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pottersclay

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On the day of the crucifixion, the guards tore jesus clothes and gambled with them.
Some believe he was naked on the cross for shaming purposes. Some say he was left with just a loin cloth.
On the third day he rose (praise God) and was seen by a few.
As the days passed more and more saw him.

I'm sure jesus wasn't naked after he rose, and for sure not with just a loin cloth.

My question is where did he get the clothes, robe whatever you think he wore?

Ever consider this?
 

JaumeJ

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When Jesus Yeshua was being tortured the guards ridiculed Him because He was called King of the Jews by Pontius Pilate. They put the crown of thorns on His head and a purple robe on Him and bowed down mocking Him. He had already been dressed in the clothes He had wen he was taken prisoner, but the robe they adorned Hime with was of value so the guards wanted it for their own............. Jesus was dressed.
 

Nehemiah6

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My question is where did he get the clothes, robe whatever you think he wore?
It is entirely possible that Jesus miraculously clothed Himself. After all He spoke the worlds into existence.
 

JaumeJ

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It is entirely possible that Jesus miraculously clothed Himself. After all He spoke the worlds into existence.
Are following the thread at all. Is this how you study the Word? Come on, you know where the robe came from if you have read the account of His treatment by the guards when they played the 'game of kings' with Him.
 
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Actually, the first thing Jesus probably did was... TAKE A BATH!
 

ewq1938

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Mat 27:30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
Mat 27:31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

He was dressed in his clothes on the cross and was buried in the same clothes.
 

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On the day of the crucifixion, the guards tore jesus clothes and gambled with them.
Some believe he was naked on the cross for shaming purposes. Some say he was left with just a loin cloth.
On the third day he rose (praise God) and was seen by a few.
As the days passed more and more saw him.

I'm sure jesus wasn't naked after he rose, and for sure not with just a loin cloth.

My question is where did he get the clothes, robe whatever you think he wore?

Ever consider this?
Jesus was wrapped in traditional burial cloths when He died. These He cast aside in the tomb, I would expect when He descended into the grave, taking our sin and old nature with Him. If someone can create the universe with a few words, I doubt that making a new outfit would be a problem. The risen Jesus looked so normal that some of His followers did not recognise Him.
 

Nehemiah6

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Come on, you know where the robe came from if you have read the account of His treatment by the guards when they played the 'game of kings' with Him.
The robe was effectively stolen by the soldiers who cast lots for it at the cross. Therefore it became the property of a Roman soldier and fulfilled a prophecy.

And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. (Mt 27:35) And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take. (Mk 15:24)

23Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. (Jn 19:23,24)
 

JaumeJ

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The robe was effectively stolen by the soldiers who cast lots for it at the cross. Therefore it became the property of a Roman soldier and fulfilled a prophecy.

And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. (Mt 27:35) And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take. (Mk 15:24)

23Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout. 24They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. (Jn 19:23,24)
Sorry, you really do not pay attention to the posts. The previous question was about the attire of Jesus on the cross. It was not writen in your meticulous quote that the garment Jesus had on was removed from Him.
 

Grandpa

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I assumed it would be burial clothes.

Although I don't know exactly what those are, or what they would have looked like.
 
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pottersclay

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Jesus was wrapped in traditional burial cloths when He died. These He cast aside in the tomb, I would expect when He descended into the grave, taking our sin and old nature with Him. If someone can create the universe with a few words, I doubt that making a new outfit would be a problem. The risen Jesus looked so normal that some of His followers did not recognise Him.
Oh saint think of what your saying here. How could you look so normal no one could recognise you?
Jesus was clothed by the promise of God the white robe which paul talks about.
Being the first fruits...new body new clothes.
This should excite all the saints here, just as jesus rose from the grave so are we promised this new body, these new clothes.
My point is that sometimes in scripture its what is not explained that is relevant.
We tend to spiritualize that which is not spiritual
There are many things in this event that needs to be asked and investigated.
 
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pottersclay

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It is entirely possible that Jesus miraculously clothed Himself. After all He spoke the worlds into existence.
Oh saint this is the purpose of my post. I thought you'd have the answer😕😕
What did paul talk about what we be given? (White robe) 😗😗. We take off corruptible and put on incorruptible.
 

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Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
 

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On the day of the crucifixion, the guards tore jesus clothes and gambled with them.
Some believe he was naked on the cross for shaming purposes. Some say he was left with just a loin cloth.
On the third day he rose (praise God) and was seen by a few.
As the days passed more and more saw him.

I'm sure jesus wasn't naked after he rose, and for sure not with just a loin cloth.

My question is where did he get the clothes, robe whatever you think he wore?

Ever consider this?
Interesting question. I presumed it was heavenly clothes, but like some say, maybe people would have noticed more. Or maybe that's partly why they didn't recognise Him at first?
 

Mem

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Mary thought He was the gardener.
 

CS1

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On the day of the crucifixion, the guards tore jesus clothes and gambled with them.
Some believe he was naked on the cross for shaming purposes. Some say he was left with just a loin cloth.
On the third day he rose (praise God) and was seen by a few.
As the days passed more and more saw him.

I'm sure jesus wasn't naked after he rose, and for sure not with just a loin cloth.

My question is where did he get the clothes, robe whatever you think he wore?

Ever consider this?
when they took him off the cross they placed on him burial garments. in addition what happen to HIS Garment when he was on the Mount of Transfiguration?
 

tanakh

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Whoever placed him in the tomb may have dressed the body.
 
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Burial Customs During the Time of Christ

S. Safrai, "Home and Family," in The Jewish People in the First Century [1987], p.p. 773-


The following summarizes Jewish sources regarding burial customs at the time of Christ:


Rending the Garment
A death in the family immediately caused grief and lamentation, expressed in numerous forms some of which were required by the Halakah [the authoritative Jewish way of life found in various sources], including the obligations of the husband to his deceased wife. Others were merely customs or even just tolerated practices. Among the first signs of grief and mourning was the obligatory rending of garments by the members of the family, male and female alike; this obligation was particularly grave in the case of mourning for a parent. Those who were present at a death rent their garments even if they were not members of the family, while members of the family rent theirs either at the time of deeath or when they received notification of it.

Lighting Candles; Continuous Attendant
Our literature stressed the fact that it was customary to assign someone to attend the corpse continuously; and candles were lit at the head or feet of the corpse out of respect for the dead.

Must be Buried Same Day as Death
After these first arrangements, the family immeditely began preparations for funeral and burial. The traditions about the customs of Jerusaelm report that 'one should not keep the corpse through the night,' but rather bury it on the very day of death, and outside of Jerusalem efforts were also made to bury the dead as speedily as possible. Leaving a corpse unburied through the night, for any reason, was considered to be sinfully disrespectful, and was permitted only if more time was needed for the preparation of shrouds or a coffin. This haste may also be seen in the New Testament's account of the death of Ananias, the husband of Saphira, who was buried three hours after his death (see Acts 5:6-10).

Mourners and Pipers
In addition to preparation of shrouds and a coffin, burial arrangements included the acquistion of keeners [mourners] and pipers. A halakah informs us that, as a minimum, a husband was expected to provide on keening woman and two pipers for his wife's funeral, and this was required of even the poorest Jew. In some places pipes, shrouds, coffins and other requisite items were not readily available, and various regulations dealt with problems which arose in connection with the acquistion of such items on the sabbath, to be arranged with the assistances of gentiles, so that everything would be ready for a funeral upon the conclusion of the sabbath; other laws deal with the problems which arose if the pipers had not arrived by the scheduled start of the funeral. ... [The keeners] began their lamentations in the house of the deceased, even sitting upon the bed on which the corpse lay, and continued their wailing all along the route of the funeral procession. ...

Charitable Socities to Help Prepare Corpse
In most towns if not in all there existed charitable societies whose purpose was to care for the dead and aid the mourners, thus doing works of righteousness for both. ... These chariable groups also took care of the preparation of the corpse and perform such required functions as bath it and wrapping it in shrouds.

Preparing the Corpse
Preparatiion of the corpse for burial consisted mainly in washing it and wrapping it in shrouds. The Mishnah states that the corpse is anointed and rinsed. The body was first anointed with oil to clean it and this was followed by a bath of water. The Book of Acts, reporting the death of Tabitha in Joppa also mentions the washing of her corpse as part of the burial preparations.

The Gospel of John notes that as part of the preparation for Jesus' burial, his body was 'bound in linen cloths with spices, as was the burial custom of the Jews' (John 19:39-40; cf. 12:5-7). ...

The preparation of the corpse for burial further included trimming the hair, the only exception being unmarried girls, who were buried with their hair loose, just as brides were brought to their wedding. The body was wrapped in shrouds, which are frequently mentioned in Jewish sources. These were garments specially prepared, or freshly laundered, for the purpose of wrapping the dead. The Hebrew word for these burial garments connotes wrapping and binding more than dress ...

Coffins
Coffins, usually wooden, were used for burial, but the body was brought to the graveside, in a kliva, a sort of knitted covering.
 
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pottersclay

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Burial Customs During the Time of Christ

S. Safrai, "Home and Family," in The Jewish People in the First Century [1987], p.p. 773-


The following summarizes Jewish sources regarding burial customs at the time of Christ:


Rending the Garment
A death in the family immediately caused grief and lamentation, expressed in numerous forms some of which were required by the Halakah [the authoritative Jewish way of life found in various sources], including the obligations of the husband to his deceased wife. Others were merely customs or even just tolerated practices. Among the first signs of grief and mourning was the obligatory rending of garments by the members of the family, male and female alike; this obligation was particularly grave in the case of mourning for a parent. Those who were present at a death rent their garments even if they were not members of the family, while members of the family rent theirs either at the time of deeath or when they received notification of it.

Lighting Candles; Continuous Attendant
Our literature stressed the fact that it was customary to assign someone to attend the corpse continuously; and candles were lit at the head or feet of the corpse out of respect for the dead.

Must be Buried Same Day as Death
After these first arrangements, the family immeditely began preparations for funeral and burial. The traditions about the customs of Jerusaelm report that 'one should not keep the corpse through the night,' but rather bury it on the very day of death, and outside of Jerusalem efforts were also made to bury the dead as speedily as possible. Leaving a corpse unburied through the night, for any reason, was considered to be sinfully disrespectful, and was permitted only if more time was needed for the preparation of shrouds or a coffin. This haste may also be seen in the New Testament's account of the death of Ananias, the husband of Saphira, who was buried three hours after his death (see Acts 5:6-10).

Mourners and Pipers
In addition to preparation of shrouds and a coffin, burial arrangements included the acquistion of keeners [mourners] and pipers. A halakah informs us that, as a minimum, a husband was expected to provide on keening woman and two pipers for his wife's funeral, and this was required of even the poorest Jew. In some places pipes, shrouds, coffins and other requisite items were not readily available, and various regulations dealt with problems which arose in connection with the acquistion of such items on the sabbath, to be arranged with the assistances of gentiles, so that everything would be ready for a funeral upon the conclusion of the sabbath; other laws deal with the problems which arose if the pipers had not arrived by the scheduled start of the funeral. ... [The keeners] began their lamentations in the house of the deceased, even sitting upon the bed on which the corpse lay, and continued their wailing all along the route of the funeral procession. ...

Charitable Socities to Help Prepare Corpse
In most towns if not in all there existed charitable societies whose purpose was to care for the dead and aid the mourners, thus doing works of righteousness for both. ... These chariable groups also took care of the preparation of the corpse and perform such required functions as bath it and wrapping it in shrouds.

Preparing the Corpse
Preparatiion of the corpse for burial consisted mainly in washing it and wrapping it in shrouds. The Mishnah states that the corpse is anointed and rinsed. The body was first anointed with oil to clean it and this was followed by a bath of water. The Book of Acts, reporting the death of Tabitha in Joppa also mentions the washing of her corpse as part of the burial preparations.

The Gospel of John notes that as part of the preparation for Jesus' burial, his body was 'bound in linen cloths with spices, as was the burial custom of the Jews' (John 19:39-40; cf. 12:5-7). ...

The preparation of the corpse for burial further included trimming the hair, the only exception being unmarried girls, who were buried with their hair loose, just as brides were brought to their wedding. The body was wrapped in shrouds, which are frequently mentioned in Jewish sources. These were garments specially prepared, or freshly laundered, for the purpose of wrapping the dead. The Hebrew word for these burial garments connotes wrapping and binding more than dress ...

Coffins
Coffins, usually wooden, were used for burial, but the body was brought to the graveside, in a kliva, a sort of knitted covering.
Very interesting but let us remember that the sun was going down so there was not enough time to prepare jesus body. (The sabbath).
That is why mary and her crew set out once more to finish what was started.

Jesus when he was born was fitted in swaddling clothes. (I think I got the spelling correct) what are theses?
In death he was wrapped to preserve untill the sabbath had ended.
That wrapping was a ritual that they learned from Egypt believe it or not. What do you think this means?

There is so much to glean here we must pay close attention to the scriptures.😉😉
 
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My question is where did he get the clothes, robe whatever you think he wore?

Ever consider this?
I have never considered your question.


When Jesus was placed in the sepulchre, Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus wrapped the body in linen:

Luke 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.

Jhn 19:40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.


When the disciples went to the sepulchre, they found linen clothes:

Luke 24:12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.

John 20:3-7 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.



I wonder if the linen was somehow not fit after having been wrapped on a dead body ? perhaps something about touching a dead body rendered the linen clothes unfit for our risen Lord and Savior ???


Is God's Word silent in answering your question ?