The significance of Christ keeping the Law

Pilgrimshope · Nov 5, 2021

I agree with everything you said if I understand it that’s well put !!

but that last paragraph can you explain what faith in Christ is to you ?

And one more inquiry what about everything Jesus taught his disciples to believe and do when he lived ? What happens to that law that promises this that Moses law never got around to even suggesting

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him

. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s the path of faith right ? Not the law of Moses but the law of the spirit of life in Christ that sets us free

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

TMS · Nov 5, 2021

The perfect law was broken in Eden by Adam and we as sinful people were not able to perfectly keep the law from that day.

We needed a saviour and a solution to death. Sin= death.

Jesus is the solution and the price was paid for us. Gods grace is given through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

So do we then make void the law though faith or through grace?

Do we have the right to continue in sin because Jesus kept the law perfectly?

Should we throw away the law that defines sin because Jesus kept it perfectly?

Jesus said he did not come to change the law. His death did not make the law of liberty void.

If the law can be changed, than Jesus did not need to die, Change the law and the problem of sin is solved and we no longer need to die. But if the law can not be changed than Jesus had to die and pay the price to solve the problem. the same law is condemning us today as sinners and we need Jesus today for forgiveness.

TMS · Nov 5, 2021

understanding the difference between the two laws is vital to understanding what happened at the cross.

Charlie24 · Nov 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

I hope I can answer your question.

First of all, it's hard for some to realize the Ten Commandments will stand forever, it's as demanding today as it was 4000 years ago.

The difference in the Old and New Testaments is that they were not given any help to keep these Commandments in order for them to see their weaknesses in their fallen state. They were to look to the Sacrificial System in order to see Christ as the sacrifice for man. This is how Jesus was introduced man, through the animal sacrifices for sin that represented Him.

Man had fallen and brought down with him the animal world and plant life, even the ground was cursed from Adam and Eve's sin. The scripture makes it clear that all animals were vegetarians before the fall, animal eating animal is a result of the fall.

What is God to do now, destroy man and start again? NO, He sends man a Redeemer to undo what Adam had done, which was to separate man from God through sin. Jesus became the Second Adam that Paul tells us of to bring us back into fellowship with God.

Remember, God cannot let sin slide, sin must be paid for with no exceptions, a righteous Holy God demands it. So man finds himself separated from God and no way of paying his sin debt demanded of God.

This brings Christ to the Cross, taking your place, taking the judgement of your sin on Himself. The absolute Mercy, Love and Grace of God the Father bestowed upon undeserving man.

He not only paid your sin debt, but He has also kept the Law (the 10) perfectly for you by becoming the Second Adam. He has paid all your sin debt, put you back in relationship with the Father, but there is a condition to meet for these benefits.

That condition is,

John 3:16-17

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

God the Father demands for these benefits to be given, you must believe in what His Son has done for you and repent of your sins!

This means to change your attitude toward God admitting He is right and you are wrong. Allowing Him to give you the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit for Christ to live through you in the righteousness that Adam lost for man.

Faith in Jesus Christ is simply realizing you are a sinner in need of a Saviour, lost and undone with no hope in this world.

It means to place your faith in what I have written here, that Jesus Christ has paid my sin debt and brought me back into fellowship with the Father, and all He asks is that I believe Him and accept Him, period. You are born again.

The rest of what is being taught here is after the fact of salvation, the things we should allow the Spirit to accomplish in us for the Glory of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

TMS · Nov 5, 2021

The Two laws
The Moral law, the ten commandments, the law of liberty, are what define sin, and were here before sin.
Deu 4:12 spoken by God,
Deu 10:3,4, Ex 31:18 written by God, On stone,
Deu 10:1-5, Kept inside the ark, .
James 2:11 law of liberty,
Rom 7:19 Spiritual,
Ps 11:7,8 Eternal,
1 John 3:4 points out sin,
Holy, Just and Good Rom 7:12.

The Ceremonial law, the laws of Moses, The laws of sacrifices, and offerings, etc. introduced because of sin, shows the solution for sin, after sin.
Lev 1:1-3 Spoken by Moses,
Deut 31:9, 24 Written by Moses, written in a book,
Deut 31:26 Kept outside the ark,
Gal 5:1 Yoke of bondage,
Heb 7:16 Carnal,
Heb 7:12 temporary,
Lev 4:27-31, John 1:29 points to saviour,
Not good Col 2:14

Compare the two,

Charlie24 · Nov 5, 2021

TMS said:

The Ten Commandments certainly did identify sin as Paul said. But it is the standard of righteousness set forth by God.

If man could keep the Ten Commandments perfectly, never failing one single time, there would have been no need for Christ to have died for our sins, we would be righteous by our own doing.

But it is impossible for man to keep the Law perfectly, no man ever has but Christ Himself.

Being that Christ did keep the Law perfectly for us, by faith in Him God gives us the righteousness of the Law that He demands.

TMS · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

Totally agree
Christ righteousness covers our unrighteousness.
But just because we fail to keep the law perfectly do we give up and through the law out.

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We are not held by the law because of Jesus paid the price for us but that doesn't mean we can continue in sin that grace might abound.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Gideon300 · Nov 6, 2021

justbyfaith said:

It also says that we died to the law.

JaumeJ · Nov 6, 2021

When one loves God with all his or her heart, soul and mind, the law is obeyed in His sight.

justbyfaith · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

While we cannot keep the letter of the law perfectly (Galatians 6:13), I believe that we are not obligated to obey the flesh (Romans 8:12) and therefore can walk consistently according to the Spirit rather than the flesh (Romans 8:4) for an extended period of time; even possibly for the rest of our lives. Sin is not inevitable in the life of the born again believer.

Sin being the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); while as believers we aren't any longer bound by the letter but are set free to obey the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

That being said, our salvation is not based on our performance. We are not justified by the law (Romans 3:20, Galatians 2:16) but through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25, Romans 5:1,9).

Being "sanctified wholly" (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24) is a "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15) given to those who know that they know that they know that they are justified by faith in the blood of Jesus Christ and not through their own performance. It is given as the gift of a clear conscience so that we do not have to go around in our lives feeling guilty.

Until we receive this second benefit, we are justified solely through faith in Jesus' blood; but we still have to work out our sanctification with fear and trembling. As long as we are living a sinful lifestyle, we may continue to have doubts about whether we are truly born again. But when God gives the "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15) of entire sanctification (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 (kjv)), doubts are removed because we are living a holy life. Thus, such passages as Matthew 13:41-42, which formerly brought condemnation, now bring assurance to us.

justbyfaith · Nov 6, 2021

Gideon300 said:

As concerning condemnation; not as concerning obedience (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).

Charlie24 · Nov 6, 2021

TMS said:

Totally agree
Christ righteousness covers our unrighteousness.
But just because we fail to keep the law perfectly do we give up and through the law out.

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

We are not held by the law because of Jesus paid the price for us but that doesn't mean we can continue in sin that grace might abound.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

The imputed righteousness of God is by faith, as long as the faith is there, the righteousness is there.

The term "we are dead to the Law" means that we are dead to trying to keep it of our own strength, as did those under the Law.

The Law still stands in Christ as He fulfilled the Law for us. By faith in Christ, the Father sees us as Law-keepers through our faith in Christ.

Charlie24 · Nov 6, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Paul told us that our salvation is not completed in this life. We have only received a down-payment, with the full benefits of salvation to come at the resurrection.

Eph. 1:13-14

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

At the resurrection we will be changed and made perfect, our salvation will be complete.

justbyfaith · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

Yes indeed.

I would say, however, that our faith can be affected by whether or not we sin (Hebrews 3:7-15).

justbyfaith · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

I believe, based on what it says in Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), that we can come to a place where we have been perfected for ever by the offering of Jesus on the Cross.

I will also shortly send a link to a thread that teaches on what I believe about entire sanctification.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-doctrine-of-entire-sanctification.202171/

justbyfaith · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

If we have this hope in Him, we purify ourselves, even as He is pure (1 John 3:2-3).

Charlie24 · Nov 6, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Yes, the "hope" is the resurrection. "purifying ourselves" is taking advantage of the Cross of Christ, which is the only way we can be pure.
"Even as He is pure" is the example that Christ lived for us and wants to live in us.

TMS · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

The imputed righteousness = we are sinless and the law has no condemnation of us. (justification by faith)
What about imparted righteousness? The righteousness that Christ puts in us to live like Him, (sanctification) The law will not save us but we can obey the Spirit as new born Christians and the Spirit is perfectly obedient to the law like Jesus was.
Imparted = Jesus in us, giving us the power to overcome.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

If the flesh is dead and the Spirit is leading you, the result is peace and obedience.

Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We can't keep the law in the flesh (Rom 8:7), and we will fail on our own. But we have Jesus and the Spirit to help us (Imparted righteousness), the flesh and the Spirit are at war. We need to crucify the flesh and allow the Spirit to rule and obedience will come as a natural result.

TMS · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

What will be changed? No doubt our physical nature but what about our characters. The fallen nature will not enter Heaven.
Will God change our characters? If i delight in sin and desire to sin, will God force me to be sinless. If we are able to follow the Spirit today and refuse, will God force us to follow the Spirit when He comes? Today is the day of salvation. Salvation from sin is to obey the law. Jesus did it for us to Give us salvation but God will not force us to be obedient in heaven.

i'm not saying we will not be changed and made perfect, but be careful, many will think they are saved and be found wanting when Jesus comes.
king Nebuchadnezzar's heart was lifted up and ......
Dan 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Pilgrimshope · Nov 6, 2021

Charlie24 said:

I hope I can answer your question.

First of all, it's hard for some to realize the Ten Commandments will stand forever, it's as demanding today as it was 4000 years ago.

The difference in the Old and New Testaments is that they were not given any help to keep these Commandments in order for them to see their weaknesses in their fallen state. They were to look to the Sacrificial System in order to see Christ as the sacrifice for man. This is how Jesus was introduced man, through the animal sacrifices for sin that represented Him.

Man had fallen and brought down with him the animal world and plant life, even the ground was cursed from Adam and Eve's sin. The scripture makes it clear that all animals were vegetarians before the fall, animal eating animal is a result of the fall.

What is God to do now, destroy man and start again? NO, He sends man a Redeemer to undo what Adam had done, which was to separate man from God through sin. Jesus became the Second Adam that Paul tells us of to bring us back into fellowship with God.

Remember, God cannot let sin slide, sin must be paid for with no exceptions, a righteous Holy God demands it. So man finds himself separated from God and no way of paying his sin debt demanded of God.

This brings Christ to the Cross, taking your place, taking the judgement of your sin on Himself. The absolute Mercy, Love and Grace of God the Father bestowed upon undeserving man.

He not only paid your sin debt, but He has also kept the Law (the 10) perfectly for you by becoming the Second Adam. He has paid all your sin debt, put you back in relationship with the Father, but there is a condition to meet for these benefits.

That condition is,

John 3:16-17

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

God the Father demands for these benefits to be given, you must believe in what His Son has done for you and repent of your sins!

This means to change your attitude toward God admitting He is right and you are wrong. Allowing Him to give you the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit for Christ to live through you in the righteousness that Adam lost for man.

Faith in Jesus Christ is simply realizing you are a sinner in need of a Saviour, lost and undone with no hope in this world.

It means to place your faith in what I have written here, that Jesus Christ has paid my sin debt and brought me back into fellowship with the Father, and all He asks is that I believe Him and accept Him, period. You are born again.S

The rest of what is being taught here is after the fact of salvation, the things we should allow the Spirit to accomplish in us for the Glory of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE
So what do you do with jesu

Charlie24 said:

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