Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

If the law is not active today and has been made void then we are free to be lawless and disobey without consequence (that is not grace).

Worth Repeating Folks from post above -----Take heed there TMS

Those who are not in Christ are under the law (Romans 3:19-20, Romans 6:14) and therefore the law condemns them when they sin.

But those who are in Christ are forgiven by Christ.

So TMS ----are you under the Law which requires NO Faith to keep -----just obedience or disobedience ---or are you under GRACE ----which requires no obedience to the Law ---but does Require Faith in the unseen Spiritual realm ----YOU decide ----which you are under ---You can;t be under Both -----

TMS ----The Laws were not given under Grace ----Grace is a fee gift ---we cannot earn Grace ----the 10 Commandments were not a free gift ---

-Salvation was a free Gift we did nothing to earn the Blessing that Salvation brings ----

Under The !O Commandments you had to earn either the Blessing OR THE Curse by obeying or by disobeying the laws ---that is nor Grace --You by your statement that the laws were given under grace says you are wrongly dividing the Word of God ---and You have no idea what GRACE really is ------

The Word clearly says -----You cannot serve 2 Masters ----you cannot serve the law and serve Grace who is Jesus ----the 10 commandments was an agreement between God and man ----

-Salvation is not an agreement between God and man ---Salvation is God's free GIFT TO MAN---Jesus paid the price ----we freely reap what Jesus made available to us ----that is Grace -----

I say ------- Israelite's actually ask God to give them rules and said they would follow them ------God knew they couldn't keep them but He gave them to show the Israelite's their sin and to show them they needed a Saviour to get them back in God's Graces to have eternal life ------The Israelite's made an idol of gold --they were getting drunk --having sex etc --they were disobedient and out of control and they said they would follow the rules God Gave them -------so they themselves ask for the laws ------

The Ten Commandments
5 Moses called together the people of Israel and said:

Today I am telling you the laws and teachings that you must follow, so listen carefully. 2 The Lord our God made an agreement with our nation at Mount Sinai.

I say ------So good luck with your Laws and having eternal life when you meet your Creator -----

He went away sorrowful. "verily I say unto you that a rich man shall hardly enter the kingdom of heaven ...."

@BroTan, all I can say to you is that you need to study the writings of Paul so that you may understand them as he intended for them to be understood.

You can indeed wrest his writings to your own destruction. An example of this is how you identify the law that he speaks of as being only the law about animal sacrifices when he is referring to the whole law.

You cannot be justified by keeping the law.

You can only be justified through faith in the blood of Christ.

If you have been justified through faith in the blood of Christ, there is also a sanctification that will take place; also through His blood (Hebrews 13:12, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 1:7) that will enable you to obey the Lord by walking not after the flesh but after the Spirit: so the righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in you (Romans 8:4).

There is no law that will condemn you if you bear the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23).

But if you are seeking to be justified by the law, it is clear that you are walking after the flesh; and therefore, the fact that you do not keep the law perfectly from conception into eternity will be your condemnation. Because that is what is required of those who are of the law (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48). You are under a curse if you think that you are saved through your own law-keeping, works, or personal merits. You are required to obey the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity to be able to enter in that way (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

You can indeed wrest these scriptures of Paul to your own destruction (while only one of them in the list was written by Paul).

So, I would encourage you to study these scriptures carefully to see what Paul really meant by them as he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write them; and what the Holy Spirit means by them.

A homework project for you might be for you to seek what the Holy Spirit meant when Paul wrote Galatians 2:16 under His inspiration.

Because again, you may be able to wrest those scriptures to your own destruction. And, therefore, it is expedient for you to ask the Holy Ghost what He means by these scriptures and to abide in the understanding He gives you.

Do you have the guts to honestly ask Him what He means by them, is the question.

Because I am coming to you from the perspective of knowing what He means by them and what I have been telling you is His interpretation.

It is my prayer every night; and also every time before I get on the computer; that every word that comes off of my keyboard might be from the Holy Ghost.

The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and you deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible.

Brothers and sisters you must work to get salvation. (v.7)

Whatsoever you plant, that’s what you are going to reap. Be it good works unto eternal life, or evil works unto eternal damnation. The choice is yours, and your works belong to you.

You twist Hebrews 4 into meaning working at the law instead of entering Rest??? C'mon. No one is that dumb.

Then you twist 1 John 2:3-4 to be about the 10 commandments??? C'mon. Read the 2 verses before and after those 2 verses.

Then you twist Galatians 3:10 to SOMEHOW be about salvation??? C'mon. Nowhere in Galatians 3 is the subject of salvation even hinted at.

What shows we have entered rest is working at the law in our own understanding and strength???

I understand what you saying, but mine job is to preach the Gospel, because Jesus say in Matthew 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Keep in mind it's not always the person that you speaking to who are the ones you edifying, it's those who are in silence. We are living in these last days and many are confuse, and some just give up. Sometime the case could be 1 out of 20 or more, that be edify. But also in the scripture it's written in Ezekiel 33: 7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. 8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. 11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Those brothers and Sisters that's keep God's Commandments, statues and Judgements, they'll have there job in the vineyard as well.

So TMS ----are you under the Law which requires NO Faith to keep -----just obedience or disobedience ---or are you under GRACE ----which requires no obedience to the Law ---but does Require Faith in the unseen Spiritual realm ----YOU decide ----which you are under ---You can;t be under Both -----

TMS ----The Laws were not given under Grace ----Grace is a fee gift ---we cannot earn Grace ----the 10 Commandments were not a free gift ---

-Salvation was a free Gift we did nothing to earn the Blessing that Salvation brings ----

It is not necessarily a departure from grace to be obedient to the laws of holy scripture.

It is only a departure from grace if you are seeking to be justified through your obedience.

I have no doubt there are those seeking truth who observe in silence, and am grateful to God for the opportunity to expose error with the light of Spiritual truth, that they may discern right from wrong.

For too long, these false pulpit prophets and teachers of hyper grace/OSAS have been wielding that double edged sword against the truth, as did these same deceivers of Ezekiel's day (Ezekiel 13:22 KJV): a sword that makes the heart of righteous Christians sad by condemning them for preaching the truth about grace and works, as well as strengthening the hands of wicked, unconverted churchgoers that they may continue in wickedness by "promising them life" eternal with Jesus with their false hyper grace, OSAS nonsense.

TMS ---you said ----Why can't i be under grace and by grace live to obey the law of liberty?

You can't obey the law of Liberty ----this law is a free gift ----you are free because of nothing you did ----you are free because of what Jesus did ------you can't keep the law of Faith either as faith is given by God ---you can't keep the law of Agape either as this is a gift that only the Holy Spirit can give you --

These are NOT LAWS to Keep ---they are free gifts that salvation gives to us -----

Your grasping at straws trying to figure out what your meaning -----

and Grace is not a what ----Grace is a Person ---Jesus is Grace ----again you are grasping at straws here --

John 1:17
New International Version
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

BroTan, this is belief of those who claim the Law and the Old Covenant are one in the same:


Why do they insist on believing such nonsense? Why do they refuse to explain such stupidity?

Rom 14:4, Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Notice that it does not specify Saturday as being the day that a man esteems above another; which provides for Sunday as being that day in certain perspectives.

But even if it were specifying Saturday, in verse 6 the one who does not regard it does not regard it to the Lord; and so his not regarding the day is sanctified.



Eph 2:8, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9, Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 4:4, Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6, Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Tit 3:4, But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6, Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7, That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Rom 11:5, Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6, And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.




The seed that is planted is not good works but the word of the Lord (Romans 10:17, Luke 8:11).

If this law is a gift that Jesus would like to give us, Then can we accept that gift? Can we by grace allow the law to be given to us and written on our hearts and minds? Grace did come by Jesus Christ.

Grace =
... unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification
... unmerited exemption ... REPRIEVE
... approval or kindness, especially that is freely given by God to all humans:

When we fail God shows grace. We are seen as perfect because of His grace, So do we ignore the laws and continue in sin that grace might abound?

Praise the Lord my brother, because we are in time when Paul says in 1 Timothy 4: 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

See we living in the times when up is not up and down is not down. Straight words out of Jesus mouth means little to some Christians, because they run to Paul's writing over Jesus words. As if Jesus is not Lord. And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." (Mat. 28:18)