Christmas tree -- vestige from Babylonian worship

Goes over Jeremiah 10 and the history of Babylon

Either you believe God is sovereign or you believe in Coincidences.

The winter solstice is December 22nd and they would bring the Christmas tree in and decorate it in order to celebrate the birthday of a Babylonian deity that signifies the AntiChrist.

So Christmas Eve we celebrate the birth of Jesus, the next day they celebrate the birth of the Antichrist and the Christmas tree is a symbol of that birth because where this deity was killed by a boar and bled out an evergreen tree grew up which is why they use this tree.

What are we rehearsing? The birth of the man child who is caught up to heaven followed by the birth of the Antichrist.

More on Christmas -- A work of delusion

Jeremiah 10:1 Hear ye the word which Jehovah speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: 2 thus saith Jehovah, Learn not the way of the nations, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the nations are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the peoples are vanity; for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are like a palm-tree, of turned work, and speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good.

This chapter concludes with they have devoured him, consumed him and laid waste to his habitation. Who? The nations that have not known God. But it starts with the house of Israel bringing the idol of these pagan worshippers into the house. Think of the Christmas tree as a trojan horse. It looks like they are celebrating the Lord's birth with you and yet they are deceiving you into bringing this idol into your house that will consume it, devour it, and lay it waste.

6 There is none like unto thee, O Jehovah; thou art great, and thy name is great in might. 7 Who should not fear thee, O King of the nations? for to thee doth it appertain; forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their royal estate, there is none like unto thee. 8 But they are together brutish and foolish: the instruction of idols! it is but a stock. 9 There is silver beaten into plates, which is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the artificer and of the hands of the goldsmith; blue and purple for their clothing; they are all the work of skilful men. 10 But Jehovah is the true God; he is the living God, and an everlasting King: at his wrath the earth trembleth, and the nations are not able to abide his indignation.

Now it gets worse, they let this idol instruct them. Here is how you decorate it. Then you need to go to our malls and buy a bunch of junk to put under it. You need to put the star of our God Moloch on top of it. You need to put "special" ornaments that people describe as though they were idols that they worship on it. You sing songs to it "O Christmas tree". Yet there is nothing true about it. It is green but it is not living. And, it will not abide God's indignation, what happens after Christmas, they throw the tree in the fire.

11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, these shall perish from the earth, and from under the heavens.

Whoa! Many people think this tree is insignificant, why talk about it. Because right here this idol is a symbol reminding us of the coming judgement on the earth by fire.

12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding hath he stretched out the heavens. 13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings for the rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasuries. 14 Every man is become brutish and is without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his graven image; for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. 15 They are vanity, a work of delusion: in the time of their visitation they shall perish. 16 The portion of Jacob is not like these; for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the tribe of his inheritance: Jehovah of hosts is his name.

Whoa, it is a work of delusion, it is part of the great delusion that God sends to those who did not love the truth. Not only so but "in the time of their visitation they shall perish". What do Christmas trees have to do with the time of their visitation? Not only so but there is a direct comparison between this idolatrous Christmas tree and everything that it entails and our portion, the babe of Bethlehem. Also, even though it is pagan worship and even though it has nothing to do with Jesus' birth the fact that these two are put together into a juxtaposition like they are during Christmas is because of the God of heaven, by His wisdom and by His understanding. Now what does all this have to do with God uttering his voice? Are we talking about the trumpet blast when God causes the saints to ascend from the ends of the earth? Is this Trumpet blast like the scene the shepherds in the field saw? The incarnation is when God came down to man and the rapture is when men ascend to God?

17 Gather up thy wares out of the land, O thou that abidest in the siege. 18 For thus saith Jehovah, Behold, I will sling out the inhabitants of the land at this time, and will distress them, that they may feel it.

Whoa! This sounds like the start of the tribulation with the judgement on the apostasy and organized Christianity. This verse reminds me of the violation of the sabbath day in the Old Testament or even more of Jesus casting the money changers out of the temple. They turn the worship of Jesus birth into a great big bazaar of buying all the wares of these pagan idolaters.

19 Woe is me because of my hurt! my wound is grievous: but I said, Truly this is my grief, and I must bear it. 20 My tent is destroyed, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth from me, and they are not: there is none to spread my tent any more, and to set up my curtains. 21 For the shepherds are become brutish, and have not inquired of Jehovah: therefore they have not prospered, and all their flocks are scattered. 22 The voice of tidings, behold, it cometh, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah a desolation, a dwelling-place of jackals.

We begin this chapter with them cutting down a Christmas tree, bringing it into the house of Israel and decorating it because the shepherds have become brutish and have not inquired of the Lord. At the end we see an attack from the North to make the cities of Judah a desolation, a dwelling place of jackals (gangs of thugs). This sounds like the start of the tribulation when Russia attacks the US.

23 O Jehovah, I know that the way of man is not in himself; it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. 24 O Jehovah, correct me, but in measure; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing. 25 Pour out thy wrath upon the nations that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name; for they have devoured Jacob, yea, they have devoured him and consumed him, and have laid waste his habitation.

It is amazing how the occult is prevalent in our lives today. All of our holidays has left over portions of the occult--even Easter with its name even changed from Passover to Easter. Passover is celebrating the giving of life not death through the blood of the lamb, as it celebrates that Christ gives His blood and lives. Easter has its rabbits showing fertility and its eggs.

Thank the Lord, many Christians are not aware of that so their hearts and minds are free from the occult they are practicing. Those Christians who turn from the world and fill their hearts and minds completely with the Lord and scripture avoid the occult that is in the world.

Oh, no, the Christmas Pharisees are back.

Ummm, I don’t know anyone consciously or unconsciously celebrating the Son of Perdition on Dec, 25th.

Two Governing principles

I operate under two very important principle when I read the Bible and church history and that is that Jesus is Lord. I don't believe in coincidences, I believe in the sovereignty of the Lord Jesus. If December 25th is a major holiday for Christians worldwide then that is God's sovereignty.

The second principle is that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. In the Old Testament we learn that God was very precise in establishing festivals that were a rehearsal for the coming event. Passover is an excellent example, likewise with the feast of unleavened bread, the feast of firstfruits, Pentecost, etc. Therefore since we have two very holy festivals: Christmas and Easter I conclude that these also are a rehearsal for coming events.

Let us consider the two aspects of this celebration.

Christmas eve -- we have a Christmas Eve celebration in which we sing songs like "Hark the Herald Angels sing, glory to the New born King" and we recount the story of a babe born in a manger (even though we know this is not the day that Jesus was born).

However, if this is a rehearsal, a shadow of coming events, then we do have a "man child" that will be born in Revelation 12 and then snatched up to heaven before the Dragon can devour him. That sounds to me like the rapture.

Then consider the second aspect of this celebration

In the night "Santa" (anagram for Satan, wearing a red suit and the Lord of the "elves" fallen angels) comes as a thief in the night "giving us gifts". Is that really what he does? First of all the holiday is a lie, a great deception given to those who don't have the love of the truth. Second Santa doesn't give you anything, instead you are forced to go out and buy a bunch of junk at the mall for your kids. Meanwhile you teach your kids to write a letter to Santa (a counterfeit prayer where you teach kids to be materialistic and pray for things). You dupe your kids knowing that at some point in the future they will learn you duped them and in this way you are teaching them that everyone is a fraud. And so what "Santa" has truly done is exchange your God for a lie.

This reminds me of those who wake up after the rapture and realize they have been duped by the apostasy, having exchanged the Lord of glory for the ruler of this world.

How does Santa visit every house? Calculations have been done on how fast he would have to travel. This is a way to mock the teaching of the rapture.

"He knows if you've been bad or good" -- again a way to distort the concept of God.

"He sees you when you're sleeping, He knows when you're awake" -- does anyone really doubt this is talking about the Antichrist in his tyrannical power.

How about the song "Santa baby" -- this is what Jude and Peter warned about, the lascivious ones creeping into the church.

7 similarities between the story of the birth of Jesus and today

1. Mary and Joseph went to Bethlehem because Caesar had declared a census, right now we are seeing this worldwide push for a "vaccine passport". The census was designed so Caesar could keep track of everyone to tax them, the vaccine passport appears to be the precursor of a digital banking system along with a social credit score to give the government complete control over your life.

2. The wise men see "His star" and so come to Jerusalem, right now we have many who are using Stellarium to say they have seen this great Revelation 12 sign in the heavens that is a harbinger for the Lord's second coming.

3. Herod kills 2,000 kids and we now have this vaccine mandate for kids.

4. Mary was a hillbilly, a "deplorable" -- and we are seeing these deplorables rise up with the "Stop the Steal" movement. What makes people "deplorable" at the time of Hanukkah -- it was that they believed the Bible was the inspired word of God that we need to obey. If you say that today people will consider you to be deplorable.

5. There was no room at the Inn for Mary and Joseph and if you are not vaccinated there is room at the Inn for you.

6. The Shepherds who are in the Field are the ones who get to see the Lord first and the Lord tells us that those servants who are doing what they are supposed to when He returns will be blessed. We have quite a few believers who are sounding the alarm of the Lord's coming.

7. The religious leaders in Jerusalem know the Bible well enough but do not bother to come and see the Lord, just like all these ones saying "no one knows the day or the hour".

I honestly don’t know where you are going with all of this, and I have heard far fetched theories like this one many times. So just for clarification, anyone that celebrates Christmas does not have the true love of God in them? Is that your position?

No. Bizarre reading. Maybe try leaving your preconceived notions aside and reread what I have written.

Well, please translate for me. Maybe I am missing something.

The picture of the church at the end of the age is a mixed multitude.

Look at the letters to the seven churches in Revelation, Thyatira has the deep things of Satan and yet they also have those who don't know anything of the deep things. Pergamum has faithful ones like Antipas, but they also have the false prophet Balaam who is teaching them to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication. Sardis has a bunch of unfinished works that have not been established, yet they also have a few that are dressed in white and will walk with the Lord. The only churches to not get a rebuke are Smyrna and Philadelphia. Philadelphia has a not denied the Lord's name (which indicates other churches had otherwise it would not be much of a commendation) and they have kept the Lord's word (again indicating that other churches have not kept the Lord's word). Laodicea is even worse with the Lord saying they are going to make Him vomit and He isn't even in their midst (which indicates they aren't even meeting in the name of the Lord). The only word to them is to get out of that church.

What we are seeing in these letters is the wheat and tares growing together.

What we are seeing is the apostasy and the genuine believers mixed together like Antipas and Balaam, or the synagogue of Satan and the church of Philadelphia.

Now we see both of these things in the celebration of Christmas. You can see the sweet worship of the Lord Jesus and you can also see the most crass commercialism parading as a mockery of the gospel.

None of that is new, many have said the same thing for the last 50 years.

However, I am also saying that just as the passover feast was a dress rehearsal for the Lord's crucifixion that Christmas should also be looked at as a dress rehearsal for the rapture of the man child.

Jesus said that He was coming as a thief in the night (if you were not watching). In the celebration of Christmas those who are watching are there in the Christmas eve service, those who aren't go to Christmas parties and for them they wake up the next day. Santa comes like a thief in the night. They will wake up to learning they have exchanged the glory of the savior for a bunch of junk under an idol to the antichrist.

Jeremiah 10. Threads like this.. I really have a hard time posting in. They do not search. " But they are altogether stupid and foolish in their discipline of delusion—their idol is wood! Beaten silver is brought from Tarshish, And gold from Uphaz, The work of a craftsman and of the hands of a goldsmith; Violet and purple are their clothing; They are all the work of skilled men. But the Lord is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earthquakes, And the nations cannot endure His indignation”

Who here does this or knows of anyone that cuts some tree down then with their hands make it into some idol.. god.. then beat silver and gold into it and violet and purple cloth then worship it? Who here does this? See the OP and in that video they know there was not such thing as a "Christmas"tree back then. Would not be thought of for thousand of years later. Christ.. yeah.. was not even born yet. The op can just ask anyone here "did you cut that tree down then with your hands craft it into some fake false idol then beat gold and silver into it and then worship it?" See they know no one is doing this. Its about controlling others. "you must believe as I do". This happens ever year.. for me...oh.. to KNOW a thousands years are like one day to God. So I LOVE to think about how ALL OF HEAVEN just a tad over 2 days now to them.. YESHUA/JESUS Christ came and was born.. I LOVE to think about all of heaven rejoying about the Messiah.
Iam not going to let anyone rob me of this. If you KNOW someone is making a tree into a idol ..YES praise GOD say something.

This video.. thanks but.. who is he? Who knows him? How long has he been preaching what he believes? Why should we even listen to him? This is just all to silly. This day has always been about the Messiah who came in the flesh and would die for the worlds sin.

So praise GOD for Dec 25th.. most share about how HE came died for them.. maybe focus on that not something else that has no life in it. My wife LOVES to decorate that tree. You look at it. you KNOW it about Jesus. A no one haha worships it.. its fake also.. if it was GOD FOR BID just me I would NEVER have a tree. Just .. wouldn't.. has nothing to do with God.

Careful here.. maybe also focus on our own lifes and what we DO put before God that also can be a idol. The "careful" is us saying "oh I NEVER DO". He will show you right away. Its not what others do.. what are YOU doing for Christ? Sharing about that day HE came died for them loves them? Or just talk about some tree. If I offended forgive me

I think I understand where you are coming from. Did I agree or do I think it is Biblically sound; I cannot honestly say.

The Apostasy

A Call to Persevere in Faith. Instead of looking at when the rapture prior to the tribulation takes place why not look at when the judgement on the apostasy which takes place at essentially the same time takes place?

Hebrews 10:19 Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

Christmas has a movie called “Miracle on 42nd Street” that was a deceit on faith in Christ. It is clearly part of the “great deceit” given to those who did not have the love of the truth.

23 Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.

Christmas swerves from the hope. What is our hope? The hope is in our full salvation including the redemption of our body and Christ establishing His kingdom on earth with His millennial reign. Bringing in all the pagan garbage and Santa Claus witchcraft is to swerve from this hope.

24 And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25 not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

Once again there is a Christmas counterfeit to this with this concept of “Christmas spirit” and seeing “that day approach”.

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

The Idols are “the enemies of God”. The “green trees” used in Christmas are idols, the star on top is an idol, the ornaments are idols and these trees are bound up to be burned afterwards.

28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

1. Pretending that the celebration of Saturnalia and the worship of the sun is celebrating Jesus' birth is to trample the Son of God underfoot.
2. The feast of the purification of Isis became the feast of the nativity, in this way they treat the blood of the covenant as an unholy thing.
3. The expression “the spirit of Christmas” is an insult to the Spirit of grace.

30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Clearly Christmas epitomizes the apostasy of Christianity and will be judged by the Lord. It is His to avenge, and He will repay. So then would it be appropriate to judge the apostate church on Christmas? Would it be appropriate to rapture the saints Christmas eve and have the apostate church wake up the next day to this reality and judgement.

32 Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33 Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34 You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions. 35 So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.

36 You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37 For, “In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.”

What annual Christian celebration is a rehearsal of our looking for the coming one who will come and not delay? It is our Christmas Eve service singing “Silent Night”.

38 And, “But my righteous one will live by faith. And I take no pleasure in the one who shrinks back.”

Shrink back to what? Pagan worship, idolatry, loving the world like Demas?

39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.

What annual Christian celebration has this very clear distinction between those who have faith and are worshipping the Lord in the dark night compared to those who have forsaken the gospel because they love the world and have shrunk back?

The Lord only appointed one day for us, the Lord’s table and sure enough it is a rehearsal for the wedding day and the rapture. And yet if we look at

Amos 5:21 God says “I hate, I despise your religious festivals”.

Surely that cannot refer to the Lord’s table so what religious festival do the Christians have that God hates, that He despises? There are only two that stand out to me: Easter and Christmas. Now look at what

Amos 8:9 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “I will make the sun go down at noon and darken the earth in broad daylight. 10 I will turn your religious festivals into mourning and all your singing into weeping. I will make all of you wear sackcloth and shave your heads. I will make that time like mourning for an only son and the end of it like a bitter day.

So then, we have a solar eclipse at the time of this religious festival that God hates and He will turn this festival into mourning (so that would indicate it is a joyous festival, not the passion of the Christ, that wouldn’t make sense). Also all your singing to weeping. What religious festival do Christians have that God hates, that God despises, where there is a lot of joyous singing? This sounds like Christmas to me.

Putting a tree in your house and decorating it for Christmas isn’t idol worship. It doesn’t matter if som one, some where, at some time worshipped a tree and made it their idol. What matters is that is it what you’re doing and that goes for literally everything.

if you really want to see what is going on, check out the wormwood thread

it will become clearer

you are confused over who God is speaking to

I will go with the NT where Paul tells us that no one should be judging us

that takes preeminence over what God said to the Israelites

we can read and study Revelation for revelation from Christ

what you are offering, is a mashup of wannabe prophets who think they are the prophets for this day when they are not

maybe stop with the Bible codes too...as they have been disproved for a long time now

I'm not sure that you do actually since the false prophets have you convinced Nibiru is going to destroy the earth when the Bible says no such thing