If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

JESUS was KING before HE ever came to Earth.

You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“and My servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may consider and believe Me
and understand that I am He.
Before Me no god was formed,
and after Me none will come.
I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me.
I alone decreed and saved and proclaimed—(KING)
I, and not some foreign god among you.
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“that I am God.
Even from eternity I am He,
and none can deliver out of My hand.(KING)
When I act, who can reverse it?”(KING)
Isaiah 43

Then Pilate entered the [Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”
Jesus answered him, “Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?”
Pilate answered, “Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?”
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Pilate therefore said to Him, “Are You a king then?”

Jesus answered, “You say rightly that I am a King. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”

i do wonder if the Two Witnesses already happened.

John 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

JESUS Resurrected and then His Kingdom was in place. The Bridge is in place. The Way is in place.

Correct. If you're referring to the bull's blood that was sprinkled prior to the goat's blood in the ritual; that was specifically for Aaron's personal atonement in order to even perform the ritual pattern prophesying The Messiah's work. In truth, the Messiah needs no blood for His own atonement, nor does any additional blood need to be sprinkled on the mercy seat after His.

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You'll notice that the blood is only to be sprinkled in front of the mercy seat ("come boldly before the throne of Grace") and on the east side (its left-hand side when facing us; our right side when looking at the seat). No blood was to cover the right-hand (west side) of the throne because - in fulfillment - the Messiah sits at the right hand of the Father. Doing so would ruin the pattern.

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Yes, the Messiah's blood is sufficient, if one accepts Him by faith.

Revelation 11:3-4

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.



Zechariah 4:11-14
Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.




Jeremiah 11:16
The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.


//The green/thriving olive tree was the Jewish People. That means, at least, one of the Witnesses is a body of people.

THANK YOU Dear Brother, tears of JOY, for there is much confusion even to the point of heresy on these 'christian' forums.

The one that, to me, is most damning is the attempt to separate Jew from Gentile in His Body/His Elect/His Saints.

What the LORD has joined together let no man separate. - Mark 10:9 Matthew 19:6

There are THREE Witnesses - the FATHER the LORD and the HOLY SPIRIT Matthew 3:16 John 8:14 Acts 1:6

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

On Earth, only Two are necessary.

ou are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“and My servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may consider and believe Me
and understand that I am He.
Before Me no god was formed,
and after Me none will come.
I, yes I, am the LORD,
and there is no Savior but Me.
I alone decreed and saved and proclaimed—(KING)
I, and not some foreign god among you.
So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“that I am God.
Even from eternity I am He,
and none can deliver out of My hand.(KING)
When I act, who can reverse it?”(KING)
Isaiah 43

There are THREE Witnesses - the LORD and the HOLY SPIRIT Matthew 3:16 John 8:14 Acts 1:6

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

On Earth, onl
AMEN - the LORD is Jacob's Ladder - but How??? What Way did HE make this which is Impossible - POSSIBLE?

And I thought you were just some guy showing off his fish

Are you saying that Revelation 11 might have already have happened?

This is curious:

John 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

and then later on:

Mat 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

John 1:51 is about Jacob's Ladder:

And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

The Son of Man is The Way into The Kingdom.

They both are pertaining to Jacob's Ladder

and my previous Post 907 it should of read "On earth only Two Witnesses are needed."

Again, question: How is Jesus Jacob's Ladder - HOW does God do this?

How? The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST.

If Scripture promises an Infinity of perfect peace and Righteousness ...then why are people trying to make it end after a thousand years with satan being loosed?

But Joe, isn't that what scripture literally says? "After 1000 years satan is loosed"?

What is the Kingdom and Jacobs Ladder that the LORD spoke to us?

Answers are found in the Gospel of John, Foundation was laid in Genesis, Fulfillment in Acts unto Today and Continuing.

Again, you want JESUS physically on Earth Ruling as a physical King ...just like the pharisees wanted. People won't turn from GOD when He is here and a physical Kingdom that is other worldly. satan being loosed ruins premill.

Well, that's a bit of a red herring // ad hominem combo...



It's not about what I want nor does it matter what Pharisees wanted, it's about what scripture literally says.

Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison

Besides feeling strongly about it, what proof is there that people won't turn from Messiah when He is here?

Please, what is the deal with this "thousand"?

Deuteronomy 7:8-9
But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

1 Chronicles 16:14-15
He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth.
Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;

Psalm 105:6-10
O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
He is the LORD our God: his judgments are in all the earth.
He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.
Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Daniel uses "Son of Man" because it allowed JESUS to say He was The SAVIOR King without being put to death before it was too soon.

Who do Jews think Daniel 7:13-14 is about?

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

You want GOD as a King living here ...but also want people to look at Him and say He isn't GOD? You really think people are going to be like, oh, That is GOD ...but i'm still going to do things my own way? Ridiculous.

to turn away from GOD in the Millennium Reign after His Return would be sin ...so if there isn't sin anymore, how are people going to be deceived by satan?