Your faith does NOT make you perfect...

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#81
It is quite true that Paul said that about heresies (divisions): 18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Cor 11:18,19)

So what is Paul telling us? (a) there will be divisions within local churches because some will be presenting heresies and (b) the Holy Spirit will show Christians which doctrines and which teachers are to be approved and which are to be rejected. "There must also be heresies" means that they are to be expected.
So, I guess the real question is, how do we define "heresy"?
Sorry, I'm not giving up bacon!
 

justbyfaith

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So, I guess the real question is, how do we define "heresy"?
Sorry, I'm not giving up bacon!
I gave up Sausage Egg McMuffins in order to tell Jesus that I love Him more than those savoury meats.

I'm still having trouble resisting the Chicken Tater Melts at Jack-in-the-Box late at night, which contain bacon.

I believe that we will be called greater in the kingdom if we can be obedient to the food laws (Matthew 5:17-20).

However, obeying them is not necessary for salvation by any means (1 Timothy 4:1-6).
 
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#84
I gave up Sausage Egg McMuffins in order to tell Jesus that I love Him more than those savoury meats.

I'm still having trouble resisting the Chicken Tater Melts at Jack-in-the-Box late at night, which contain bacon.

I believe that we will be called greater in the kingdom if we can be obedient to the food laws (Matthew 5:17-20).

However, obeying them is not necessary for salvation by any means (1 Timothy 4:1-6).
You have an incredibly meticulous mind my friend! I can't keep up...
What do you do for a living?
 

justbyfaith

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You have an incredibly meticulous mind my friend! I can't keep up...
What do you do for a living?
I am basically retired...but when I worked I worked in the food industry.

I now spend most of my time reading my Bible and posting on these message boards.
 
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#86
Well... it seems we agree more than we disagree. Am I right?
 

Gardenias

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Can we be perfect in this world?
Of course we can because the father looks at us through the blood of his son, and it is his righteousness we put on, his perfection in following the father's will.

We however can never be perfect within ourselves because we still live in the FLESH. The flesh is always at war with the SPIRIT!

Our purpose here is to gather KNOWLEDGE (without knowledge the people perish),to have understanding through the Spirit,( leaning NOT on our own understanding, and to have wisdom.....wisdom is having an understanding of the knowledge the Spirit has taught you of the word, and wisdom in knowing WHEN & to WHOM to apply it.

Our mission in this world is to worship God, be Jesus' disciples and to spread the GOOD NEWS!

We are to be edifying one another,encouraging one another,even pulling each other from the fire ,tender hearted and forgiving one another.

Now I know that all here are not my brothers and sisters in the Lord. How you say bc the word teaches that NOT ALL that say Lord,Lord are truly in the vine.......but you know something that is NOT my cross to carry, that judgment falls into God's hands.

The word teaches us this BE SWIFT TO HEAR AND SLOW TO SPEAK!

If we would just follow our commission, let the Spirit lead and direct us, be a light for Jesus and love the brethren now that WOULD BE SOMETHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT!
 

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I am not attacking you at all, but you ARE a lone ranger.
I probably have a Lone Ranger spirit to go with my Pharisee and Leviathan spirits. I really should purcha$e a few book to help me get rid of 'em.
 

justbyfaith

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Can we be perfect in this world?
Of course we can because the father looks at us through the blood of his son, and it is his righteousness we put on, his perfection in following the father's will.

We however can never be perfect within ourselves because we still live in the FLESH. The flesh is always at war with the SPIRIT!

Our purpose here is to gather KNOWLEDGE (without knowledge the people perish),to have understanding through the Spirit,( leaning NOT on our own understanding, and to have wisdom.....wisdom is having an understanding of the knowledge the Spirit has taught you of the word, and wisdom in knowing WHEN & to WHOM to apply it.

Our mission in this world is to worship God, be Jesus' disciples and to spread the GOOD NEWS!

We are to be edifying one another,encouraging one another,even pulling each other from the fire ,tender hearted and forgiving one another.

Now I know that all here are not my brothers and sisters in the Lord. How you say bc the word teaches that NOT ALL that say Lord,Lord are truly in the vine.......but you know something that is NOT my cross to carry, that judgment falls into God's hands.

The word teaches us this BE SWIFT TO HEAR AND SLOW TO SPEAK!

If we would just follow our commission, let the Spirit lead and direct us, be a light for Jesus and love the brethren now that WOULD BE SOMETHING TO GET EXCITED ABOUT!
A few passages to contemplate...

Romans 6:6, Colossians 2:12;

1 John 1:5, 1 John 3:5 w/

1 John 5:20, 1 Corinthians 1:2, 1 Corinthians 1:30, 1 Peter 5:14;

1 John 3:5 w/ 1 John 4:17.

Preferably in the kjv, the NLT is also good.
 
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#93
Perfect Example Lol... Look at what we've done. Do we forgive argument as diligence?


Romans 6-6........
New International Version
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin—

New Living Translation
We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin.

English Standard Version
We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

Berean Study Bible
We know that our old self was crucified with Him so that the body of sin might be rendered powerless, that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

Berean Literal Bible
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be annulled, that we are no longer enslaved to sin.

King James Bible
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

New King James Version
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

New American Standard Bible
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

NASB 1995
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

NASB 1977
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, that our body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin;

Amplified Bible
We know that our old self [our human nature without the Holy Spirit] was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.

Christian Standard Bible
For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be rendered powerless so that we may no longer be enslaved to sin,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that sin’s dominion over the body may be abolished, so that we may no longer be enslaved to sin,

American Standard Version
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him , that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For we know that our old person was crucified with him, that the body of sin would be destroyed, that we shall not again serve sin.

Contemporary English Version
We know that the persons we used to be were nailed to the cross with Jesus. This was done, so our sinful bodies would no longer be the slaves of sin.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin may be destroyed, to the end that we may serve sin no longer.

English Revised Version
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;

Good News Translation
And we know that our old being has been put to death with Christ on his cross, in order that the power of the sinful self might be destroyed, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We know that the person we used to be was crucified with him to put an end to sin in our bodies. Because of this we are no longer slaves to sin.

International Standard Version
We know that our old natures were crucified with him so that our sin-laden bodies might be rendered powerless and we might no longer be slaves to sin.

Literal Standard Version
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with [Him], that the body of sin may be made useless, for our no longer serving sin,

NET Bible
We know that our old man was crucified with him so that the body of sin would no longer dominate us, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.

New Heart English Bible
knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be in bondage to sin.

Weymouth New Testament
This we know--that our old self was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our sinful nature might be deprived of its power, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin;

World English Bible
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be in bondage to sin.

Young's Literal Translation
this knowing, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of the sin may be made useless, for our no longer serving the sin;
 
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#94
With so many sources to choose from, we must trust God's judgement and forgive each other for our minor differences... If my neighbor condemns me for the length of my hair, I can easily shrug that off.
 

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Every lawyer, every politician, every minion of Lucifer must laugh every time we argue among ourselves... How appropriate for the first chapters of Revelation to be about God's judgment upon the churches!
The bible is a book chocca with arguments, discussions and debates, every page somebody is disputing with someone else ... that is the Jewish way of arriving at the truth.

If Paul can't find somebody to argue with he invents someone ... he states his doctrine and then says "but someone will say ..." and so presents a counter argument in order to tear it down.

We are people with a heritage that is more precious than silver and gold ... of COURSE we are going to argue.

It doesn't mean we hate our opponents ...
 
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#97
How can you be so sure...?
Lol ;)
 
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There is a major difference between being perfect, and being covered (hidden) by Christ's perfect righteousness. Remember, Christ didn't have to hide... He had to be FALSELY accused!

Which is worse...
Incoherent useless tongue babbling, or tedious incessant argument?

I wonder how many come here earnestly seeking answers... but, are ultimately... discouraged.

If you are not glorifying Christ and defining the gift of faith and Spirit, then your babbling arguments are useless to those seeking meaning and redemption. Or, distressing to those simply seeking encouragement these days. Go ahead, call me a hypocrite! At least I look foreword to Jesus ending ALL argument soon!