Galatians 3:10 vs. Psalm 119:1

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Blik

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No. God is simply telling you that if you cannot obey the Law 100% of the time, you will remain under the curse of sin and death. Which is why we have the Gospel.
God does no tell his children they are cursed, God tells them that through grace they are blessed. Also, there is no place where God is telling the His blessed people may not have the guidance of the law, that they may not even consider it. They are to use it, and use it correctly.
 

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God does no tell his children they are cursed
What do you mean by "His children"? The Scripture you quoted is not about God's children. But you cannot see that.
 

Blik

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What do you mean by "His children"? The Scripture you quoted is not about God's children. But you cannot see that.
Are you claiming the occult skill of clairvoyance knowing what Blik understands? This site is about discussing scripture, not the mind of this Blik.

But back to scripture, I did not know of a way to say I was speaking of the people who accepted God as their God and Savior. I called them "his children".
 

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You are a blessing, giving us the words of the Lord. Thanks.
it’s definately mutual I think we all
Offer either some word from scripture or some good perspective or way to understand something
 

justbyfaith

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No. When we read the NT, we discover that there are none who are blameless
I would beg to differ with you.

1Th 5:23, And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Th 5:24, Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
 

justbyfaith

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No one obeys the Law perfectly, not even Paul, the elite of Pharisees.
Paul was blameless according to the law, B.C.

Phl 3:4, Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Phl 3:5, Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Phl 3:6, Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.


Of course, blameless is concerning outward behaviour; on the inside Saul, before he was Paul, had to deal on a very real level with covetousness.
 

justbyfaith

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A person is under the law who tries to follow all of the law.
As concerning obedience, Christians are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

As concerning condemnation, it is the opposite (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6; Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 3:25, Galatians 5:18)
 

justbyfaith

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I Agree with what you say here ---There is no contradiction between between these 2 Scriptures ----God did not disagree with Himself ------

Gal: 3:10 "All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law'"

Psalm 119:1 Blessed are those whose ways are blameless, who walk according to the law of the LORD.
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I say -----Gal:3 is in the New Testament ----where all those who have received Jesus are not under the law but under Grace and are under the Blessings ---the unbelievers are still under the curse of the law -----

Psalms 119:1 ---is in the Old testament and the law keeping is required --This verse is telling the Israelites that there is only one way to have the peace and protection of God and the Blessings of God is to Follow His laws ---otherwise the Curse awaits the disobedient ----

--We have to understand that in the Old Testament God The Father dealt directly with His faithful Servants ------and we need to understand that The Israelites wanted rules from God and said they would follow them ---so God gave them the 10 Commandments ----So the Isarelites brought in the 10 Commands themselves -----God already knew they couldn't keep them---but because of their pride the Israelits thought it would be easy to keep them -----God gave them the laws to show their sin -----the law actually brings your Sin into the Light ------

Exodus 19 NIV ----read all for yourselves to get the Context of this Scripture ----
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus 19&version=NIV

At Mount Sinai

3 Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the descendants of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: 4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.”

7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the Lord had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, “We will do everything the Lord has said.” So Moses brought their answer back to the Lord.

I say ------so we see the people agreed to do everything God has said ------now the 10 Commandments were not the only laws God was talking about ----altogether there are 613 Laws and the Book of James says if you broke one law you broke them all -----so it was impossible for any human to keep the law and that is the same today -----and God had put the Blessings and Curses in place for not obeying Him and for Obeying Him -----So the Laws actually kept the Israelites under the Curses of disobedience because they could'n keep all the laws-----The Gentiles were not included in the laws given ---only God's Chosen nation was included ----

We have to understand that without laws there is no transgression ----you can see that with Cain who killed his brother Able ----and God said Able's Blood is crying out ----and He warns Cain that sin is crouching at his door and he must learn to master it -----Genesis 4 gives you Cain and Able -----God did Curse Cain as just punishment but He also put His mark on him for protection ------God showed His love and Mercy big time for Cain ---Cain didn't transgress any Law ---but he did disobey God with the offering he brought before him and allowed the spirit of envy and jealousy to overtake him as God liked Able's offering but not his ----

Romans 4 Niv ----see verse 15 --read the Chapter for yourselves

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 4&version=NIV

13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression

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Jesus came to Fulfil all 613 laws and to bring the Blessing back ----under the New Covenant of Grace which is a better Covenant

The Mosaic Covenant ---the Law ---required 2 parties --we keep or not keep commands --God gives us blessings or curses ----this Covenant is worked Based

New Covenant of Grace --God is the only party ---Jesus bore all for us --all we have to do is receive by faith what God has already made available ----the Blessings are in place -----our sins are forgiven if we receive Jesus as our Lord and saviour ----which is free --we did nothing to deserve the free Graced gift of Salvation ---we didn't earn it by keep the laws ----this Covenant is Graced Based ---big difference -----

We Christians now have a mediator --Jesus ---the Son ---who goes to His Father on our behalf ---
If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).

That is, the spirit of the law; not the letter (Galatians 6:13, Romans 7:6).
 

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Obeying the law includes forgiving others, including loving others as yourself,
If just follow the commandments of Moses, it only shows that this man does not know the law very well
 

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the prophets are speaking forward to Christ and Gods law

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law of God isn’t Moses word even Moses foretold this

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses is speaking of a future prophet who would speak Gods words

“For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:22-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses words were always temporary until the promised one came to speak Gods words to the people the law of Moses was only an earthly pattern Gods law is what Jesus said

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Bible speaks of two seperate covenant laws one has been fulfilled the other is Gods word
Jesus said that if we obey and teach the least of the commandments in the law of Moses, we will be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20).
 

justbyfaith

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People get confused because they think the 10 commandments and law of the Lord are the same thing.

They obviously are not.


The 10 commandments give condemnation and death.

The Law of the Lord gives Righteousness, eternal life, Love, Joy and Peace.


The 10 commandments do not equal the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Only Wisdom and Discernment given from the Lord can show this. Pharisees and Legalists will fight this tooth and nail in order to justify their continued work at the 10 commandments.

Not sure exactly why. The scriptures are pretty simple and direct.
For the one who has had the love of the Lord shed abroad in his heart (Romans 5:5), it is not work to obey the ten commandments. It is a natural outpouring of grace.

It comes as fruit in the believer's life (Galatians 5:22-23, esp. the end of verse 23).

If we have real love in our hearts towards our fellow man, it is not hard to obey the ten commandments. Obedience to them would come as the natural outpouring of the love of the Lord in the heart.

Love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:8-10, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6).

If you have righteousness, eternal life, love, joy, and peace, you will not violate the ten commandments.

The sabbath day is a type of something that Jesus fulfilled in Matthew 11:28-30. Other than that, every commandment in the ten is fulfilled when we love one another as Jesus loved us.
 

justbyfaith

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"sanctified wholly" is something that happens on the inside.
 

justbyfaith

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Jas 1:22, But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23, For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24, For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


Two of the ten commandments are included as being a part of the "perfect law of liberty".

Jas 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


My conclusion: the law of liberty is the ten commandments.

Rom 6:16, Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17, But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 6:19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 6:20, For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21, What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Rom 6:22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Subjecting one's self to the righteousness of the law is true freedom.

(as we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us)...Romans 8:4.
 

justbyfaith

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Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).
 

Blik

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The bottom line to answering the question of if the two scriptures, the one in Galatians and the one in Psalms oppose each other. What they suggest is that the law is a curse in Galatians and the law is a blessing in Psalms. So----is the law a blessing or a curse.

I feel that the law curses those who do not have Christ in their hearts but are under the law for salvation. I feel it is a magnificent blessing to those who are under grace, who have Christ in their hearts so they are forgiven and accept the righteousness of Christ.

The law is like the guard rails on a dangerous road, it shows us where the danger is.

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JaumeJ

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As concerning obedience, Christians are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21).

As concerning condemnation, it is the opposite (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6; Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19, Galatians 3:25, Galatians 5:18)
You seem to be a bit confused or you are on a rail and cannot comprehend what others are saying,

I doubt seriously if my posts disagree with what you appear to be correcting me on. Please, if you have not read my posts on the subject, do not respond to one as though you understaqnd. God be with you in your studies.
 

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Jesus said that if we obey and teach the least of the commandments in the law of Moses, we will be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20).
Jesus said that to Jews all circumcised and all beholden to Moses law again before Jesus died Moses law was the law
 

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The bottom line to answering the question of if the two scriptures, the one in Galatians and the one in Psalms oppose each other. What they suggest is that the law is a curse in Galatians and the law is a blessing in Psalms. So----is the law a blessing or a curse.

I feel that the law curses those who do not have Christ in their hearts but are under the law for salvation. I feel it is a magnificent blessing to those who are under grace, who have Christ in their hearts so they are forgiven and accept the righteousness of Christ.

The law is like the guard rails on a dangerous road, it shows us where the danger is.

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that’s the thing blick the law wasn’t a blessing or curse it was both a blessing if Israel obeyed but if they didn’t it would become a curse for the earth . That’s what israel did they broke the covenant and brought the curses in it on the earth

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what israel did by constantly breaking the covenant was brought all of the terrible curses written in the law into existence

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ -26‭KJV‬‬

God promised a new covenant to save from the curse

if anyone takes time to read Moses law it’s not hard to understand it’s not our covenant law and has become a curse through transgression

it was a blessing or curse but solely based on complete obedience or one transgression
 

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I have read that God is eternal and never changes..
It is true to say that God is eternal and never changes. BUT, the way He deals with man changes, does it not? Even though Jesus, the Lamb of God, framed all of creation, He was not revealed to the world until ~ 2000 years ago. Grace through Christ was not ratified until the revealing of Christ.

Furthermore, stone is juxtaposed to flesh not timeliness. One law, written on stone, leads to death and in fact is the ministry of death, whose glory is passing away. This law could only produce conformation to a set standard. The other law is written on the flesh of our hearts, our inner most being, and is the ministry of life that produces liberty. This law produces transformation that is on-going because it is dependent not upon a set outcome but upon the Life of the One who gave it: Christ. We, therefore, who are led by the Spirit, may be as steady or unpredictable as the wind because we are beholden to the One who is alive. And we, with Him, will increase in our influence just as His rule will increase int he world. There will be no end to the expansion of His rule up to the end of the world itself.
 

Pilgrimshope

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It is true to say that God is eternal and never changes. BUT, the way He deals with man changes, does it not? Even though Jesus, the Lamb of God, framed all of creation, He was not revealed to the world until ~ 2000 years ago. Grace through Christ was not ratified until the revealing of Christ.

Furthermore, stone is juxtaposed to flesh not timeliness. One law, written on stone, leads to death and in fact is the ministry of death, whose glory is passing away. This law could only produce conformation to a set standard. The other law is written on the flesh of our hearts, our inner most being, and is the ministry of life that produces liberty. This law produces transformation that is on-going because it is dependent not upon a set outcome but upon the Life of the One who gave it: Christ. We, therefore, who are led by the Spirit, may be as steady or unpredictable as the wind because we are beholden to the One who is alive. And we, with Him, will increase in our influence just as His rule will increase int he world. There will be no end to the expansion of His rule up to the end of the world itself.
“It is true to say that God is eternal and never changes. BUT, the way He deals with man changes, does it not?”

he had to change how he works with man because if he didn’t we were dead

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭

at that time all of mankind was yet conceived but a make and female were created and within them was all mankind’s future. If God would have left everything the same as genesis one and two , man would have been extinct by genesis three.

because God made creation and gave man the earth he has been fixing our “ work “ on the plan because we keep transgressing. God actually is a person he’s like us has emotions, a heart that breaks for our deeds and ways of sin and death , he has great compassion towards us has since Adam wanted us to be his children, companions and friends.

he relents often in the ot , he gets very angry and decides to destroy them but the. Moses or whatever prophet are the time talks him out of it this happens a lot

it to Me at least is like we have been bucking our creators love and kindness and good instructions of life since the beginning of time and over the generations he’s growing extremely tired of it but eventually his words of destruction will come and now the New Testament we have the words of reconciliation and restoration now so we don’t experience the destruction and wrath that will eventually come

melchezideks priesthood v Aaron’s helps a lot knowing each priesthood has its own law Hebrews 7-8 explains the issue regarding the law v Jesus word