How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Sure it is.

Thanks, bro. Working pretty good so far.

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who are asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.

After that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the rapture to precede the Resurrection.

Absolutely! The Rapture is the first part of the first resurrection. You have been circling the field for quite some time now.

you do not want that lie in your heart - do you?

No sir, brother Dave.

Absolutely! The Rapture is the first part of the first resurrection. You have been circling the field for quite some time now.

Hey!


I believe there are a series of events also...

God Bless!

Hey!

Everytime this subject comes up, by His Spirit,
the kinsman redeemer always comes to mind....how the harvest took place...

God Bless!

Absolutely! The Rapture is the first part of the first resurrection. You have been circling the field for quite some time now.

It doesn't. The rapture is part of the first resurrection (the first part, which includes both dead believers and church members alive at this time.)

It appears that you are not fully aware of what the second death is.

My view on the Rapture ---

The Rapture of the Church is a very difficult subject to pin point straight on -----many Christians don't believe in such a process was ever in Scripture as the word Rapture is not in the Scriptures ---Many Christians believe that some Scripture talks about a Rapture of the Church ----Many argue about when this Rapture happens --some say before the tribulation ---some say The middle of the tribulation and some say the end of the tribulation ----So there is a lot to deal with when it comes to figuring out if there is or is not a Rapture of the Church and when it happens ----

I truly believe that the catching up of the Church is in the Scriptures and that they seems to say it will happen Pre-tribulation ---- We can't just pick 1 or 2 Scriptures and make a doctrine out of it ----when considering Scripture Context is everything and Scripture will always answer Scripture ----

There were 2 previous catching up or Raptures of God's people -----Enoch was one ----Hebrews 11 is all about the Faith of God;s People in the Old Testament -----and Enoch is mentioned in that Book ----

Hebrews 11 ESV
Faith
11 Faith is what makes real the things we hope for. It is proof of what we cannot see. 2 God was pleased with the people who lived a long time ago because they had faith like this.

3 Faith helps us understand that God created the whole world by his command. This means that the things we see were made by something that cannot be seen.

5 Enoch was carried away from this earth, so he never died. The Scriptures tell us that before he was carried off, he was a man who pleased God. Later, no one knew where he was, because God had taken Enoch to be with him. This all happened because he had faith.
6 Without faith no one can please God. Whoever comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards those who sincerely try to find him.


Elijah is the other -----2 Kings 2 talks about Elijah ---ESV
--
The Lord Takes Elijah Into Heaven

11 Elijah and Elisha were walking and talking together. Suddenly, some horses and a chariot came and separated Elijah from Elisha. The horses and the chariot were like fire. Then Elijah was carried up into heaven in a whirlwind.

12 Elisha saw it, and shouted, “My father! My father! The chariot of Israel and his horses![b]”

Elisha never saw Elijah again. Elisha grabbed his own clothes and tore them in two to show his sadness. 13 Elijah’s coat had fallen to the ground, so Elisha picked it up. He went back and stood at the edge of the Jordan River. 14 He hit the water and said, “Where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?” Just as Elisha hit the water, the water separated to the right and to the left! Then Elisha crossed the river.

So we see both these people were caught up alive or Raptured ---and we also see with Elijah that he shed his cloak so he shed His clothes as he was Changed from the Physical to the Spiritual ----

Some Scholars say there was 3 Raptures as they count Jesus ---who ascended into heaven
Acts 1 NIV
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven


So the catching away of the God's faithful is definitely in Scripture -----

I say -----Now as to the when for the Church -----well if one really thinks things through and researches Scripture we might see the When ----1 Thessalonians 4 CEB first talks about how we should live to please God ----the second part says ----

Believers who have died

13 Brothers and sisters, we want you to know about people who have died[d] so that you won’t mourn like others who don’t have any hope.
14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose, so we also believe that God will bring with him those who have died in Jesus.

15 What we are saying is a message from the Lord: we who are alive and still around at the Lord’s coming definitely won’t go ahead of those who have died.

16 This is because the Lord himself will come down from heaven with the signal of a shout by the head angel and a blast on God’s trumpet. First, those who are dead in Christ will rise.

17 Then, we who are living and still around will be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet with the Lord in the air. That way we will always be with the Lord. 18 So encourage each other with these words.


I say -----So we see that the Dead Saints will be resurrected first and then all Believers will be taken up together to meet Jesus in the air ---so when do we think this happens ------


In - 1 Thessalonians 5 CEB ----this is about the coming of Jesus -----see verse 9

The Lord’s coming
5 We don’t need to write to you about the timing and dates, brothers and sisters. 2 You know very well that the day of the Lord is going to come like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “There is peace and security,” at that time sudden destruction will attack them, like labor pains start with a pregnant woman, and they definitely won’t escape. 4 But you aren’t in darkness, brothers and sisters, so the day won’t catch you by surprise like a thief. 5 All of you are children of light and children of the day. We don’t belong to night or darkness. 6 So then, let’s not sleep like the others, but let’s stay awake and stay sober. 7 People who sleep sleep at night, and people who get drunk get drunk at night. 8 Since we belong to the day, let’s stay sober, wearing faithfulness and love as a piece of armor that protects our body[a] and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

9 God didn’t intend for us to suffer his wrath but rather to possess salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
10 Jesus died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with him. 11 So continue encouraging each other and building each other up, just like you are doing already.


And in Revelations 3 Jesus talks to the Church

To the Church in Philadelphia
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.


So i say ---this says to me that the Catching Up or the Rapture happens Pre--Tribulation ----it would make no sense for Jesus to say in Revelations 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5 that He is promising to keep believers free from wrath and then leave believers here on earth to go through the Tribulation which is 7 years ----

The Tribulation is for unbelievers and after the First part of the Tribulation which is 3 and one half years Jesus comes back to separate the Sheep and the Goats not to Rapture the church ----and then He comes back at the end of the last 3 and one half years to battle Satan and so there would be no time for the rapture of the Church at that time

My view on the Rapture ---

The Rapture of the Church is a very difficult subject to pin point straight on -----many Christians don't believe in such a process was ever in Scripture as the word Rapture is not in the Scriptures ---Many Christians believe that some Scripture talks about a Rapture of the Church ----Many argue about when this Rapture happens --some say before the tribulation ---some say The middle of the tribulation and some say the end of the tribulation ----So there is a lot to deal with when it comes to figuring out if there is or is not a Rapture of the Church and when it happens ----

I truly believe that the catching up of the Church is in the Scriptures and that they seems to say it will happen Pre-tribulation ---- We can't just pick 1 or 2 Scriptures and make a doctrine out of it ----when considering Scripture Context is everything and Scripture will always answer Scripture ----

There were 2 previous catching up or Raptures of God's people -----Enoch was one ----Hebrews 11 is all about the Faith of God;s People in the Old Testament -----and Enoch is mentioned in that Book ----

Hebrews 11 ESV
Faith
11 Faith is what makes real the things we hope for. It is proof of what we cannot see. 2 God was pleased with the people who lived a long time ago because they had faith like this.

3 Faith helps us understand that God created the whole world by his command. This means that the things we see were made by something that cannot be seen.

5 Enoch was carried away from this earth, so he never died. The Scriptures tell us that before he was carried off, he was a man who pleased God. Later, no one knew where he was, because God had taken Enoch to be with him. This all happened because he had faith.
6 Without faith no one can please God. Whoever comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards those who sincerely try to find him.


Elijah is the other -----2 Kings 2 talks about Elijah ---ESV
--
The Lord Takes Elijah Into Heaven

11 Elijah and Elisha were walking and talking together. Suddenly, some horses and a chariot came and separated Elijah from Elisha. The horses and the chariot were like fire. Then Elijah was carried up into heaven in a whirlwind.

12 Elisha saw it, and shouted, “My father! My father! The chariot of Israel and his horses![b]”

Elisha never saw Elijah again. Elisha grabbed his own clothes and tore them in two to show his sadness. 13 Elijah’s coat had fallen to the ground, so Elisha picked it up. He went back and stood at the edge of the Jordan River. 14 He hit the water and said, “Where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?” Just as Elisha hit the water, the water separated to the right and to the left! Then Elisha crossed the river.

So we see both these people were caught up alive or Raptured ---and we also see with Elijah that he shed his cloak so he shed His clothes as he was Changed from the Physical to the Spiritual ----

Some Scholars say there was 3 Raptures as they count Jesus ---who ascended into heaven
Acts 1 NIV
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven


So the catching away of the God's faithful is definitely in Scripture -----

I say -----Now as to the when for the Church -----well if one really thinks things through and researches Scripture we might see the When ----1 Thessalonians 4 CEB first talks about how we should live to please God ----the second part says ----

Believers who have died

13 Brothers and sisters, we want you to know about people who have died[d] so that you won’t mourn like others who don’t have any hope.
14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose, so we also believe that God will bring with him those who have died in Jesus.

15 What we are saying is a message from the Lord: we who are alive and still around at the Lord’s coming definitely won’t go ahead of those who have died.

16 This is because the Lord himself will come down from heaven with the signal of a shout by the head angel and a blast on God’s trumpet. First, those who are dead in Christ will rise.

17 Then, we who are living and still around will be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet with the Lord in the air. That way we will always be with the Lord. 18 So encourage each other with these words.


I say -----So we see that the Dead Saints will be resurrected first and then all Believers will be taken up together to meet Jesus in the air ---so when do we think this happens ------


In - 1 Thessalonians 5 CEB ----this is about the coming of Jesus -----see verse 9

The Lord’s coming
5 We don’t need to write to you about the timing and dates, brothers and sisters. 2 You know very well that the day of the Lord is going to come like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “There is peace and security,” at that time sudden destruction will attack them, like labor pains start with a pregnant woman, and they definitely won’t escape. 4 But you aren’t in darkness, brothers and sisters, so the day won’t catch you by surprise like a thief. 5 All of you are children of light and children of the day. We don’t belong to night or darkness. 6 So then, let’s not sleep like the others, but let’s stay awake and stay sober. 7 People who sleep sleep at night, and people who get drunk get drunk at night. 8 Since we belong to the day, let’s stay sober, wearing faithfulness and love as a piece of armor that protects our body[a] and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

9 God didn’t intend for us to suffer his wrath but rather to possess salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
10 Jesus died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with him. 11 So continue encouraging each other and building each other up, just like you are doing already.


And in Revelations 3 Jesus talks to the Church

To the Church in Philadelphia
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.


So i say ---this says to me that the Catching Up or the Rapture happens Pre--Tribulation ----it would make no sense for Jesus to say in Revelations 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5 that He is promising to keep believers free from wrath and then leave believers here on earth to go through the Tribulation which is 7 years ----

The Tribulation is for unbelievers and after the First part of the Tribulation which is 3 and one half years Jesus comes back to separate the Sheep and the Goats not to Rapture the church ----and then He comes back at the end of the last 3 and one half years to battle Satan and so there would be no time for the rapture of the Church at that time

Hey!

Everytime this subject comes up, by His Spirit,
the kinsman redeemer always comes to mind....how the harvest took place...

God Bless!

No one taught a pre-trib rapture until John Darby, and Anglican preacher, in the mid 1800s. So the teaching is relatively new. Now, being new does not necessarily mean a teaching is defunct: while God never changes, He reveals knowledge and understanding in a progressive manner. Things that we have not contemplated before, suddenly come alive to us in the scriptures. So, while the ideas are new to us, they were always established in the mind of God.

But the manner is which things are "revealed" should be examined. So let's look at the manner in which the doctrine of the pre-trib rapture came to be a Baptist staple.

Dwight Young, professor emeritus at Brandeis University of Near Eastern and Judaic Studies, personally corresponded with a friend of mine several years ago. My friend was a young lawyer ( as an aside, had George Bush Senior been elected for a second term, there is a good possibility that my friend would have been chosen as a state supreme court judge.) Dwight was a student at Dallas Theological Seminary at the same time Hal Lindsey studied there, so this is more than 50 years ago or so. They were graduate students.

Dwight said the professors were discussing Darbyism, and whether or not it was a valid theology. This graduate student, Hal Lindsey, wrote a master’s thesis on the subject of this form of dispensationalism and the rapture. He later turned that thesis into a book called The Late Great Planet Earth. Now some of you may not know about this book, but it was a runaway bestseller. It made a lot of money. According to Dwight, that is where the Baptists made the switch. They saw that there was a market for this doctrine, and they ran with it. Dwight later moved up to and was a professor of biblical studies, biblical languages at Brandeis University, from which he retired, and he was in a state of retirement when my friend met him. So, 50 years from the writing of a master's thesis, the teaching is so entrenched in the Baptist circles you would think it was the gospel.

Historically, nobody ever thought of this doctrine before Darby. But once he popularized it in the context of dispensationalism, meaning things wrap up within blocks of time, people began to embrace it because they did not have to trust the Holy Spirit. If you are going to have any measure of understanding of prophetic Scripture, the end from the beginning and where we are at this point in time, you are going to have to walk in the Spirit. He is the One who wrote the Book; He is the One who is perfectly capable of interpreting it. And the folly of logic and reason and man-made constructs, such as dispensationalism, will lead you to increasing folly, such as the rapture.

God knows the end from the beginning, and the greatest moment of the Body of Christ is in the midst of the darkness in Revelation. That darkness has no potential to blunt our display of the glory of God, the radiance of God’s glory, or to represent Him exactly. It has no ability to influence that at all. This is the time for the glory of what God has been doing, when He established the heavens and the earth for the purpose of establishing a corporate man in creation so that He might be seen in creation as who He is. He is on a path wherein not only will He show who He is in all of His glory through the corporate body, but He will bring the enemy to judgment as well.

Grace and Peace,

Aaron56

Is not the Lord Jesus Christ our Kinsman Redeemer???

Hi!

Exactly! Amen!
--------
There are DIFFERENT harvests in the Bible…
1) The Barley Harvest
BARLEY. The barley is winnowed. That simply means that it is thrown up into the air, because it is easy enough to remove the chaff from the grain in this manner. This is traditionally done by repeatedly tossing the grain up into a light wind. And the wind gradually blows the lighter chaff away.

2) The Wheat Harvest
WHEAT. The process is different with wheat. Throwing it into the air would not be adequate to remove the chaff. So it is threshed. In other words, it is beaten because it requires more effort to remove the chaff from the grain.

3) The Grape Harvest
GRAPES. The process with grapes is different.
Grapes are crushed.

God Bless!

My view on the Rapture ---

The Rapture of the Church is a very difficult subject to pin point straight on -----many Christians don't believe in such a process was ever in Scripture as the word Rapture is not in the Scriptures ---Many Christians believe that some Scripture talks about a Rapture of the Church ----Many argue about when this Rapture happens --some say before the tribulation ---some say The middle of the tribulation and some say the end of the tribulation ----So there is a lot to deal with when it comes to figuring out if there is or is not a Rapture of the Church and when it happens ----

I truly believe that the catching up of the Church is in the Scriptures and that they seems to say it will happen Pre-tribulation ---- We can't just pick 1 or 2 Scriptures and make a doctrine out of it ----when considering Scripture Context is everything and Scripture will always answer Scripture ----

There were 2 previous catching up or Raptures of God's people -----Enoch was one ----Hebrews 11 is all about the Faith of God;s People in the Old Testament -----and Enoch is mentioned in that Book ----

Hebrews 11 ESV
Faith
11 Faith is what makes real the things we hope for. It is proof of what we cannot see. 2 God was pleased with the people who lived a long time ago because they had faith like this.

3 Faith helps us understand that God created the whole world by his command. This means that the things we see were made by something that cannot be seen.

5 Enoch was carried away from this earth, so he never died. The Scriptures tell us that before he was carried off, he was a man who pleased God. Later, no one knew where he was, because God had taken Enoch to be with him. This all happened because he had faith.
6 Without faith no one can please God. Whoever comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards those who sincerely try to find him.


Elijah is the other -----2 Kings 2 talks about Elijah ---ESV
--
The Lord Takes Elijah Into Heaven

11 Elijah and Elisha were walking and talking together. Suddenly, some horses and a chariot came and separated Elijah from Elisha. The horses and the chariot were like fire. Then Elijah was carried up into heaven in a whirlwind.

12 Elisha saw it, and shouted, “My father! My father! The chariot of Israel and his horses![b]”

Elisha never saw Elijah again. Elisha grabbed his own clothes and tore them in two to show his sadness. 13 Elijah’s coat had fallen to the ground, so Elisha picked it up. He went back and stood at the edge of the Jordan River. 14 He hit the water and said, “Where is the Lord, the God of Elijah?” Just as Elisha hit the water, the water separated to the right and to the left! Then Elisha crossed the river.

So we see both these people were caught up alive or Raptured ---and we also see with Elijah that he shed his cloak so he shed His clothes as he was Changed from the Physical to the Spiritual ----

Some Scholars say there was 3 Raptures as they count Jesus ---who ascended into heaven
Acts 1 NIV
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven


So the catching away of the God's faithful is definitely in Scripture -----

I say -----Now as to the when for the Church -----well if one really thinks things through and researches Scripture we might see the When ----1 Thessalonians 4 CEB first talks about how we should live to please God ----the second part says ----

Believers who have died

13 Brothers and sisters, we want you to know about people who have died[d] so that you won’t mourn like others who don’t have any hope.
14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose, so we also believe that God will bring with him those who have died in Jesus.

15 What we are saying is a message from the Lord: we who are alive and still around at the Lord’s coming definitely won’t go ahead of those who have died.

16 This is because the Lord himself will come down from heaven with the signal of a shout by the head angel and a blast on God’s trumpet. First, those who are dead in Christ will rise.

17 Then, we who are living and still around will be taken up together with them in the clouds to meet with the Lord in the air. That way we will always be with the Lord. 18 So encourage each other with these words.


I say -----So we see that the Dead Saints will be resurrected first and then all Believers will be taken up together to meet Jesus in the air ---so when do we think this happens ------


In - 1 Thessalonians 5 CEB ----this is about the coming of Jesus -----see verse 9

The Lord’s coming
5 We don’t need to write to you about the timing and dates, brothers and sisters. 2 You know very well that the day of the Lord is going to come like a thief in the night. 3 When they are saying, “There is peace and security,” at that time sudden destruction will attack them, like labor pains start with a pregnant woman, and they definitely won’t escape. 4 But you aren’t in darkness, brothers and sisters, so the day won’t catch you by surprise like a thief. 5 All of you are children of light and children of the day. We don’t belong to night or darkness. 6 So then, let’s not sleep like the others, but let’s stay awake and stay sober. 7 People who sleep sleep at night, and people who get drunk get drunk at night. 8 Since we belong to the day, let’s stay sober, wearing faithfulness and love as a piece of armor that protects our body[a] and the hope of salvation as a helmet.

9 God didn’t intend for us to suffer his wrath but rather to possess salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
10 Jesus died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with him. 11 So continue encouraging each other and building each other up, just like you are doing already.


And in Revelations 3 Jesus talks to the Church

To the Church in Philadelphia
7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.


So i say ---this says to me that the Catching Up or the Rapture happens Pre--Tribulation ----it would make no sense for Jesus to say in Revelations 3:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5 that He is promising to keep believers free from wrath and then leave believers here on earth to go through the Tribulation which is 7 years ----

The Tribulation is for unbelievers and after the First part of the Tribulation which is 3 and one half years Jesus comes back to separate the Sheep and the Goats not to Rapture the church ----and then He comes back at the end of the last 3 and one half years to battle Satan and so there would be no time for the rapture of the Church at that time