How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Here is where you veered off from the truth:

The Timing of Paul's rapture is in accordance with the Prophets and the word's of Christ. You see, the rapture was a SECRET up until Paul told it. For rapture information you can only go to Paul who received the revelation of the rapture. No prophet ever spoke of the rapture. All the prophets knew as a resurrection at the end of time:

Dan. 12:1...at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mary and Martha knew that there would be a resurrection day - but that would be of the Jews and Hebrews, as Daniel said, "some to everlasting life.)

If you wish to teach truth, picture the Gentile church of today as a parenthesis inserted into Jewish time, with only Paul receiving knowledge of those alive and in Christ caught up and changed. The truth is, you are looking in all the wrong places for information on Paul's rapture. No wonder we disagree.

This means only one of two possible things here:
A.) You are blind/confused to Matthew ch 24 where the LORD directly states He is Coming AFTER the Tribulation
Blind/confused to Matt ch24 , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 , 1 John 2:18-1 , Daniel ch7 , book of Job, James ch5 that states Tribulation, satan/man of sin/Antichrist comes
before His Coming
Blind/confused to Matt ch24 and Revelation that states His Coming/Resurrection/gathering us AFTER the Tribulation

OR

You are an emissary of satan to say "did God really say" and to twist His words for your desires.

Which one???

Falling away from the truth is very serious. It is also serious that you refuse every Greek dictionary and concordance etc that affirms the word means a defection from the truth, Apostasy. See, you won't accept evidence of the truth not from scripture and not from Greek definition sources. That means you have closed your eyes and won't change your mind.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The word "falling away" is apostasia from where we get the words Apostate and Apostasy. Obviously it means a moral and spiritual religious "departure" not a physical departure.


Don't believe anything that says this event is the rapture. Here are 5 expert sources that prove the "departure" in 2 Thess 2:3 is the Apostasy:

Strong's definition G646

apostasia

ap-os-tas-ee'-ah

Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”) : - falling away, forsake.

Total KJV occurrences: 2


Thayer Definition:

G646 apostasia


1) a falling away, defection, apostasy

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the same as G647

Citing in TDNT: 1:513, 88

Total KJV occurrences: 2





Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament

Apostasia

defection, apostasy, revolt; in late Gk. (MM, Exp., viii; Lft., Notes, 111; Cremer, 308) for cl. ?p?stas?? , freq. in sense of political revolt, in LXX (e.g. Joshua 22:22, 2 Chronicles 29:19, Jeremiah 2:19) and NT always of religious apostasy: Ac21:21, II Th 2:3.







Liddell and Scott:

A defection, revolt, v.l. in D.H.7.1, J.Vit.10, Plu.Galb.1; esp. in religious sense, rebellion against God, apostasy, LXX Jo.22.22, 2 Ep.Th.2.3 .





Winer's Grammar:



Apostasia, a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ; ((Joshua 22:22; 2 Chronicles 29:19; 2 Chronicles 33:19); Jeremiah 2:19; Jeremiah 3629) 32 Complutensian; 1 Macc. 2:15). The earlier Greeks say Apostasis; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24).

You seem to be unknowing of the Scripture and who wrote them = the HOLY SPIRIT

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

pre-trib is a cunningly devised fable = cannot be found in Scripture

How many times must you be told something before you actually GET IT? A hundred? A thousand?
Let's try one more time.

EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.
EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.
EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.
EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.
EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.
EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.

Did you get that?
EVERYONE KNOWS Christ is coming AFTER the trib.

You are trying to make this coming after the trib PAUL'S RAPTURE.
Why don't you spend some effort trying to PROVE His coming after the trib is Paul's rapture coming?

Good luck with that: so far in maybe a million posts over many years in several forums NO ONE YET has given any scripture to prove His coming after the trib is Paul's rapture coming.

Do you know why it is so difficult to prove? Simple: because it IS NOT TRUTH.

I'll tell you what, we can agree to meet in heaven after you have been left behind and beheaded and you can then explain where I was mistaken.

I am going to pray to be found worthy to ESCAPE "all these things," which will be the entire 70th week.

Again I remind you, John saw the great crowd too large to number in chapter 7, NOT IN CHAPTER 19.

The truth is, I am neither blind or confused. You remind me of the famous Socrates' quote:
"the ills of the whole world are caused by those that THINK they know, when in fact, they don't.

You have made it abundantly clear that you THINK you know. We all know you don't.

You seem to be unknowing of the Scripture and who wrote them = the HOLY SPIRIT

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

pre-trib is a cunningly devised fable = cannot be found in Scripture

It requires vast amounts of imagination for those that accept it.

2 thes 2;3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,

Do you realize that" revealed" is used three times in those verses? Revealed revealed revealed. You say it is"something added" then the ac is revealed

We have in the verses ;
Taken then revealed
Then
Taken and revealed
Then
Taken and revealed.

So in your position, you are saying "something is added"
Then the ac is revealed.

But the bible insists " something is removed"

Hmmmmmmmm

Here I was HOPING you would find a scripture from prophecy OF words of Jesus showing the timing of Paul's rapture as you stated.

The truth is, there is no such verses so you couldn't show even one. Did you say, "sorry, I missed it?" No.

Falling away from the truth is very serious. It is also serious that you refuse every Greek dictionary and concordance etc that affirms the word means a defection from the truth, Apostasy. See, you won't accept evidence of the truth not from scripture and not from Greek definition sources. That means you have closed your eyes and won't change your mind.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The word "falling away" is apostasia from where we get the words Apostate and Apostasy. Obviously it means a moral and spiritual religious "departure" not a physical departure.


Don't believe anything that says this event is the rapture. Here are 5 expert sources that prove the "departure" in 2 Thess 2:3 is the Apostasy:

Strong's definition G646

apostasia

ap-os-tas-ee'-ah

Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”) : - falling away, forsake.

Total KJV occurrences: 2


Thayer Definition:

G646 apostasia


1) a falling away, defection, apostasy

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: feminine of the same as G647

Citing in TDNT: 1:513, 88

Total KJV occurrences: 2





Abbott-Smith Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament

Apostasia

defection, apostasy, revolt; in late Gk. (MM, Exp., viii; Lft., Notes, 111; Cremer, 308) for cl. ?p?stas?? , freq. in sense of political revolt, in LXX (e.g. Joshua 22:22, 2 Chronicles 29:19, Jeremiah 2:19) and NT always of religious apostasy: Ac21:21, II Th 2:3.







Liddell and Scott:

A defection, revolt, v.l. in D.H.7.1, J.Vit.10, Plu.Galb.1; esp. in religious sense, rebellion against God, apostasy, LXX Jo.22.22, 2 Ep.Th.2.3 .





Winer's Grammar:



Apostasia, a falling away, defection, apostasy; in the Bible namely, from the true religion: Acts 21:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ; ((Joshua 22:22; 2 Chronicles 29:19; 2 Chronicles 33:19); Jeremiah 2:19; Jeremiah 3629) 32 Complutensian; 1 Macc. 2:15). The earlier Greeks say Apostasis; see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 528; (Winer's Grammar, 24).

Matthew ch24

Paul never owned a 'rapture' - he could not afford it - his blood was tainted with sin.

i know Someone who has the power to lay His Life down and take it UP again - HE said no man takes His Life from Him.

Now this GUY, HE is the Real Deal and not only does HE own the Resurrection, but HE has a rapture in His pocket as well.

the rapture is pocket change compared to the Resurrection

Which, since you keep missing it - takes place FIRST and is found in Revelation chapters 19 & 20.

No, Paul's sin was washed away. Did you forget the power of Christ's blood? NONE Of us would make it without His shed blood.

Yes, I will freely admit that Jesus will come from heaven TO THE AIR, NOT on a white horse, and NOT touching down. He will be coming FOR HIS BRIDE, not for Armageddon. And yes, He will resurrect the dead in Christ first.

Oh, and it was Paul that wrote this! But, you are close: It was without a doubt JESUS that revealed it to Paul.

I have the Holy Spirit inside as the seal and guarantee of an eternity with God in heaven, and the Holy Spirit upon me as the anointing. That means I received the mighty baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of praying in tongues. I suspect you disobeyed God and chose to skip the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

The Post-trib rapture is a cunningly devised fable - not found anywhere in scripture.
It tries to force two more comings into one, like trying to force a round peg into a square hole. WHAM! BANG!
It tries to force a coming on white horses with a coming without horses.
It tries to force a coming before wrath with a coming after wrath.
It tries to force a coming before the DAY with a coming while the DAY continues.
It can never, ever, explain how the church is going to get the its own marriage and supper.
It steals the sheep from the sheep and goat judgment.
It may well end up causing many to be left behind.
It can never be proven with a good exegesis of scripture.
It tries to force a coming FOR His Bride into a coming WITH His bride - making it a theory that is both coming and going.
It requires vast amounts of imagination for those that accept it.
It cannot see a difference in a coming to the air, and an coming with a touchdown.

No, Paul's sin was washed away. Did you forget the power of Christ's blood? NONE Of us would make it without His shed blood.

Yes, I will freely admit that Jesus will come from heaven TO THE AIR, NOT on a white horse, and NOT touching down. He will be coming FOR HIS BRIDE, not for Armageddon. And yes, He will resurrect the dead in Christ first.

Oh, and it was Paul that wrote this! But, you are close: It was without a doubt JESUS that revealed it to Paul.

A compound word should always maintain the meaning of each word such as mailbox.

You remind me of the famous Socrates' quote:
"the ills of the whole world are caused by those that THINK they know, when in fact, they don't.

You know --- this could equally be said to apply to 'pre-trib' folks, too...

It can only apply to pre-trib. Post-trib has the backing of scripture and does not claim concordances "fib" about Greek definitions.

You know --- this could equally be said to apply to 'pre-trib' folks, too...

It's obvious you will do anything to avoid what the Greek word means. Your whole post is blatant nonsense and ignorant of the Greek language.

Apostasia is Apostasy and if you want to do that, you will. You are well on the Apostasia road. When you arrive there, you won't be able to blame those who warned you.