The reason why I don't.

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pottersclay

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Many of you may wonder why I post with very little scripture reference....chapter..verse.

The word of God says to search the scriptures....this we see in the old as well as in the new.
The scrolls did not have chapters and numbered verses. To be honest I don't think God intended this to applied to his word.
If we go to chapter and verse we miss the context of the word. Drawing our own conclusions on what is being said.

Example.

We all know john 3:16 at least we should it's the most popular verse in the bible.
Now be honest how many can quote john 3: 15 by memory.
How about john 3:17 by memory.
If you can't then my point is made. What is really being said and meant in verse 3:16? Without contexts some may of drawn there own conclusions 😗

Another verse is "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" what is paul talking about? You may be surprised.

Or I may be wrong. Check it out.
 

ResidentAlien

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#2
I agree. I prefer to imagine there are no chapter, paragraphs or verse numbers. They're helpful for locating passages but that's about it.
 

Aaron56

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#3
I often do the same. Those who have the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus written on their hearts can discern the truth of what is written.
 

p_rehbein

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Why I do post Book, Chapter and Verse is so that the reader can go directly to the Verse quoted to verify I posted it correctly. Then they can read "in context" the previous/following verses to assure that I correctly used the verse I quoted. Sometimes I will look up a verse someone posted without giving Book, Chapter and Verse, sometimes I will not.

IMO, the Poster has the obligation to inform the Reader from where the Verse they quote comes from. But, that may just be me. It takes very little time, and it also serves as a "tool" for remembering the Verse.

To each his own I suppose........
 
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It is easy to misinterpret scripture if we aren't properly searching for context. Citing scripture makes it easier to correct an understanding. If someone claims "John 3:16 means X" it then becomes simpler to point to other portions of scripture that might bring a more correct context to the situation. A cited specific verse is usually a starting point to a conversation. Always recommend reading the surrounding text and context. Sometimes one chapter or book isn't enough. We often see James cited to argue for salvation through works (e.g. Abraham righteousness and works), and unless we look at the whole of scripture for context, the issue might become confused by James alone (i.e. Abraham believed in Christ and saw His day).

What you say has a very good point (always look at the larger context), but citing verses still has an important role in learning. It helps us recognize when a preacher is speaking from a school of thought unnecessary to scripture, or worse when that person's worldview is inconsistent with itself or scripture. Citing verses is useful, it just needs to be done with patience and intellectual honesty.
 

Blain

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Many of you may wonder why I post with very little scripture reference....chapter..verse.

The word of God says to search the scriptures....this we see in the old as well as in the new.
The scrolls did not have chapters and numbered verses. To be honest I don't think God intended this to applied to his word.
If we go to chapter and verse we miss the context of the word. Drawing our own conclusions on what is being said.

Example.

We all know john 3:16 at least we should it's the most popular verse in the bible.
Now be honest how many can quote john 3: 15 by memory.
How about john 3:17 by memory.
If you can't then my point is made. What is really being said and meant in verse 3:16? Without contexts some may of drawn there own conclusions 😗

Another verse is "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" what is paul talking about? You may be surprised.

Or I may be wrong. Check it out.
Yes people have said the same thing of me as well, I choose to use the scriptures not to debate or prove a point but to encourage edify and teach but some have said that the things I say are of scripture. I have brain damage and memory issues so I am unable to memorize scripture I often times have to look a verse up when people mention it or when I need reference to something but I speak my heart and perhaps his word is written on my heart and is why people say the things I say are of scripture.
But I have seen the word of God abused far to much to carelessly use it for my own agenda.

Far to often scripture is cherry picked thrown around or used as a weapon or simply to prove others wrong in debates, I have seen it used so blantantly and without restraint that it makes me wonder if people truly view as the word of God. Because for me the word of God is holy and sacred and should be treated as such it is not a toy for us to use as we please and should be handled with care and reverence it is a beautiful and wondrous treasure something more than gold or treasures and I would rather use it sparingly and for the right reasons than to use it without regard and for the wrong reasons
 
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pottersclay

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Another prime example is isaiah 53 about the suffering servant one that the rabbis don't teach.
Did you know that this is actually a song that starts in chapter 2.
 

oyster67

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Many of you may wonder why I post with very little scripture reference....chapter..verse.

The word of God says to search the scriptures....this we see in the old as well as in the new.
The scrolls did not have chapters and numbered verses. To be honest I don't think God intended this to applied to his word.
If we go to chapter and verse we miss the context of the word. Drawing our own conclusions on what is being said.

Example.

We all know john 3:16 at least we should it's the most popular verse in the bible.
Now be honest how many can quote john 3: 15 by memory.
How about john 3:17 by memory.
If you can't then my point is made. What is really being said and meant in verse 3:16? Without contexts some may of drawn there own conclusions 😗

Another verse is "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" what is paul talking about? You may be surprised.

Or I may be wrong. Check it out.
John
3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There we go, then. I kind of enjoy posting both verse and context. It is not a hardship for me. It's not like I'm wastin' ink or anythin'. :giggle::coffee:

I appreciate when other's print out Chap 'n Verse. I hope it don't bug you tooooo much, ole' chappy-boy. :D(y)
 
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pottersclay

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Another interesting thing is that saints study and study the letters of paul. Beautiful information in them.
Sad to say they know these letters far better than those written by our Lord and Savior jesus.
Yes I'm referring to the 7 letters to the churches written by God himself. As all scripture is but these are particularly interesting because saints you are one of these churches.
And for those that say "I can't lose my salvation" pay close attention to what the Lord Jesus says.
Salvation is not earned nor won but it is given freely to all that ask but as the great king that Jesus is he has a right to remove your name from the book of life. Moses even testified of this.
Deny me before men and I shall deny you to the father....not the purpose of this thread but ...read and make up your own minds.
Jesus also talks about the evil servant that thought it better to hide that what was given to him rather than share. The outcome was terrible.
 

oyster67

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Another prime example is isaiah 53 about the suffering servant one that the rabbis don't teach.
Did you know that this is actually a song that starts in chapter 2.
Isaiah
52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for [that] which had not been told them shall they see; and [that] which they had not heard shall they consider.

53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.
53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth.
53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
53:12 Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 
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pottersclay

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John
3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There we go, then. I kind of enjoy posting both verse and context. It is not a hardship for me. It's not like I'm wastin' ink or anythin'. :giggle::coffee:

I appreciate when other's print out Chap 'n Verse. I hope it don't bug you tooooo much, ole' chappy-boy. :D(y)
Not at all saint...now the link of 3:16 is in the story of moses lifting up that serpent sign...and for the expression of "for God so is actually the word "like wise".
 

oyster67

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Not at all saint...now the link of 3:16 is in the story of moses lifting up that serpent sign...and for the expression of "for God so is actually the word "like wise".
Just........ Amazing. :rolleyes:
 

JTB

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I usually don't quote scripture because scripture can be made to say pretty much whatever one wants. Plus, I'll put up one verse that says something, someone else puts up 2 that they claim say differently, I'll see there 2 and raise a third on my side, and it gets to be a game of scripture-poker to see who has the most verses in their corner.

And I don't like to gamble with God's word.
 

oyster67

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I never thought I would see the day when people would gripe and snipe against the posting of God's Holy Written Word and give preference to their own. This is a dark day on CC.
 

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With 31,103 verses in scripture, the Bible is vast in information, any new believer would be easily overwhelmed by it, and it's the new believer we are to disciple as asked, so that they too can share in the hope we carry within, I was in Bible Memory Association in my youth, God blessed me with a good memory, what I have found over the years, because of learning Book, Chapter and Verse, that it doesn't bother me to be mocked and even referred to as Satan at times for knowing Book Chapter and Verse. Been called arrogant and so many other names by those that didn't bother with it themselves. I see the comments about scripture being posted "with a wall so long, who would read it", as if it wasn't important to know in the first place, I think it is very important to every believer to know scripture, and that is all of it. How else is God going to write anything on your heart that you never took the time to know if you don't know it? what is there to write that isn't known if not written and given by the inspiration of God? Book Chapter and Verse gives me exact place where it is written so that I don't confuse any new believer hearing the word of God from out of my mouth and giving no offense in the ministry we are entrusted with. I don't condemn those that chose not to know it, it's their choice, but I was encouraged in being discipled to know God's word, Scriptures like Psalms 119:11, Jeremiah 15:16, Proverbs 4:20-22, Proverbs 15:28, 1 Peter 3:15, and the more I learned over the years, scripture like knowing Matthew 4:4 shows me the context I'm drawing from " the Temptation of Jesus Christ". I understand that some may only know John 3:16, and not verse 14 or 17, but some know the whole chapter and some even know the whole Book of John and Luke and Mark and Matthew and all the epistles, and I'm positive they rejoice continually day to day, regardless of what anyone has to say about it. We can walk with Him and do ask He asks or seek our own, that is a choice as well, yes it's Philippians 2:21, Luke 6:46, 1 John 2:6, 1 Corinthians 8:3, Proverbs 27:2. No, you don't have to bother to look them up, but at least you can have that opportunity of choice to do so with which Book Chapter and Verse given, or even recognize them if you do know them, as well with a warning in 2 Corinthians 10:12, because it should be all about Jesus right? and if not, it's just about you! 2 Peter 2:22...
 

Blain

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I never thought I would see the day when people would gripe and snipe against the posting of God's Holy Written Word and give preference to their own. This is a dark day on CC.
I believe in posting scripture but doing so for the right reasons I know that there has been many times when someone would post scripture and it was as if God was speaking to me specifically. What I don't appreciate is those who love to twist it or make it say what they want to say or use it to attack others it disgusts me
 
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pottersclay

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Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

This world has many warning labels for the mis-use of application, appliances, just about everything.

What warning label would you put on God's word if mis-used?
 

oyster67

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I believe in posting scripture but doing so for the right reasons I know that there has been many times when someone would post scripture and it was as if God was speaking to me specifically. What I don't appreciate is those who love to twist it or make it say what they want to say or use it to attack others it disgusts me
I'm sure you will agree with me that it is not the posting of Scripture that is the problem.

The problem is the user's foul and twisted commentary that follows it. It shocks me how so many on CC are allowed to purposefully and consistently pound out foul balls in an attempt to muddy the originally crystal clear and pure waters of God's Word. Some are even trying to silence the setting forth and posting of Scriptural Truth altogether. This is truly a sign that the last days are upon us. First, they took it out of schools; now they seek to take it out of CC. Dark day.
 

oyster67

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What warning label would you put on God's word if mis-used?
We have already been given one...

Revelation
22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Oops, sorry about that. I forgot that I was not supposed to post Scripture. :(
 

Blain

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I'm sure you will agree with me that it is not the posting of Scripture that is the problem.

The problem is the user's foul and twisted commentary that follows it. It shocks me how so many on CC are allowed to purposefully and consistently pound out foul balls in an attempt to muddy the originally crystal clear and pure waters of God's Word. Some are even trying to silence the setting forth and posting of Scriptural Truth altogether. This is truly a sign that the last days are upon us. First, they took it out of schools; now they seek to take it out of CC. Dark day.
2 Timothy 4: 3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
it would seem this is indeed the case