Wormwood hitting the planet

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Lafftur

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We need to stop trying to understand the Mind of God with our mind…

We need the Mind of Christ which is the Holy Spirit - full understanding of the Mind of the Father, His Thoughts, His Will, His Pain, His Joy, His Plan, His Love, His Mercy, His Compassion, His Judgment, His Wrath, His Desires toward us…

Just STOP and consider how wonderful the gift of the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s Mind and Word to each of us individually…AMAZING!!!!

We don’t have to struggle to know God, we can know Him intimately with His Word AND Holy Spirit!

He says, “Come! Come close, know Me. Know that I love you. Know My thoughts toward you…everything you think, say and do..I know them all.


Now, you come and know all My Thoughts, Words and Plans for you individually! I will declare them to you by My Word and by My Spirit. I will speak to you Spirit to spirit. I love you. Come!”
 

Rondonmon

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What makes you think that asteroids are radio active? The short answer to that question is no.
It doesn't have to be the "Radioactive" type to poison the fresh waters per se. The point is God is telling us in a Prophecy that He is going to poison 1/3 of the Fresh Waters, so whether that is some type of Radioactive Nuclear Fallout, or whether it is mere Sulfur falling like as the happened when the Chicxulub asteroid hit, the explosion is going to cause something to poison a 1/3 of all the fresh waters. We could be hit with a heretofore unheard of precious metal, I mean God is God, after all, He can create the Universe, if He tells me He is going to poison 1/3 of the fresh waters, I think it is going to happen, I just understand that the First Four Trumps are all one Asteroid Impact, I am not sitting around wondering if God can create something that has those capabilities!! Thus I point out something that man has invented that can cause these types of things to come to pass, thus God can do this x 1000.

So, the better question is why do you doubt God's Holy Word? It's not like God didn't prophesy it. So, you think God can do it (I guess) but just not in SO & SO FASHION, and I don't get that tbh. God says the fresh waters are going to be poisoned, he could do it via an Angel or via an Asteroid, seeing as it is a Mountain that is cast into the Sea in Trump #2, I tend to see it as the same Asteroid coming in hot, after all, WE ALL KNOW, that Mountains (like Trump #2) do not come into our atmosphere unless they are on fire. We know this, so the Star via Trump #3 is the natural progression.

And it doesn't matter what it is that poisons the fresh waters, the point is, whatever happens, will have a fallout, whether that be mass Carbon Dioxide and Sulfer entering our Atmosphere as happened at the Chicxulub event, or of its Nuclear like via some unheard of metals, etc., etc. God says He is going to poison the Fresh Waters.
 

ewq1938

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God says He is going to poison the Fresh Waters.

It's a third not all. Also,a huge Asteroid would cause dmagae on land etc which is not party of trumpet language. Only water is affected and only a third. An asteroid, or a nuclear bomb (as some think) doesn't fit the language used.
 

Gideon300

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It doesn't have to be the "Radioactive" type to poison the fresh waters per se. The point is God is telling us in a Prophecy that He is going to poison 1/3 of the Fresh Waters, so whether that is some type of Radioactive Nuclear Fallout, or whether it is mere Sulfur falling like as the happened when the Chicxulub asteroid hit, the explosion is going to cause something to poison a 1/3 of all the fresh waters. We could be hit with a heretofore unheard of precious metal, I mean God is God, after all, He can create the Universe, if He tells me He is going to poison 1/3 of the fresh waters, I think it is going to happen, I just understand that the First Four Trumps are all one Asteroid Impact, I am not sitting around wondering if God can create something that has those capabilities!! Thus I point out something that man has invented that can cause these types of things to come to pass, thus God can do this x 1000.

So, the better question is why do you doubt God's Holy Word? It's not like God didn't prophesy it. So, you think God can do it (I guess) but just not in SO & SO FASHION, and I don't get that tbh. God says the fresh waters are going to be poisoned, he could do it via an Angel or via an Asteroid, seeing as it is a Mountain that is cast into the Sea in Trump #2, I tend to see it as the same Asteroid coming in hot, after all, WE ALL KNOW, that Mountains (like Trump #2) do not come into our atmosphere unless they are on fire. We know this, so the Star via Trump #3 is the natural progression.

And it doesn't matter what it is that poisons the fresh waters, the point is, whatever happens, will have a fallout, whether that be mass Carbon Dioxide and Sulfer entering our Atmosphere as happened at the Chicxulub event, or of its Nuclear like via some unheard of metals, etc., etc. God says He is going to poison the Fresh Waters.
Don't your care about truth? You are the one who referred to nuclear. Well it won't be from an asteroid. There may be a nuclear war. I would not be surprised. Peter refers to elements burning with intense heat. I don't know anything else that but a nuclear explosion that could do that.

What makes you think I doubt God's word? All I was doing is to correct your misconception. If you think it is ok to be sloppy with the truth, that's your business. However, it is one of the reasons that the world ridicules Christians.

It is the friction caused by the atmosphere that heats an asteroid. There was one over Russia a few years ago that exploded from the heat. Just as well, it could have been very nasty if it had hit intact.
 

Rondonmon

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Because of Revelation 16,,,,then the kings(corona) cannot yet have come from the east(China),,,,,unless the mark of the beast has already come and been taken and none have understood it yet...wormwood?
There are no such things as "200 million led by Kings from China", people add in the 200 Million from Woe #2 to the Vial #6 Kings of the East and then sadly CONFLATE the two. The 200 Million from Woe #2 in Rev. 9 is 200 Million Angelic Beings bringing PLAGUES (Rev. 9:20) in order to kill 1/3 of those who have taken the Mark of the Beast (Satan can't kill Satan Jesus said a kingdom divided can't stand). And just like the 144,000 doesn't mean 144,000 but instead ALL Israel as in 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel, likewise 10,000 x 10,000 simply means ALL the Hosts (Angels) of heaven, its not a literal 200 million.

So, for starters, you conflate two passages which is a no no.
 

Pilgrimshope

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We need to stop trying to understand the Mind of God with our mind…

We need the Mind of Christ which is the Holy Spirit - full understanding of the Mind of the Father, His Thoughts, His Will, His Pain, His Joy, His Plan, His Love, His Mercy, His Compassion, His Judgment, His Wrath, His Desires toward us…

Just STOP and consider how wonderful the gift of the Holy Spirit to reveal God’s Mind and Word to each of us individually…AMAZING!!!!

We don’t have to struggle to know God, we can know Him intimately with His Word AND Holy Spirit!

He says, “Come! Come close, know Me. Know that I love you. Know My thoughts toward you…everything you think, say and do..I know them all.

Now, you come and know all My Thoughts, Words and Plans for you individually! I will declare them to you by My Word and by My Spirit. I will speak to you Spirit to spirit. I love you. Come!”
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


It’s what hearing and believing the gospel does it changes our minds towards Christ and the truth and our actions follow that transformation

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus came indeed to Make God fully known to us who believe in him he’s calling us to himself in Christ
 

Rondonmon

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There is no nuclear fall out from any asteroid. Most that land are small and do little to no damage. Also, the text says it's a star not an asteroid. That's how we know it's a symbolic star not a literal star.
I don't debate or really even like replying to you in truth sir because you have no mode that ever says you are in error, and about 75 percent of what you say on prophesy is in error. So, I am not going to waste too much time trying to change your intransigent opinions.

It's an Asteroid, your belief isn't going to change that. All one has to do is look back at history to understand how God has used violent Asteroids in the past to drastically change our world. He wiped out the Dinos with one.

There is no asteroid mentioned. The star and mountain are two separate things happening at two separate times. Both are metaphors.
Reuelation 8:8 And 2532 the x3588 third 5154 Angel 32 sounded, 4537 z5656 and 2532 there fell 4098 z5627 a great 3173 starre 792 from 1537 heauen, 3772 burning 2545 z5746 as it were 5613 a lampe, 2985 and 2532 it fell 4098 z5627 vpon 1909 the x3588 third part 5154 of the x3588 riuers, 4215 and 2532 vpon 1909 the x3588 fountaines 4077 of waters: y5204 x5024

#0792 ἀστήρ aster {as-tare'}

probably from the base of G4766; TDNT - 1:503,86; n m
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) a star
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Probably from the base of G4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally or figuratively:—star.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, basically, aster is where we get the English word Asteroid from. No STAR is going to enter our solar system, but an ASTER (or Rock Asteroid flying through space can indeed enter our atmosphere and cause major damage with an IMPACT)

A mountain is not a "large rock". No mountain is a rock.

So, to later on keep people (like you) from saying this is a REAL MOUNTAIN or this is a REAL STAR, God gave us a Vision of BOTH THINGS so we could use our common sense and COMBINE THEM together, hence a Flying Rock (Oros) as Trump # 2 that is pretty large, comes in like a Star (Hot) as Trump #3 says and its actually a Flying Space Rock on Fire which is just an Asteroid, this is why the Greek word "ASTER" eventually became the English word Asteroid.

In the vision it is a Large Rock flying through Space on fire. Of course you and prophesy do not jibe from what I have seen.

It's a third not all. Also,a huge Asteroid would cause dmagae on land etc which is not party of trumpet language. Only water is affected and only a third. An asteroid, or a nuclear bomb (as some think) doesn't fit the language used.
We know it is a 1/3 that is so simple a didn't feel the need to point it out. And it EXPLCICITLY SAYS 1/3 of the Fresh Waters are poisoned, GO LOOK sir. So, aren't RIVER on land?


Rev. 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

You really do not understand prophecy, you think an Angel is going to poison every river in 1/3 of the world, whereas the truth is this Sulfer/Nuclear Fallout/Huge Asteroid Impact that destroys 1/3 of the World is going to also poison 1/3 of te world, and te 1/3 is more of a destination point, as in where it hits. All of your other ideas have shown me this is not your calling sir. Just being honest.

God Bless.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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wormwood/star

a rocket falling from the sky would look like a falling star.

Many believe, and I agree.. this is a nuclear attack. Most likely on the America's
 
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eternally-gratefull

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prophecy is not pa parable.

It is not used to represent a spiritual truth. It is actual events happening.

God uses symbols to represent literal beings or actions. a great example is Nebuchadnezzar, the head of God. representing Babylon.

in Dan 2, we have a symbol representing a literal kingdom, which Daniel himself said was the king himself.
 

Aaron56

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It's apparent how so many will not see the Day coming: instead of using scripture to interpret scripture we inject our own ideas about what the scriptures mean.

For example "wormwood". No one uses that term today unless they're referencing scripture. Instead of injecting "missiles" or "comets", etc., we should go into the scriptures to see that word in context. Additionally, we can read about the connection between "bitter water", water as the word, and illness. These are all very apparent connections that require nothing more than a surface-level examination of scripture.

With that said, Pilgrimshope does a great job showing the connection within the scriptures. Go back and read his posts if you think wormwood and bitter water still have to do with nuclear bombs and/or comets.
 

PennEd

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The Rabbis don’t believe in coincidence, and neither should we.

God uses models or patterns in Scripture as a form of prophecy.

It cannot be a coincidence that the nuclear disaster in Russia in 86 was in Chernobyl.

The word Chernobyl in Russian means “wormwood “.

Pencil me in for a nuclear exchange of some type.
 

Pilgrimshope

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It's apparent how so many will not see the Day coming: instead of using scripture to interpret scripture we inject our own ideas about what the scriptures mean.

For example "wormwood". No one uses that term today unless they're referencing scripture. Instead of injecting "missiles" or "comets", etc., we should go into the scriptures to see that word in context. Additionally, we can read about the connection between "bitter water", water as the word, and illness. These are all very apparent connections that require nothing more than a surface-level examination of scripture.

With that said, Pilgrimshope does a great job showing the connection within the scriptures. Go back and read his posts if you think wormwood and bitter water still have to do with nuclear bombs and/or comets.
“instead of using scripture to interpret scripture we inject our own ideas about what the scriptures mean.”

that’s the only reason people say “ the Bible is hard to understand “ we try to take each scripture and interpret what it could mean , rather than letting prior scriptire build for us the meaning of latter scripture

it’s all about prophecy and fulfillment the prophets establish an understanding of what was going to come one day and the gospel is that one day coming to pass and the epistles witness it’s truth
 
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eternally-gratefull

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It's apparent how so many will not see the Day coming: instead of using scripture to interpret scripture we inject our own ideas about what the scriptures mean.

For example "wormwood". No one uses that term today unless they're referencing scripture. Instead of injecting "missiles" or "comets", etc., we should go into the scriptures to see that word in context. Additionally, we can read about the connection between "bitter water", water as the word, and illness. These are all very apparent connections that require nothing more than a surface-level examination of scripture.

With that said, Pilgrimshope does a great job showing the connection within the scriptures. Go back and read his posts if you think wormwood and bitter water still have to do with nuclear bombs and/or comets.
I read what he said, And he tries to make revelation sound like symbolic or parabolic language,

We can not do this with prophecy, It is not a parable or symbolic language used to try to explain a spiritual meaning or truth.

As I showed above, Symbols are used to reveal true literal events. The example I gave was babylon as the head of Gold.

We can also use all of the prophecy related to Christs first advent, including Dan 9 up until the time he was cut off

We can also use the prophecies concerning Assyria and the north and other prophecies as a biblical historical precedence. (Use the interpretation f already fulfilled prophecy to determine future or unfulfilled prophecy.

Rev, in this passage, John sees Stars, What we have to determine is what Are these stars that fell to earth and causes a great earthquake, And also causes 1/3 of the waters to become “bitter” and many men who drink it to die.

The stars falling, 1/3 of the waters becoming contaminated and men dieing are literal events.

We can try to say what we THINK it is (actual falling stars or meteors, or other events which to johns eyes appear to be falling stars, like missiles or other things)

but we will not KNOW what the actual truth is until it happens.

What we can know. Is it is NOT a symbolic event trying to teach a spiritual truth. Because that is not prophecy.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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“instead of using scripture to interpret scripture we inject our own ideas about what the scriptures mean.”

that’s the only reason people say “ the Bible is hard to understand “ we try to take each scripture and interpret what it could mean , rather than letting prior scriptire build for us the meaning of latter scripture

it’s all about prophecy and fulfillment the prophets establish an understanding of what was going to come one day and the gospel is that one day coming to pass and the epistles witness it’s truth
We don;t take prophecy and make it symbolic like we do parables.

God uses prophecy for a specific purpose. If the people living at the time the prophetic event occures can not literally see it and read it as actually happening. then prophecy is meaningless. And we can make prophecy say what ever we want it to say.
 

Aaron56

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What we can know. Is it is NOT a symbolic event trying to teach a spiritual truth. Because that is not prophecy.
And the Lamb of God was a barn animal?

The Book of Revelation is highly symbolic, but it is not so dense to be impenetrable. The reason is, so many of the things that have been spoken in the Book of Revelation by symbol has been spoken of before in Scripture, whether by direct reference or by analogy. For example, the sealing of the people of God, which precludes them or grants them immunity from the terrifying judgments that are coming upon the earth, is analogous to the way that Israel, in the land of Goshen, in the time of Egypt and the plagues, were sealed by the blood of a lamb on two sides of the door and on the lintel. So the structure of the doorway had the blood on it, and it prevented the weaponry that God was using, which was, of course, the use of destruction and death, even referred to as spirits or angels. The destroyer—and if you want to extend it, the plagues—did not have an effect upon the people of God in Egypt. Why? Because they were sealed; in a type and shadow of Christ, they were sealed by the blood of a lamb, the reminder of an existing covenant. We see the same patterns occurring again and again and again throughout the Scripture. God does that so that when we are coming to these not easy to be understood prophetic passages, it is not as though we are taking a shot in the dark. We may
walk on the illuminated path of the word revealed.

Here, in Revelation, we have got the entire theme of Scripture coming to its apogee. There is this inevitable clash between the destiny of the man in the image and likeness of God and the enemy of that man and God. In the presentation of the final iteration of the man in the image and likeness of God, he is shown not from an earthly standpoint, but he is shown from a heavenly standpoint. And by that I specifically mean, there are set pieces and images that show Christ no longer Mary’s Son, the Man from Galilee and Nazareth, but a Man from the eternal realm, and described similarly as a Man from heaven. So, He comes and He meets with John on the island of Patmos, and He is not the familiar Lord who sat at the table with John. He is presented in His glory. And so awesome, this Man, that John falls before Him as if John is dead. But we begin to see that very description of the risen Christ, having come back to visit John on the island of Patmos, is an easy transfer to all the ways that this glorified Body of Christ is also described: described as the man above the waters; described as the four living creatures; described as this innumerable company, perfectly constituted, who is the naos of God, the temple of God, the dwelling place of God; who acts with great power and authority, being supported by the throne of God.

We see the glorious inheritance of the saints, we see the workings of His mighty power, we see the identity and purpose of God fully completed when we stand before the throne of God. So, both prophetic Scripture and plainly written Scripture, such as Ephesians, are summarized when this man in the image and likeness of God is presented in his finality. All natural events correlate to spiritual truths. And truths are not principles, they are foundations onto which entire kingdoms have been built.

But the point of it is, and the value of understanding the reoccurring themes of Scripture is, this is how God means to communicate with you, so that when these Scriptures that are yet to be unpacked are unpacked, you have that aha! moment. Here is what Romans 15:4 says: “For whatsoever things were written before time, were written for our learning, so that we through patience and the comfort of Scripture might have hope.” This is the manner in which prophetic Scriptures are specifically a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path, so that we do not walk in darkness, we who are in Christ, who is Himself the Word, whose person has been revealed to us through the Holy Spirit, who was specifically sent to take of what belongs to Jesus and to make it known to us, and that in the timing of the Lord.
 

Rondonmon

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Don't your care about truth? You are the one who referred to nuclear. Well it won't be from an asteroid. There may be a nuclear war. I would not be surprised. Peter refers to elements burning with intense heat. I don't know anything else that but a nuclear explosion that could do that.

What makes you think I doubt God's word? All I was doing is to correct your misconception. If you think it is ok to be sloppy with the truth, that's your business. However, it is one of the reasons that the world ridicules Christians.

It is the friction caused by the atmosphere that heats an asteroid. There was one over Russia a few years ago that exploded from the heat. Just as well, it could have been very nasty if it had hit intact.
The TRUTH is it is going to be poisonous in nature, and that will be for God to decide HOW that comes to pass, of course it can be "Nuclear like", it can be "falling sulfer", it can be some form of precious metals that do not exist on this earth that contaminates the fresh waters, the only point that matters to me is that this incoming Asteroid's IMPACT is going to cause all the Fresh Waters in 1/3 of the World to become poisonous in nature. Me describing varied ways that can happen matters not unto me, its just pointing out the obvious, God will bring His plagues onto mankind as He sees fit, the facts that this will be with an Astetoid is not even in question, you asking me for SPECIFICS WHICH only God will ultimately know is kind of odd to be honest. I am painting the BIG PICTURE which an Asteroid Impact will bring with it, not per se saying God is pigeonholed into using this type of meteor/asteroid or that type, because the type is not specified.

So, we get to the gist, you really do understand the overall POINT, you just disagree with how the Plague will be brought, so instead of making that argument, we had to run aroud in circles for no reason. Just make your point to start with man, then I can go from there. :giggle:

So, you say there will be a Nuclear War, I can dig that, and there may be some Nukes used by the Anti-Christ, but the above is not the Anti-Christs doings, it is God's Wrath, so think here for a moment, do you think God will use Nukes to bring His Judgment? Of course not, God will just use a Space Rock (Oros and Aster) that comes in on fire with Mega Powers to do His will.

Peter's description is not for "now", but for after the 1000 year reign when Jesus brings down a New Jerusalem and in my honest opinion, this earth becomes HELL for the Wicked who are all raised up after the 1000 year reign via the Second Resurrection. So, why does Jesus allow Satan out after the 1000 years? Because all of the Wicked who have been raised, and all of those who were sinners and kept in line under Jesus' rule via the Rod of Iron will once and for all be burned on this earth, forever and ever via a fire that will never be quenched, and we all go to live in the New Jerusalem for ever an ever. Peter does describes it well, but doesn't describe the timing very well tbh.

I am correct on these things, I have been "actually called unto Prophecy" (unlike most who try to discern these things) now for over 35 years. As per the world ridiculing Christians, so what if they do, who cares what the world thinks, LOL, now I agree, those who say the world is only 6000 years old does damage via gaining souls because then young people think to themselves, these people must beleive in fairytales. I have a blog showing how the earth is 13.7 billion years old and how the First Day or YOWM (Period of time) lasted 9.2 billion years. And how the Fourth day was not God creating the "Sun/Lights again" but instead God created "THE SEASONS" via the Earth and Moon colliding to give us a Satellite that gives us our seasons where the weather is not so violent, else we could not live on this earth at all.

Yes indeed our atmosphere was designed to help stop asteroid impacts, as well as the moon. I reseect others opinions, but these are (REMEBER) God's Plagues/Wrath, not men, thus it is not a Nuclear Weapon.
 

Pilgrimshope

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And the Lamb of God was a barn animal?

The Book of Revelation is highly symbolic, but it is not so dense to be impenetrable. The reason is, so many of the things that have been spoken in the Book of Revelation by symbol has been spoken of before in Scripture, whether by direct reference or by analogy. For example, the sealing of the people of God, which precludes them or grants them immunity from the terrifying judgments that are coming upon the earth, is analogous to the way that Israel, in the land of Goshen, in the time of Egypt and the plagues, were sealed by the blood of a lamb on two sides of the door and on the lintel. So the structure of the doorway had the blood on it, and it prevented the weaponry that God was using, which was, of course, the use of destruction and death, even referred to as spirits or angels. The destroyer—and if you want to extend it, the plagues—did not have an effect upon the people of God in Egypt. Why? Because they were sealed; in a type and shadow of Christ, they were sealed by the blood of a lamb, the reminder of an existing covenant. We see the same patterns occurring again and again and again throughout the Scripture. God does that so that when we are coming to these not easy to be understood prophetic passages, it is not as though we are taking a shot in the dark. We may
walk on the illuminated path of the word revealed.

Here, in Revelation, we have got the entire theme of Scripture coming to its apogee. There is this inevitable clash between the destiny of the man in the image and likeness of God and the enemy of that man and God. In the presentation of the final iteration of the man in the image and likeness of God, he is shown not from an earthly standpoint, but he is shown from a heavenly standpoint. And by that I specifically mean, there are set pieces and images that show Christ no longer Mary’s Son, the Man from Galilee and Nazareth, but a Man from the eternal realm, and described similarly as a Man from heaven. So, He comes and He meets with John on the island of Patmos, and He is not the familiar Lord who sat at the table with John. He is presented in His glory. And so awesome, this Man, that John falls before Him as if John is dead. But we begin to see that very description of the risen Christ, having come back to visit John on the island of Patmos, is an easy transfer to all the ways that this glorified Body of Christ is also described: described as the man above the waters; described as the four living creatures; described as this innumerable company, perfectly constituted, who is the naos of God, the temple of God, the dwelling place of God; who acts with great power and authority, being supported by the throne of God.

We see the glorious inheritance of the saints, we see the workings of His mighty power, we see the identity and purpose of God fully completed when we stand before the throne of God. So, both prophetic Scripture and plainly written Scripture, such as Ephesians, are summarized when this man in the image and likeness of God is presented in his finality. All natural events correlate to spiritual truths. And truths are not principles, they are foundations onto which entire kingdoms have been built.

But the point of it is, and the value of understanding the reoccurring themes of Scripture is, this is how God means to communicate with you, so that when these Scriptures that are yet to be unpacked are unpacked, you have that aha! moment. Here is what Romans 15:4 says: “For whatsoever things were written before time, were written for our learning, so that we through patience and the comfort of Scripture might have hope.” This is the manner in which prophetic Scriptures are specifically a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our path, so that we do not walk in darkness, we who are in Christ, who is Himself the Word, whose person has been revealed to us through the Holy Spirit, who was specifically sent to take of what belongs to Jesus and to make it known to us, and that in the timing of the Lord.
yes the law and thkngs in Moses first five books are a letter a physical pattern for earth of what God was saying from heaven would come in Christ.

so the Passover lamb for instance . Each family chose a lamb male and spotless and it was sacrificed for the family so that the plague of death would Passover them and not harm those covered by the blood of the Passover lamb.

it began here with the promise of faith that God himself would Provide the lamb for the sacrifice even though Gods word called Abraham to sacrifice isaac Abraham had faith in Gods provision for isaacs life and so we have the lamb of God

“And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:7-8‬ ‭

And a Abraham’s word of faith that God would provide a lamb is fulfilled

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:29‬ ‭

whether a Passover sacrifice , sin sacrifice , burnt offering , peace offering Christs sacrifice fulfills it like the Passover feast and sacrifice

“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;

but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭5:7-8‬ ‭

Or burnt offering

“For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Whether it’s the sin sacrifice of yearly atonement sacrifice even the daily sacrifice Christs sacrifice fulfills all
Of them in one action forever. The phrase “ the lamb of God “ we see in revelation is well established in scripture who it is and why he is called the lamb of God and what he’s being made king and ruler of in revelation chapter 5 and why he’s being recognized as worthy

it seems to me that the prophets explain a lot before it was manifest , and then it comes to pass in the nt and revelation is showing us the new order going forward and showing us the Bible has one message of Jesus Christ who’s revelation is given to John and corresponds with the message that’s always been told of Gods son being sacrificed for mans sin rising from death and being glorified as the king eternal

he is the lamb of God , the promised son of God , the promised Good shepherd , son of man , prince of peace , everlasting father , holy one of Israel , lord of hosts , immanuel God with us “ all those ot figures are witnessing Christ beforehand and revealing the purposes he would fulfill like the sacrifice of atonement they had followed the pattern of sacrificing lambs and atoning with the blood of goats and bulls

the reality of what those patterns meant is in the gospel and sacrifice of Christ Jesus the lamb of Gods atonement for
Mankind

It builds and builds I till it comes to pass

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-9, 12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Seems the Old Testament is how we can understand what’s happening in the new and the New Testament is how we can make our way home to the lord forever
 

Rondonmon

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It's apparent how so many will not see the Day coming: instead of using scripture to interpret scripture we inject our own ideas about what the scriptures mean.

For example "wormwood". No one uses that term today unless they're referencing scripture. Instead of injecting "missiles" or "comets", etc., we should go into the scriptures to see that word in context. Additionally, we can read about the connection between "bitter water", water as the word, and illness. These are all very apparent connections that require nothing more than a surface-level examination of scripture.
No one studies the root woods the way I do, so I can even tell you what plant they are referring to via the Geek word apsinthos, which is where the English word Wormwood comes from. It refers to a certain plant used fr killing worm parasites in humans, thus the name Wormwood. Let me track down all this info for you........

Apsinthos is believed to refer to a plant of the genus Artemisia, used metaphorically to mean something with a bitter taste.[4] The English rendering "wormwood" refers to the dark green oil produced by the plant, which was used to kill intestinal worms.

Aretemisia plant

Artemisia absinthium (wormwood, grand wormwood, absinthe, absinthium, absinthe wormwood,[4] mugwort, wermout, wermud, wormit, wormod[5]) is a moderately poisonous species of Artemisia native to temperate regions of Eurasia[6]

So, I know exactly what it means, it means BITTER, and thus whatever Asteroid hits the earth (my guess via having an UNDERSTANDING of what is going on around me, is that the 2029 Asteroid called Apophis is that Asteroid) thee will be a residue/fallout from this powerful explosion via this impact that will make the fresh waters in 1/3 of the world all poison/bitter in nature where no one can drink from these waters.

So, saying I don't understand or most don't understand, probably is just your assumption brother.

With that said, Pilgrimshope does a great job showing the connection within the scriptures. Go back and read his posts if you think wormwood and bitter water still have to do with nuclear bombs and/or comets.
Just because he (I guess) "Affirms" your thoughts, doesn't make him correct sir. The correct understanding would be that a Nuclear ar between MEN FIGHTING is not the way God pours out His wrath on men, God does always does that in His own unique way so that he gets credit for it, so mankind will understand and fear him. He' did use other nations to try and chastise Israel, so they would come back unto Him, but that is not God's Wrath per se. We can see God's Wrath in Egypts 10 PLagues.

God used nature, not Bows and Arrows, or Swords, or any man-made "THINGS" to bring His Wrath against Egypt and Pharoah, instead, he used blood in the river, frogs, lice, gnats, diseased livestock, boils, hail, locusts, darkness for three days and the killing of Egypt's firstborn sons.

So, why would a Nuclear War between MEN ever be seen as God's Wrath? I can't even grasp this concept !! It is just not even close to being factual. In your mind it was Nukes, thus you have a predisposition to believe anyone that affirms this, but the truth is God's WRath will be His own Wrath, brought by nature, and ot will indeed be an Asteroid.
 

iamsoandso

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There are no such things as "200 million led by Kings from China", people add in the 200 Million from Woe #2 to the Vial #6 Kings of the East and then sadly CONFLATE the two. The 200 Million from Woe #2 in Rev. 9 is 200 Million Angelic Beings bringing PLAGUES (Rev. 9:20) in order to kill 1/3 of those who have taken the Mark of the Beast (Satan can't kill Satan Jesus said a kingdom divided can't stand). And just like the 144,000 doesn't mean 144,000 but instead ALL Israel as in 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness thus 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel, likewise 10,000 x 10,000 simply means ALL the Hosts (Angels) of heaven, its not a literal 200 million.

So, for starters, you conflate two passages which is a no no.

Not my point at all,,,the point is that wormwood,kings of the east ect. are after the mark,image worship ect.(not before) hence if there are anything present or past tense fulfilling the things being looked at then the mark,image ect. is not coming in the future it's already here and so Gods pouring his wrath out on those who took it and worship the image.
 

iamsoandso

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The Rabbis don’t believe in coincidence, and neither should we.

God uses models or patterns in Scripture as a form of prophecy.

It cannot be a coincidence that the nuclear disaster in Russia in 86 was in Chernobyl.

The word Chernobyl in Russian means “wormwood “.

Pencil me in for a nuclear exchange of some type.

And who wins,,,why is Gog and Magog found in existence after the thousand years in Revelation 20:8 if they loose that exchange? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20&version=KJV