteousness apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21) that it is righteousness indeed.

That being said, if we turn away our ears from hearing the law, even our prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).

The law shows us that we are still sinners; when we sin (Romans 3:20).

When we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9).

Therefore, it is a part of the sanctification process for the Holy Spirit to pinpoint our sins, as we walk in the light (1 John 1:7-9) so that we can be cleansed from all sin as the result.

The law is therefore an important factor in our sanctification.

It should be clear that if we are in Christ, we are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6) as concerning condemnation.

Also, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19; and Galatians 5:18.

That we are not under the law, are dead to the law, and are delivered from the law as concerning condemnation translates into the fact that we are declared righteous by faith alone in Jesus Christ.

We have an unshakable identity in Christ...that we are righteous...even when we blow it (Romans 4:5).

The exhortation, therefore, is, Now that you have this identity, go and live like it (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).

I think that I want to bring the following thread to the attention of this one.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-doctrine-of-entire-sanctification.202171/

Yes, your response is a popular one.

I'd be willing to bet they don't say what you THINK they say.

justbyfaith said:

1Jo 5:2

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Whose commandments? What commandments?

Do you even know?



The Law shows no such thing.

The Law shows you that you fail. Nothing else.

The Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.

The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus delivers us from this law of sin and death.

You are confusing Moses law the old covenant word with the gospel Christians belong to Jesus Christ and his words not moses and his. It’s almost like you refuse to accept that there’s a New Testament that was always promised

actually Gentiles have never been under Moses law but all nations belong to the gospel. Got to have the gospel written on the heart that’s why it’s about hearing and believing the gospel that’s how it gets written on a persons heart of faith

the law will only ever give the knowledge of sin and guilt it has no power to do anything else. That’s why we get baptized it means we have no died and the law doesn’t apply to dead people thier transgression of it is what put them to death

Moses law was for the children of Israel to apply when they entered the promised land the gospel is for those entering this place

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we need “ don’t kill “ written on our heart it only shows we are a sinner who doesn’t understand what repentance is . If we need to be told “ don’t lie “ ot proves we’re a liar . If we need don’t commit adultery on our heart it shows we are unfaithful

If you have a group of known criminals you speak to them by telling them “ don’t don’t do this , nor do this not this or this or you will surely be put to death “

that’s not how you raise and teach children you teach children the right things to do you teach them the right way to go . The law is nOt for Gods children it’s for these children of the world

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s why it’s written as it is it’s for rebels and unrepentant sinners who follow sin so you warn them constantly this is sin don’t sin , this is sin don’t sin .

a born again person isn’t thinking about sin thier learnkng about righteousness forgive others who sin against you don’t condemn and execute them like Moses taught , help others , do good for others ,
Help the needy , be faithful to your spouses stick to marriage, these are the right things , do the right things …

it’s God speaking from two totally different perspectives one to unrepentant unspiritual carnal people , and one to new born children of God following the son of God

you should consider there are two seperate covenants the first witnessing of the last

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

( plainly there the new isn’t according to the old )


But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That last part shows how opposite it is and why it’s impossible for them to be together

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One covenant is about removing sin forgiving it taking it away teaching the person from Gods actual words the other was required to bring everyone to the understanding that we are far from what we’re meant to be and need mercy and restoration

the law isn’t bad it’s just not our law it was the Old Testament required to bring the new in they aren’t one they are two and have two words one of death one of life the law of Moses isn’t Gods law Christs word is Gods law

Perhaps not everyone who believes in OSAS, interprets it as a license for immorality;

But I would say that this does not preclude that the doctrine cannot be taken as such.

There are those who take it as exactly that.

I think that I do; but I'm interested in whether you know the answer to that question.

So, let's see if you pass the test. What is your answer?

The law is the specifics of the love of God for those who have it.

Those who violate love violate the law, and vice versa.

To say otherwise is to speak a lie from the pit.

Nope; the law of sin and death is what is spoken of in the immediate context of Romans 8:2 (Romans 7:14-25).

All the world (including Gentiles) will be found guilty before God as the result of being judged by the law (Romans 3:19-20).

If we have these laws written on our hearts it means that we will not violate them, even in our hearts.