How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Right! And now if you would only get it....

[to ADD to my "P.S." from my last post (ran out of EDIT time)]

1 Corinthians 15 -

The Resurrection of Christ

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

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12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Laura, you are the one fighting against His words thru unbelief.

All the Saints who have died in Christ are with Christ now for Christ made the Way OPEN for us.

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying:

“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”

And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”

So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

Twisting Scripture Brother is sin. Why do you fight against the words of the LORD where the dead in Christ are FIRST to RISE.

Maybe you can help Laura out who believes in the doctrine of 'soul sleep' - unless you do also???

i think you said you believe Paul's words = 2 Cor 5:8 = YES/NO?

[...] Laura out who believes in the doctrine of 'soul sleep' - unless you do also???

Dear Friend, pre-trib never came out of the mouth of God - never mentioned in Scripture = not once.

Therefore, the Word says it is a Lie because it contradicts directly what the Word does say.

So the path of pre-trib must "add to and take away from God's words" in order to be spoken and believed.

This is a curved, twisting path that builds error upon error for it must because it is never found in Scripture.

But there is "After these thing" two times here and six more time as we advance into the future.

And the voice here is sounding like that of a trumpet. and its saying “Come up here"

You did just this in your Post #5,270

Rev 4:1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first (((voice))) which I had heard, (like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, “Come up here,) and I will show you what must take place after these things.”

So we call it God's "Simulator for the Rapture". Because He's showing it to us, but it has not happened yet; So that we would know the chronology. There is chronology in everything that God Does. Read the account of God restoring a dark, formless, and void earth. The details are specific, and therefore important to God.

You're apparently not reading what I've already put??

If you'd read my posts carefully, you would not be asking what you've asked me in the bold ^ .




[I don't think anyone really likes typing the same thing over and over again just to address a point one has already spelled out... *sigh*]

So I guess you didn't see the 25+ verses that SAY we "sleep" in death? Never mind. This is beyond pointless....

So we call it God's "Simulator for the Rapture". Because He's showing it to us, but it has not happened yet; So that we would know the chronology. There is chronology in everything that God Does. Read the account of God restoring a dark, formless, and void earth. The details are specific, and therefore important to God.

Unbelievable that will ALL the verses I've given -- people STILL isolate scripture and ignore all the rest that clearly states we will NOT receive our immortal bodies UNTIL Christ' return! That we CANNOT stand before God as some disembodied spirit before the resurrection--why would it even be called 'resurrection'--we CERTAINLY don't get our old bodies! It is our SOULS that are resurrected, not our decrepit, decayed body, and bones--sheesh and double sheesh....

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord
will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.



"will not precede" nullifies "at the same time"

"the dead in Christ rise FIRST" nullifies "at the same time"

"After that, we who are alive and remain are caught up" nullifies "at the same"

Now if you want to say that immediately after the resurrection the rapture will occur = AMEN

What is buried in David's Tomb?

Where are the Saints that the LORD brings with Him from Heaven???

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope.
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that:
God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen/died asleep in Him.

So - are you suggesting that the "souls under the altar" are post-resurrection?

How are they able to cry out to the Lord if they are 'asleep'?

In the context of Revelation 6, where is the altar?

pre-trib is disinformation from satan because God never said it - never

If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times--it is in the isolation of verses that ALL false doctrine originates--you need to read my posts Gary, before responding--it's like jumping in the middle of a conversation and missing what was said and then chiming in. Believers need to learn to test scripture against scripture--if it seems to say one thing, but then something else in another verse then read other verses to get to the TRUTH.

They are going to meet us in the sky. We go up into the clouds above the earth, and they are coming from the throne room in the third heaven... But all of this is on the thread in great detail... And for that matter if one is willing to judge correctly between you and me they will read everything for themselves, rather than a fault finder ruling in the darkness. But here we go; I will take the time to give a full explanation, as per your question. But for everyone else I will say this about you, that you are trying to bury what is (by far) more important.

All the elect are responding to the trumpet; When John arrives in the throne room; neither the Lamb, nor the Seven Spirits are there. The Rapture simulator is indicative of John going up at the same time the Lamb and the Seven Spirits are going down. They will be meeting with us in the clouds above the earth, before all of us ascend: therefore in front of the throne. But before we enter the throne room; John, who is the observer, sees and hears the lighting and thunder coming out of the throne (and when looking) It's then that he sees the Seven Spirits of God in front of the Throne. There is no one worth on earth, under the earth, or in the heavens, because everyone who is worthy is in the throne room, all the unrighteous were left behind to practice lawlessness, just like they have always been doing.

With everyone in the throne we FIRSTLY receive our (Kingdom of heaven) The kingdom offered to us was not a kingdom forged with the iron and clay. Initially, Our kingdom does not relate to flesh and blood conflict that is why the Harlot's cup is shown to be full of blood. The Jews have never been on a world wide assault on the nations, never insisting we take up Judaism or otherwise face some consequence. The Jews are absent of any history of profiteering while crossing all the oceans on merchant/military vessels, (((which amounted to cutting a deal with the beasts of the sea or they were going to take it anyway; that is by means of her "Secular Arm".)))

And you're missing a small but important key in the verse. It is not Jesus bringing ,it is God bringing through Jesus those who have fallen asleep--it says "through Jesus, God will bring us"--this is at the resurrection when we are caught up together in the air!

For example, a father tells his child to go bring his friend along with them to the fair---the father then takes them together to the fair--Christ is not bringing believers with him from heaven, we are going together with him at the resurrection!

"And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other."--Matthew 23:31

"…16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.…1st Thessalonians 4:17

"…51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.…"--1 Corinthians 15:52

"…41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor. 42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.…" 1st Corinthians 15:42
"“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."--Matthew 25

"Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is."--1st John 3:2

"10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."--1st Thessalonians 1:10

"But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him."--1st Corinthians 15:23

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."--John 5:25


Scripture never contradicts scripture--again I say it is in the isolation of verses that false doctrine originates--and the misunderstanding as you have here. You have made three mistakes. 1. You have isolated verses 2. You have not compared scripture against scripture 3. You have not, as the Bereans did, studied scripture for yourself to see if what you've been taught is true.