Which Jesus are you trusting ?

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Hann57

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Not many people bother to read of what the scriptures say about;

Another Jesus.

2Co_11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

There are many religious groups teaching their own version of who Jesus is.

One teaches Jesus is only a Prophet.

One teaches that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

One teaches Jesus becomes a piece of bread.

Another that Jesus was was created by God.

The same applies with " another spirit" or " another gospel"

From what I read in the scriptures Jesus Christ is God.

Tit_2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

If someone comes and preaches another gospel, I rely on what God says not men.

Be clear in your own mind and heart by trusting in what God says.

Jesus Christ is God.

2Co_5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This is the gospel you must believe to be saved;

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Do not let anyone deceive you with another Jesus, another spirit or another gospel.
 
BonnieClaire

BonnieClaire

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Hann57 said:
Not many people bother to read of what the scriptures say about;

Another Jesus.

2Co_11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

There are many religious groups teaching their own version of who Jesus is.

One teaches Jesus is only a Prophet.

One teaches that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

One teaches Jesus becomes a piece of bread.

Another that Jesus was was created by God.

The same applies with " another spirit" or " another gospel"

From what I read in the scriptures Jesus Christ is God.

Tit_2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

If someone comes and preaches another gospel, I rely on what God says not men.

Be clear in your own mind and heart by trusting in what God says.

Jesus Christ is God.

2Co_5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This is the gospel you must believe to be saved;

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Do not let anyone deceive you with another Jesus, another spirit or another gospel.
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Which Jesus are you trusting ?

The one true Jesus of the bible, fully God and fully man, the second person of the triune Godhead.
 
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Hann57 said:
There are many religious groups teaching their own version of who Jesus is.

One teaches Jesus is only a Prophet.

One teaches that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

One teaches Jesus becomes a piece of bread.

Another that Jesus was was created by God.

The same applies with " another spirit" or " another gospel"

From what I read in the scriptures Jesus Christ is God.

Do not let anyone deceive you with another Jesus, another spirit or another gospel.
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To this I might add that another group teaches the Bible isn't even necessary today because we have new apostles and new prophets to give us God's word.
 
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Hann57

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BonnieClaire said:
Which Jesus are you trusting ?

The one true Jesus of the bible, fully God and fully man, the second person of the triune Godhead.
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Where did you hear that from. "The second person of the triune Godhead" is NOT in the scriptures. You are not trusting the gospel that was given to Paul by Christ I fear. It is imperative that you understand that you have to trust in what the scriptures says, otherwise you will be damming your own soul.
 
BonnieClaire

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Hann57 said:
Where did you hear that from. "The second person of the triune Godhead" is NOT in the scriptures. You are not trusting the gospel that was given to Paul by Christ I fear. It is imperative that you understand that you have to trust in what the scriptures says, otherwise you will be damming your own soul.
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...you don't believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God?
 
Aerials1978

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Hann57 said:
Trinity is not in my Bible
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So you adhere to Modalism? There is actually a good debate between James White and Roger Perkins from 2011 on this topic. You should check it out on YouTube
 
ResidentAlien

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A lot of the controversy around the doctrine of the Trinity involves the so-called Johannine Comma; i.e., 1 John 5:7. It says: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

These words are only found in five late Greek manuscripts (less than 1% of the total) and part of the Latin tradition (Roman Catholicism) from which they came.

When Erasmus made his new Greek translation (Textus Receptus) from the original Greek (not from the Latin tradition), the Johannine Comma wasn't in his first two editions. This caused quite a stir among his critics. Erasmus said he would include it if any of them could produce a single Greek manuscript which contained it. Not surprisingly one was found (or manufactured) and it was included in subsequent editions of theTextus Receptus.

The reason so many of Erasmus' critics were upset about the missing verse is because the Johannine Comma is the only clear verse in all of the New Testament that teaches the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. I think some people seize on this and say the Trinity is a fabrication of the RCC and has origins in paganism. I have many problems with the RCC but I don't have a problem with the Trinity because it's taught everywhere in the New Testament.

P.S. The Johannine Comma isn't found in any modern translations. This is because it isn't supported by the manuscripts—including Byzantine. Erasmus had it right to start with.
 
Blik

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We are told that we all see darkly. Our fleshly laws and order is not the order of the Lord. We cannot completely understand God, we can only understand what we experience and we live in the world that is different from God. Our true home is heaven, if we are Christian then we are strangers in the world.

As an example, we live with time and God lives with eternity. That is a concept it is almost impossible for us to fully comprehend.

This is why it is so important to fill our minds with scripture and to meditate on the words of the Lord for it is a way of opening up our spirits to the true Christ. We must be humble before the Lord, allowing Him to sometimes open our understanding to something new, as a child is open. We need to close out the world and let God and scripture in.
 
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Hann57

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BonnieClaire said:
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm asking you a question, which you have yet to answer.
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That is not a question. It is a statement with a question
Aerials1978 said:
So you adhere to Modalism? There is actually a good debate between James White and Roger Perkins from 2011 on this topic. You should check it out on YouTube
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The word TRINITY i
GRACE_ambassador said:
The Triune GodHead is all over the Bible; a beginning study is here:
The Case FOR The Triune GodHead!
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Not interested in debate. The issue is your own salvation right now. What gospel are you trusting ?
 
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Hann57

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Aerials1978 said:
So you adhere to Modalism? There is actually a good debate between James White and Roger Perkins from 2011 on this topic. You should check it out on YouTube
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Not here to debate. You need to be saved by the gospel given to Paul by Christ Jesus.
 
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Hann57

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ResidentAlien said:
A lot of the controversy around the doctrine of the Trinity involves the so-called Johannine Comma; i.e., 1 John 5:7. It says: "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one."

These words are only found in five late Greek manuscripts (less than 1% of the total) and part of the Latin tradition (Roman Catholicism) from which they came.

When Erasmus made his new Greek translation (Textus Receptus) from the original Greek (not from the Latin tradition), the Johannine Comma wasn't in his first two editions. This caused quite a stir among his critics. Erasmus said he would include it if any of them could produce a single Greek manuscript which contained it. Not surprisingly one was found (or manufactured) and it was included in subsequent editions of theTextus Receptus.

The reason so many of Erasmus' critics were upset about the missing verse is because the Johannine Comma is the only clear verse in all of the New Testament that teaches the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. I think some people seize on this and say the Trinity is a fabrication of the RCC and has origins in paganism. I have many problems with the RCC but I don't have a problem with the Trinity because it's taught everywhere in the New Testament.

P.S. The Johannine Comma isn't found in any modern translations. This is because it isn't supported by the manuscripts—including Byzantine. Erasmus had it right to start with.
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Satan wants debates. That takes the attention off the gospel.
 
Blade

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Hmm from what I read..I don't think I have to believe in Father son holy Spirit ..or I am not saved. Nor do I have to believe Jesus Christ is God. I think what was said OT NT anyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be saved" "remember me". Yes a truth Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh born by the virgin Mary. Died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is seated at the right hand of the Father is the only way to the Father. <---this we know they are of God.

Man says easy to be lost.. most will be lost. I find there will be so many from every nation tribe in heaven NO MAN can count! Far easier to be saved than lost. Anyone that comes to Him He will never cast out.

Debating is not evil... there are those that come and will not listen. You believe their way or its you thats in error. <---to me that is not of God. There are so many that in a debate saw the error and repented.. or just got it right... on and on. How do you talk to a wall?
 
Aerials1978

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Hann57 said:
That is not a question. It is a statement with a question

The word TRINITY i

Not interested in debate. The issue is your own salvation right now. What gospel are you trusting ?
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You’re right, the word trinity does not appear, but neither does the word omnipresent, but there is wording in scripture to give credence to an attribute of God. So we just say you do adhere to the doctrine of Oneness. Can you please explain John 17: 1-5?
 
BonnieClaire

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Hann57 said:
That is not a question. It is a statement with a question
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I'm beginning to wonder which Jesus you are trusting since you won't answer my simple question, so here it is again...

"...you don't believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God?"
 
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