Let us do away with the homosexuals & sodomites

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The record of the pervert Nero is available online to get an idea of the world within which Paul is writing:

"XXVII. Little by little, however, as his vices grew stronger, he dropped jesting and secrecy and with no attempt at disguise openly broke out into worse crime. He prolonged his revels from midday to midnight, often livening himself by a warm plunge, or, if it were summer, into water cooled with snow. Sometimes too he closed the inlets and banqueted in public in the great tank, in the Campus Martius, or in the Circus Maximus, waited on by harlots and dancing girls from all over the city. Whenever he drifted down the Tiber to Ostia, or sailed about the Gulf of Baiae, booths were set up at intervals along the banks and shores, fitted out for debauchery, while bartering matrons played the part of innkeepers and from every hand solicited him to come ashore. He also levied dinners on his friends, one of whom spent four million sesterces for a banquet at which turbans were distributed, and another a considerably larger sum for a rose dinner.
XXVIII. Besides abusing freeborn boys and seducing married women, he debauched the vestal virgin Rubria. The freedwoman Acte he all but made his lawful wife, after bribing some ex-consuls to perjure themselves by swearing that she was of royal birth. He castrated the boy Sporus and actually tried to make a woman of him; and he married him with all the usual ceremonies, including a dowry and a bridal veil, took him to his house attended by a great throng, and treated him as his wife. And the witty jest that someone made is still current, that it would have been well for the world if Nero s father Domitius had had that kind of wife. This Sporus, decked out with the finery of the empresses and riding in a litter, he took with him to the assizes and marts of Greece, and later at Rome through the Street of the Images, fondly kissing him from time to time. That he even desired illicit relations with his own mother, and was kept from it by her enemiess who feared that such a relationship might give the reckless and insolent woman too great infiuence, was notorious, especially after he added to his concubines a courtesan who was said to look very like Agripinina. Even before that, so they say, whenever he rode in a litter with his mother, he had incestuous relations with her, which were betrayed by the stains on his clothing.
XXIX. He so prostituted his own chastity that after defiling almost every part of his body, he at last devised a kind of game, in which, covered with the skin of some wild animal, he was let loose from a cage and attacked the private parts of men and women, who were bound to stakes, and when he had sated his mad lust, was dispatched by his freed man Doryphorus; for he was even married to this man in the same way that he himself had married Sporus, going so far as to imitate the cries and lamentations of a maiden being deflowered. I have heard from some men that it was his unshaken conviction that no man was chaste or pure in any partof his body, but that most of them concealed their vices and cleverly drew a veil over them; and that therefore he pardoned all other faults in those who confessed to him their lewdness."
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/pwh/suet-nero.asp
 
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I did not see the movie " Prayers for Bobby: A Mother's Coming to Terms with the Suicide of Her Gay Son." , but look at the meta-data from wiki

Writer Leroy F. Aarons (December 8, 1933 – November 28, 2004) was an American journalist, editor, author, playwright, founder of the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA), ...

Mary Griffith (main character) was born to a highly devout Christian family, and after a minor incident with the police when she was a teenager, she became a fundamentalist. Later she largely abandoned her fundamentalist perspective. Describing her religious beliefs in 2009, she said that "It's humiliating just to go through the Bible and see the fairy tales I believed, like that business about mixing fabrics."[12] Griffith died in 2020, aged 85.[6]

A gay rights activist and antichrist? Come on.

The Law is forever until it is not
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

As quoted from #21. I think you should take the time to read it.
"Such comparisons are risky when comparing the Greek of the Septuagint translation and the NT Greek. In the Septuagint, the rape of Tamar by Amnon in chapter 13 of 2 Samuel is called "love" using the Greek word agape, v15. I do not think any Christian wishes to equate rape with agape love. "

Interlinear is to difficult to copy see https://biblehub.com/text/2_samuel/13-15.htm
2 Samuel 13:15 (KJV) Then Amnon hated[1] her exceedingly; so that the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love[2] wherewith he had loved[3] her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone.

Strong's greek from septuagint -see below G3404[1] - Hate G26[2] agape G25[3] agape
the love is where it should be, with dear Samuel.

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Thanks for posting the Septuagint Interlinear for it shows just what I had stated. As to the movie "Prayers for Bobby", it is the first half of the movie covering the horror the young man had with the perverted teachings of most evangelicals on this topic that is important; the false teachings that drove the boy to suicide. It is just this sort of bigotry parading as biblical teaching that drives some persons to go into the leftist, apostate churches and the wicked LGBTQ activism!
 
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all three connect to the context spoken of, but they are still 3 completely different instances, you can't add Egypt to either, why try to add 6 to verse 7 when they are not connected in the happenings of each, the Angels in Sodom and Gomorrah, protected Lot and his family, they did Not go have sex with the inhabitants, they were under direction from God and obedient to their task. to try to include those angels into verse 6 is totally inappropriate to the context, you're trying to use "a" word to connect them? you have what happened in Egypt (verse 5), verse 6, then the destruction of the cities, research what the incident of verse 6 is first, you might see why it cannot connect to verse 7, is all I'm saying...

an overview from biblegateway,com about Jude

Although Jude was very eager to write to his readers about salvation, he felt that he must instead warn them about certain immoral men circulating among them who were perverting the grace of God. The NIV Study Bible says these false teachers were trying to convince believers that being saved by grace gave them license to sin since their sins would no longer be held against them. Jude thought it imperative that his readers be on guard against such men and be prepared to oppose their perverted teaching with the truth about God’s saving grace. Jude says it is imperative that his readers be on guard and be prepared to oppose false teaching with the truth about God’s grace.

here again is where you can't connect them as well, scripture confirms scripture

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
While the same topic is mentioned in 2 Peter as in Jude, no one knows who copied whom here. But the comparison you are making fails because the syntax in Jude is different from that in 2 Peter. Historically the church seemed to be divided on what the word "these" refers to in v7; the angels, or the cities around Sodom. But, the Greek scholars in the past seemed agreed that is referred to the angels:

Robertson's Word Pictures on v7 -
"In like manner (τον ομοιον τροπον). Adverbial accusative (cf. ως). Like the fallen angels."

Heinrich Meyer on v7 -
"τὸν ὅμοιον τρόπον τούτοις ἐκπορνεύσασαι] τούτοις may grammatically be referred to Σόδ. κ. Γόμ. (or, by synesis, to the inhabitants of these cities; so Krebs, Calvin, Hornejus, Vorstius, and others); but by this construction the sin of Sodom and Gomorrha would only be indirectly indicated. Since, also, τούτοις cannot refer to the false teachers, Jud 1:4, because, as de Wette correctly remarks, the thought of Jud 1:8 would be anticipated, it must refer to the angels who, according to the Book of Enoch, sinned in a similar way as the inhabitants of those cities (thus Herder, Schneckenburger, Jachmann, de Wette, Arnaud, Hofmann, and others)."

Since the Book of Enoch has been more clearly known from the Dead Sea Scrolls, it seems the majority today believe it does indeed refer to the angels.
 

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Giving over to prurient interests does not please God.
 
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so Jon, you just like to talk about this or what?

a little obsessed is my observation
 

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Rom.1:18-32 is a narrative of man's rejection of the one true God and thinking himself wise, creates idols in exchange for the One True God. These are God rejecting people, idolaters, who are proud of their own perceived intellect and wisdom. Their continued descent into deeper and deeper depravity is 3 times attributed to "God gave them up" in vs 24,26,28 and all three times the cause or reason reflects back to their ultimate sin of rejecting God and turning to idols. The continuous flow of thought goes back to their rejection of the One True God and exchanging Him with idols.

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due." (Rom 1:26-27, ERV)

1. Women changed "natural use", NRSV "natural intercourse", but did not, could not, change their nature.
2. a. changed "the natural use" KJV, YLT.. Referring to the created order, God's design
b. "exchanged their natural function", Amplified, "exchanged their natural sexual function" ISV, "changed their natural way" AAT by William F. Beck (LCMS)

If under a. above "the natural use" the definite article 'the' points back to the created design and order. But under b. "their natural sexual function" would indicate that by their nature, their own sexual nature, these women would have the created order, the created sexual function within themselves, but could only change their conduct.

3. It is common to teach that v26 refers to sexual union of women with women, but that violates the directive of 1 Cor. 4:6 ERV, "learn not to go beyond the things which are written". There is nothing here stating women had sex with women. As the English Baptist John Gill wrote in the 18th century, one understanding can be: "by prostituting themselves to, and complying with the 'sodomitical' embraces of men, in a way that is against nature". This would probably refer to oral and anal intercourse of women with men. From this viewpoint, the word "likewise" connecting v27 to v26 also refers to oral and anal intercourse of man with man, unnatural compared to the created order, but created order does not define sin, God's commands do.





6. The KJV word "lust" here is also an instance where this is the only occurrence in the entire NT Greek, "G3715 ὄρεξις orexis". The "burned in their lust" KJV, or "consumed with passion" NRSV; indicates something extreme, not to be compared with normal love, affection or even a close M-M friendship which may include some sexual desire considering that sexual orientation is a continuum, not neat categories. The word "lust" here is totally unrelated to the Greek lust in Matt. 5:27.

7. The KJV words "working that which is unseemly" in the literal Greek reads "working the unseemliness", from Rev. Alford Marshall in the NIV/Grk-Eng Interlinear. The Greek scholar, Boice, I referenced above writes: "the (well-known, notorious) indecency". The sexual perversions of Nero, who lived at the time Paul wrote, come to mind.

8. What is the "error" meant in "receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet"? From the flow of the entire passage from v18, it would seem to refer to the rejection of the One True God and worshipping idols. The moral degradation described is the horrible descent into the depths of depravity which was sin compounding upon sin, as punishment. Again, Boice in the 19th century writes: "of their error, of their departure (from the true God)". The respected 19th century theologian, Presbyterian Charles Hodge states in his commentary on Romans: "The apostle for the third time repeats the idea that the moral degradation of the heathen was a punishment of their apostasy from God. Receiving, he says, in themselves the meet recompense of their error. It is obvious from the whole context that πλάνη here refers to the sin of forsaking the true God; and it is no less obvious that the recompense or punishment of this apostasy was the moral degradation which he had just described." https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hdg/romans-1.html

a bunch of greek violations and quotes of dead men to say what? Romans chapter one is very clear as to the depravity of sin left unchecked and how it takes the truth and holds it hostage.

Sin like a fire if not put out will consume all it comes in contact with. Paul is describing that very thing and GODs wrath against it which you left out.

sin unchecked is a good application:


18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images of mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.(idol worship)

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(because they did that) God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity for the dishonoring of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise!f Amen.

26For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.



28Furthermore, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, He gave them up to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful. They invent new forms of evil; they disobey their parents. 31They are senseless, faithless, heartless, merciless.

32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.


We see the swift decline od sin left unchecked and just how sin is done in the body of men and women who are 1. refusing to obey God and even worship him knowing HE exists. We see this kind of action from Noah to Moses throughout the Old Testament and in the New. As it is today.
 

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But the comparison you are making fails because the syntax in Jude is different from that in 2 Peter.
You've made a horrible attempt to try to appear as a scholar, or think you know something beyond or different than many scholars have already concluded and still are back peddling and, in my opinion, saying the Bible lies, telling me someone just copied off each other and one is wrong but the other is right. I tried to explain to you, scripture verifies scripture. So, it seems all other resources but your own, as well as, the word of God fails. I fully disagree with your pretense and assumptions in this thread of yours and, now implying all others fail unless it agrees with your narrative. The truth never fails and will remain true, I don't have to be right, or prove anything about truth itself. I also think the word of God tells me to seek that which I ought to know which is far beyond what I think I know. I gave you my observations in reading your thread, nothing more. With all the doctrines of men being formed by men the last few hundred years claiming the inspiration of God, just shows me how much men seek their own in their own vanity of the truth already given from God. I too thought for 33 years I was right in me on the search for truth and found myself thoroughly broken in it. Today, 16 years later, although still speechless in that truth, which I ought to have known, find myself just attempting to help another's joy so, that they too can stand in their own faith in God and not just in themselves. We can know His love, peace and be made free in His truth if we would just seek Him. And as hard pressed as you are in your own journey, I can find my rejoicing in that and the insignificance of our disagreement as well.
 

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@Jon-E Is sex between a man and a man or a woman and a woman always a sin?

I thought we'd cut to the chase so others don't have to read passages written by Roman priests or obscure etymologists.
 

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You've made a horrible attempt to try to appear as a scholar, or think you know something beyond or different than many scholars have already concluded and still are back peddling...
Newbie Jon-E has gotten off to a bad start. The new kid on the block needs to go back to square one. Unless he has a hidden agenda.
 
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You've made a horrible attempt to try to appear as a scholar, or think you know something beyond or different than many scholars have already concluded and still are back peddling and, in my opinion, saying the Bible lies, telling me someone just copied off each other and one is wrong but the other is right. I tried to explain to you, scripture verifies scripture. So, it seems all other resources but your own, as well as, the word of God fails. I fully disagree with your pretense and assumptions in this thread of yours and, now implying all others fail unless it agrees with your narrative. The truth never fails and will remain true, I don't have to be right, or prove anything about truth itself. I also think the word of God tells me to seek that which I ought to know which is far beyond what I think I know. I gave you my observations in reading your thread, nothing more. With all the doctrines of men being formed by men the last few hundred years claiming the inspiration of God, just shows me how much men seek their own in their own vanity of the truth already given from God. I too thought for 33 years I was right in me on the search for truth and found myself thoroughly broken in it. Today, 16 years later, although still speechless in that truth, which I ought to have known, find myself just attempting to help another's joy so, that they too can stand in their own faith in God and not just in themselves. We can know His love, peace and be made free in His truth if we would just seek Him. And as hard pressed as you are in your own journey, I can find my rejoicing in that and the insignificance of our disagreement as well.
I don't know where the scholars are back peddling on this. I have the latest Net2 Bible and it is a 2019 copyright, and it reads:

"You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day. So also Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighboring towns, since they indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire in a way similar to(4) these angels(5), are now displayed as an example by suffering the punishment of eternal fire." (Jude 1:6-7, NET2)

The translator notes in the Net2 state:
4 tn Or “in the same way as.”
5 tn “Angels” is not in the Greek text; but the masculine demonstrative pronoun most likely refers back to the angels of v. 6.

The 1989 Revised English Bible is a revision of the 1971 New English Bible and as to verse 7 they read alike:

"Remember too those angels who were not content to maintain the dominion assigned to them, but abandoned their proper dwelling-place; God is holding them, bound in darkness with everlasting chains, for judgement on the great day. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbouring towns; like the angels, they committed fornication and indulged in unnatural lusts; and in eternal fire they paid the penalty, a warning for all." (Jude 1:6-7, REB)

From the HarperCollins Study Bible Fully Revised and Updated, copyright 2006; using the NRSV;
The footnote on v7 reads: "The Sodomites attempted sexual relations with angels"

From The Reformation Study Bible, R. C. Sproul General Editor, copyright 2005
Note on v7 reads: "likewise. Sodom, Gomorrah, and the other cities resemble the angels of v. 6 in the immorality and perversity of their sexual transgression. The comparison could also point to the flagrancy and pride with which they deserted their proper place."

This is not something totally new or modern. A. T. Robertson, Robertson's Word Pictures reads thus on v7:

"Even as (ως). Just "as." The third instance (Jude passes by the deluge) in Jude, the cities of the plain.
The cities about them (α περ αυτας πολεις). These were also included, Admah and Zeboiim (Deut 29:23; Hos 11:8). Zoar, the other city, was spared.
In like manner (τον ομοιον τροπον). Adverbial accusative (cf. ως). Like the fallen angels."

You are right, Mofastus; it is good and helpful to have civil debate on points of belief based on the Bible. It is helpful to us both and drives us to study God's word. I suppose it is as the Proverb states:

"Iron sharpens iron, and one person sharpens the wits of another." (Prov 27:17, NRSV)

I agree, I have had to change some things over the years where I just knew I was right. I'm 80 and still learning and refining. I'm not having to do significant or major changes in my belief system in recent years, but years back I had to change some significant beliefs I had been taught because they did not match what the Scriptures stated. But there was one major thing I found that helped, a study in good textbooks on hermeneutics, the art/science of Bible interpretation. I suppose we've about thrashed out Jude 6, 7 as much as we can and we still differ. :)
 

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I'm confused also on your view of this subject.

Yes we are to always see the sinner and seek for their salvation. How can we win souls if we hide our light under a bushel!

But I'm not sure if you are advocating for this BC of someone's abuse by same sex,or if you are trying to give understanding.

This is an ABOMINABLE sin,but sin is forgivable and there is NO EXCUSE for continuing to live in sin and say your a believer CONTRADICTORY

Jesus sets us free from sin and we are no longer captive to it. However if you CHOOSE to continue in that sin then you are not free in forgiveness and will be accountable.
 
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@Jon-E Is sex between a man and a man or a woman and a woman always a sin?

I thought we'd cut to the chase so others don't have to read passages written by Roman priests or obscure etymologists.
I'm glad you asked that question. The Bible makes no statement on sex between a woman and a woman, in any manner. Now, I've seen a lot of opinions written in this thread, but I've not seen anyone give a critical examination of a verse or passage in the Bible that states sex between a man and a man is always sin. I see where there are references to abusive sex between men, and idolatrous sex conduct that are strongly condemned; but nothing that specifically condemns a male friend relating to his male friend sexually. Very soon I'll show clearly that there is a case of male to male eroticism in a positive context recorded in the Holy Scriptures.
 

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@Mofastus ,
Lol,love that little fat cheeked red head avatar. Makes me want to chew on those cheeks.....lol
Your avatar is sooo cute looking.
Sorry for off topic comment!
 

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Very soon I'll show clearly that there is a case of male to male eroticism in a positive context recorded in the Holy Scriptures.
No need. At least I won't see it. I now know the set of your sail.

Ignored.
 
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Apparently no one who has been posting can show where I've broken a rule of interpretation or grammar, and therefore can't rebut my posts. I can see that because of the shift in some responses here heading to an argument against the man:

Argumentum ad hominem (from the Latin, "argument to the person") is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when someone attempts to refute an argument by attacking the claim-maker, rather than engaging in an argument or factual refutation of the claim. There are many subsets of ad hominem, all of them attacking the source of the claim rather than attacking the claim or attempting to counter arguments. They are a type of fallacy of relevance.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem
 

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Apparently no one who has been posting can show where I've broken a rule of interpretation or grammar, and therefore can't rebut my posts. I can see that because of the shift in some responses here heading to an argument against the man:

Argumentum ad hominem (from the Latin, "argument to the person") is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when someone attempts to refute an argument by attacking the claim-maker, rather than engaging in an argument or factual refutation of the claim. There are many subsets of ad hominem, all of them attacking the source of the claim rather than attacking the claim or attempting to counter arguments. They are a type of fallacy of relevance.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem
Oh please, Jon. Your obscure references don't fool anyone. Homosexual behavior is sin. You're not a martyr for the truth. You actually have most of the world on your side. This is my last post to you.
 

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Oh please, Jon. Your obscure references don't fool anyone. Homosexual behavior is sin. You're not a martyr for the truth. You actually have most of the world on your side. This is my last post to you.


Agreed
OP responses put everything in order.
Advocation for behavior falls short of ATONEMENT for sin and behaviour.

You do not have to be held captive and there is NO scripture advocating sin. This is an ABOMINATION in the eyes of the Lord!

Seek forgiveness through repentance !
 
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... but nothing that specifically condemns a male friend relating to his male friend sexually. Very soon I'll show clearly that there is a case of male to male eroticism in a positive context recorded in the Holy Scriptures.
LOL... I knew it! From the thread title alone I knew this guy was just a sodomite trying to rationalize his actions. @Jon-E, if you want to be a sodomite, then go be a sodomite. If you want to be a Christian then stop being a sodomite. What you're not allowed to do is to say you're a Christian, and try to bend Christianity into somehow approving of sodomy. That is a fail. A complete and utter fail.

You're 80 years old. How many more gay sex parties do you really think you've got in you? I think you should start thinking longer term. Like eternity.
 
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Let us do away with homosexuals and sodomites
I don't even know what your post is about as your title casts a long dark shadow over whatever you just said. Choosing "do away with" was really a poor choice of wording, unless you mean to say you want to put an end to and/or kill homosexuals and sodomites.

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/
Definition of do away
do away with
1: to put an end to : ABOLISH, DISCONTINUE the motor did not do away with steam power— Roger Burlingameattempted to do away with the entire civic art program— Jules Langsner

2: to put to death : KILL thousands of persons have been done away with in this manner— Manchester Guardian Weekly
 
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Thanks for posting the Septuagint Interlinear for it shows just what I had stated. As to the movie "Prayers for Bobby", it is the first half of the movie covering the horror the young man had with the perverted teachings of most evangelicals on this topic that is important; the false teachings that drove the boy to suicide. It is just this sort of bigotry parading as biblical teaching that drives some persons to go into the leftist, apostate churches and the wicked LGBTQ activism!
You are objecting to the usage of agape in the same sentence as rape (or hate). That is ironic though. Agape as used by the early Christians for the breaking of bread where sodomites/catamites were forbidden. The septuagint written ~3rd century BC used to show that sodomites are forbidden is rejected because agape is used in the translation of "love" in the 2 Samuel verse.
Sodomite is an objectionable term as it was introduced after in 14th century after the writing of the sodomite verse while the Septuagint is objectionable source as it was written before the agape was reserved for the "love-feast". So precedence is not a criterion in your opinion.

I am sure the situation was tragic for the Griffith family. But, your usage of this particular film is telling as it indicates to me that you see no distinction between information from an worldly source and from a Christian source. When we take cultural and moral cues from sources other that the bible are we not "eating things sacrificed to idols".

1 John 4 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.

Mary Griffith became a militant atheist and probably died as one. Though we may sympathize with her, reconstructing one's theology because of her is not a good idea.