How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

No I'm not mentioning any of this,,,,All I'm asking is if they didn't have any idea there even was an "second coming" how could they be asking him about it in Matthew 24:3's "sign of thy coming". They weren't meaning his second coming if they didn't know it was going to take place at that time(Olivet discourse).

Hi!
Not at all...
You said "there is NO Second Chances "

and I quoted Absolutely
"How dare God give us a second chance "

God bless!

Well, first off (and this was covered in earlier posts in this thread--I think it was this thread), there is no scripture with the words "SECOND COMING" (...so... why would those words, expressed that way [the label man puts on things to aid in our discussion], matter in this issue? It seems that all that should matter is what "coming" meant to them [in any given CONTEXT], right?)

But when Jesus' response included the wording of (Matt24:30) "coming in/upon THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN with power and great glory," do you think they perceived Him to be meaning "coming from Motley, Minnesota"?? (i.e. "coming" from somewhere upon the earth--since they hadn't realized He'd be IN HEAVEN by that point)?? I think not.



[in John 13:33,36 Jesus had already said to them, "where I am going ye cannot come" (just as He'd said "to the Jews" in 8:21) ... verse 36 adds (specifically to Peter) "ye cannot follow Me NOW"; sure it took some time for them to grasp what He meant... I'm just not seeing how this impacts what it is my original point had been As I see it, not at all... ]

Revelation
20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Let the readers note that "Abs" believes in the "partial rapture theory" (i.e. that not ALL members of the "Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"--the "ONE BODY"--will be raptured... i.e. that some believers will be left behind... which I do not see as a biblical viewpoint). Paul told the Corinthians, "[and] we shall ALL be changed in a moment..." (the purpose of this "change" is for "our Rapture" event, the "SNATCH")




[but, besides this issue, there will indeed be many folks who will come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture," and this is understood by means of ascertaining the "chronology" issues among other things...]

^^ For the readers,

the word "King" (re: Jesus) is used only TWO TIMES in all of the epistles, and in both of those passages it is speaking of this in the "future" tense (...ponder this).



[see also the "future tense" of Rev19:15b "and He SHALL rule them with a rod of iron..." (from the point in time of His Second Coming to the earth)]

That, rather obviously, happens after the Trib.

Yes, we call it prophecy. Revelation is not a fantasy novel.

Actually, He is. God is revealing the future to John. Prophecy is not a collection of fables and fairy tales.

Not always. We have to remember that while John was shown plain images of things happening, he also was shown very artistic and exaggerated things like a massive snake with multiple heads. That's the metaphoric vision rather than a plain vision. It's like a cartoonist depicting the Nazi's attacking Poland using a drawing of a large wolf with big fangs jumping on Poland portrayed by a small prey animal rather than a drawing of tanks and planes and men on the ground shooting and taking over Poland as it happened in real life. Sometimes John saw real life when he saw crowds of people or angels or the elders worshiping God. Other times he saw artist portrayals of fantastic, imaginary creatures with multiple heads that rose out of the water.

The end of their lives. They died. (endured to the end)
If we omit the verses about the AC and what he does ( kills every beliver) then we can let our imagination tell us there will be millions of believers being chased from cave to cave by the AC.
It says all take the mark.
Those refusing die.

If salvation only comes from living through the trib (which postribs are saying) then all the dead in christ need to just stay in their graves.

The white horse rider kicks off the trib.
He arrives and he conquers Nations. He has a crown so he is a ruler and he has a bow so he is a man of war he kills people and breaks things that's what armies do. He rides a white horse, in other words, he is a imitation of Messiah.
That's actually what the world is looking for ....a strong decisive leader.
What 2nd Thessalonians 2 says ,is that there's going to be something removed before something is revealed.
It says in 2nd Thessalonians 2 ,in the first maybe 6 versus, that, the AC is revealed 3 times. In other words the church will see who he is what is and be able to recognize it.
For hundreds of years we have known who he is because the Bible says exactly who he is. He is a man and his number is 666. I believe that mystery will be solved right before the rapture.

I believe 2nd Thessalonians 2, will be exactly what it says, that the AC will be revealed.

What you are seeing mid trib is the AC taking over judaism. Now seated as "god"

The Bible says that the Jews are taken out of the way most likely to Petra and that Satan follows them and tries to drown them in a flood, but is stopped and they safely arrived to a protected area. And that Dynamic is yet another "saved through water" dynamic that God likes to use. But that is yet another study.
Then ,in Revelation 14 which is about mid-trib, we see that you wish first fruits in heaven, followed by the main body of Jews taken to heaven, by Jesus in the sky sitting on a cloud with a sickle in his hand.

That particular rapture it's not the Rapture of the church, none the less it is a gathering, are you could call it a rapture, but it's not 1st Thessalonians 4.

there is also a Mount Zion heaven.

It says they are before the throne and have been redeemed from the earth.
(There is also a temple in heaven as well as on Earth.)

And yes, rev 14 is right before the wrath....or " mid trib"

Well sotra.
I agree somewhat....but....
There are several different types of True Believers. There are babes in Christ ,of course they are babies or new converts, and then we see mature Saints, and in those mature Saints we see different levels , or anointings that they are walking in. Paul describes one other class of believers, and they are called carnal. I think it's in 1st Corinthians we see the term"saved as Through Fire", they are saved but their works are burned up.

I said all that to say that in Matthew 25 we see and virgins which represents 10 Christian. 10 Born Again Christians .
Blood Washed and redeemed. However, they are carnal and run out of oil.

These represent half the church left behind.
And yes they die refusing the mark

This looks to be " kingdom now"

NAR.