Thoughts on Menopause

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TheIndianGirl

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Not all female animals go through menopause. Female humans are the only land mammal who experience menopause and then live decades later. There are four other mammals who go through menopause but live underwater. Some mammals do not go through menopause but in their elder years do not mate/reproduce.

At first, I thought perhaps early female humans did not live long, say until around 40, so maybe they did not experience menopause. Lifespan has generally increased over time. However, the Bible has references to child-bearing and barren women, so we know early women did go through menopause.

Why do you think God gave menopause to female humans, at a relatively early age, and not other mammals? Female humans still have some decades left in their lives. There is the "grandmother theory" which doesn't make much logical sense to me. Basically, this theory purports that when older females get involved with raising grandchildren, the young mother (her daughter/daughter-in-law) is able to have more children as she has help to raise them. This is supposed to increase overall reproduction. What makes more sense to me, if we are really concerned about reproduction, is that BOTH women are able to give birth until older age and have their older children care for them or if they set up some sort of "child care" environment.

Other thoughts on menopause are welcome.
 

CharliRenee

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Oh my gosh, the thought of having a child as a grandmother, at an older age, sounds exhausting to me, lol.

Specualatively speaking, I think menopause for humans goes along with women having to go through painful childbirth. It is a part of Eve's sin, falling from grace. I have no idea why God would choose to have us go through the change when we do (maybe because humans live much longer), but I trust He knows what He is doing. I think the over population issues this earth faces suggests it might be a wise thing that we are unable to procreate after a certain age.
 

Mem

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Considering that Jeremiah 17:8 says, "they shall be as trees planted along a riverbank...", this might be a case where we are more comparable to plants than to animals. And after reading this article discussing how to prevent trees from fruiting, I think this idea has credence seeing that it speaks to hormonal changes and cautions against overstressing an already stressed tree. So, my hypothesis is that it is somehow related to a concern of overstressing us. Notice CharliRenee's initial reaction to the thought after all, and as a fairly new nana, I can't say I can blame her.
 

Blik

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Not all female animals go through menopause. Female humans are the only land mammal who experience menopause and then live decades later. There are four other mammals who go through menopause but live underwater. Some mammals do not go through menopause but in their elder years do not mate/reproduce.

At first, I thought perhaps early female humans did not live long, say until around 40, so maybe they did not experience menopause. Lifespan has generally increased over time. However, the Bible has references to child-bearing and barren women, so we know early women did go through menopause.

Why do you think God gave menopause to female humans, at a relatively early age, and not other mammals? Female humans still have some decades left in their lives. There is the "grandmother theory" which doesn't make much logical sense to me. Basically, this theory purports that when older females get involved with raising grandchildren, the young mother (her daughter/daughter-in-law) is able to have more children as she has help to raise them. This is supposed to increase overall reproduction. What makes more sense to me, if we are really concerned about reproduction, is that BOTH women are able to give birth until older age and have their older children care for them or if they set up some sort of "child care" environment.

Other thoughts on menopause are welcome.
I think that when we simply accept all of God including how He created us with no stress about it, we make the very best of our lives.

Dr. Reade, an obstruction, taught this about childbirth. I used what Dr. said and found I could birth a child with absolutely no pain. It was simply a matter of trusting the muscles we cannot control like our heart muscle. Birth muscles are automatic, if we try to control them it only causes pain.
 

CharliRenee

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Considering that Jeremiah 17:8 says, "they shall be as trees planted along a riverbank...", this might be a case where we are more comparable to plants than to animals. And after reading this article discussing how to prevent trees from fruiting, I think this idea has credence seeing that it speaks to hormonal changes and cautions against overstressing an already stressed tree. So, my hypothesis is that it is somehow related to a concern of overstressing us. Notice CharliRenee's initial reaction to the thought after all, and as a fairly new nana, I can't say I can blame her.
Congrats Nana!!!!
 

CharliRenee

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I think that when we simply accept all of God including how He created us with no stress about it, we make the very best of our lives.

Dr. Reade, an obstruction, taught this about childbirth. I used what Dr. said and found I could birth a child with absolutely no pain. It was simply a matter of trusting the muscles we cannot control like our heart muscle. Birth muscles are automatic, if we try to control them it only causes pain.
Umm are you suggesting that the pain we experience in childbirth is merely our attempting to control our birth muscles?
 

CS1

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wrong location for this LOL I don't Know if CC has an OBGYN Tab LOL.
 

Lanolin

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uh

I think personally it allows women to have a rest (from childbearing)

I am not sure about all the biblical reasons but I do know that Leviticus has stated that men werent allowed to touch a woman while she was having her monthly period, that she was unclean etc.

I mean they did not have tampons or the convenient sanitary products that we have today. Even 50 years ago, you basically had to wear a belt or just say you needed to stay home.
 

Blik

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Umm are you suggesting that the pain we experience in childbirth is merely our attempting to control our birth muscles?
I only know that when I concentrated on not interfering with the birth muscles but left them free to work that there was absolutely no paint for me.

Every fiber of my being told me that something marvelous was happening and I must do all I could to help. I had to practice deep meditation to prepare for the birth, and it wasn't easy to allow what God had created in me to work unaided. I had to convince nurses not to speak to me, I was busy telling myself to trust God alone and not help.
 
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Not all female animals go through menopause. Female humans are the only land mammal who experience menopause and then live decades later. There are four other mammals who go through menopause but live underwater. Some mammals do not go through menopause but in their elder years do not mate/reproduce.

At first, I thought perhaps early female humans did not live long, say until around 40, so maybe they did not experience menopause. Lifespan has generally increased over time. However, the Bible has references to child-bearing and barren women, so we know early women did go through menopause.

Why do you think God gave menopause to female humans, at a relatively early age, and not other mammals? Female humans still have some decades left in their lives. There is the "grandmother theory" which doesn't make much logical sense to me. Basically, this theory purports that when older females get involved with raising grandchildren, the young mother (her daughter/daughter-in-law) is able to have more children as she has help to raise them. This is supposed to increase overall reproduction. What makes more sense to me, if we are really concerned about reproduction, is that BOTH women are able to give birth until older age and have their older children care for them or if they set up some sort of "child care" environment.

Other thoughts on menopause are welcome.
As a man, I have always taken an active interest in women who suffer with this. I have talked with many women during their menopause and they were incredible with explaining their situations and I think that being heard was a huge help. One one woman in particular was explaining to me that menopausal women in Asia rarely experienced menopausal symptoms because they ate a diet that was not like the western diet. I thought about my Mom who went through it and she ate a well balanced diet and the only thing that I remember her complain about was hot flashes. I spoke with another woman who just wanted to flee and get away. Her husband was no help, he was only interested in what he wanted, so he never sat down and talked with her. I was a poor substitute, but I listened to her and comforted the best I knew. What irritates me is how male doctors don’t understand whatsoever of what women go through. My mother had a female doctor and she understood.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Oh my gosh, the thought of having a child as a grandmother, at an older age, sounds exhausting to me, lol.

Specualatively speaking, I think menopause for humans goes along with women having to go through painful childbirth. It is a part of Eve's sin, falling from grace. I have no idea why God would choose to have us go through the change when we do (maybe because humans live much longer), but I trust He knows what He is doing. I think the over population issues this earth faces suggests it might be a wise thing that we are unable to procreate after a certain age.
That's a reasonable view/assumption that menopause may be associated with the fall, especially since basically only human females experience this and virtually all other animals do not. To me, it is not that clear since it is not specifically mentioned in the Bible.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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uh

I think personally it allows women to have a rest (from childbearing)

I am not sure about all the biblical reasons but I do know that Leviticus has stated that men werent allowed to touch a woman while she was having her monthly period, that she was unclean etc.

I mean they did not have tampons or the convenient sanitary products that we have today. Even 50 years ago, you basically had to wear a belt or just say you needed to stay home.
Yes, I could also that believe God may have given menopause to provide women a break from childbearing, menstruation, etc.