Saved by Water

lol. No one will come to faith unless they repent, It is known that for a person to come to true saving faith they have to change their thinking (repent)

Thats different than the physical work of water baptism. You don;t leave that out if it is required

Various scriptures point out specifics but not to the exclusion of others. In Mark 16:16 Jesus said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. Believing will prompt obedience this would include repentance as well.

Hebrews 5:9 makes this point. Jesus became the author of eternal salvation unto them that OBEY Him.

You may take anything as you like. However, your attempts to steer the conversation away from whether the bible confirms that water baptism is to be done in the name of the Lord Jesus is not going to work.

Baptism of the spirit is not giving the spirit.

It is the HS baptizing us.

The act of the HS being given to us is called anointing of the spirit. Or being anointed with the spirit.

So jesus said he who believes numerous time

And because he said ONE TIME baptism. It must be

1. Water baptism (not spirit)
2. Required.

ok.. Like I said, this conversation is going no where.

yep those who OBEY HIM.

That means his children obey him, those who are saved. to get saved but because we are saved

He gave MANY commands

the lords supper
Love others
Pray without ceasing
Give
Be baptized
Do not forsake assembling together

So if your going to make one command required. you better follow them all

Its no different than the law. If yout going to make one command a requirment your indebted to obey them all. And you better be perfect.

Consider that on the Day of Pentecost the individuals believed in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection. And ,afterward they asked Peter what they MUST DO. Peter's response included their need to repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin.

Repentance, and obedience to water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are associated with the NT rebirth. The other things in your list pertain to behavior expected from those who have been reborn.

Thank you for your answer.
Now everyone knows to disregard everything you post as false.

um nope

peter told EVERYONE to repent.

He told only individuals to be baptized.

even the origional KJV shows this. sadly the modern english versions do not show it because it does not differentiate between a plural you and a singular you

No by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us

This conversation is going no where. That is all I will say to you.

I did not come here to argue with people

If the translators had gotten it right, it would have said "repent, and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus 'because of' the remission of sins."

The idea is that we are saved the very moment we believe and the sins are then forgiven that moment. Then we are water baptized as an outward confession of Christ that came from inwardly by faith.

"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it." 1 Thess 5:23-24

You may want to reread the scripture:

"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:37-38

To suggest a scripture that contradicts your understanding must have been translated wrong, when in fact other scriptures confirm it to be true, is not wise. Consider that water baptism is for remission of sin as stated in Luke 3:3, Mark 1:4. Acts 22:16.

actually in the Origional king james bible.

it says repent YE (plural form of the word you) and let every one of YOU (singular form of the word you) be baptized.

You also should look in the greek. It does not say what you think it says.

Has anyone on here changed their mind yet?

A lot of time and effort being wasted here, so goodbye.

The baptism of John was one of repentance. Have you not read of the group of men Paul met who didn't understand what the baptism of John meant?

Paul asked them what baptism have they baptized with, they replied, John's baptism, then Paul told them John's baptism was a baptism of repentance, meaning to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 19:1-7

The baptism in water did not save them, it was faith in Christ in repentance that saved them. This is the point Paul made to them. They didn't understand this until Paul explained it and then they believed what Paul said and were saved then water baptized in the name of the Lord with was the confession outwardly of what had happened inwardly through faith.

You've had Acts 2:38 explained to you so many times, it ain't even funny.

Your theory has been thoroughly refuted by the pattern of receiving the Holy Spirit in the case of Cornelius and Gal 3:2,5.

All of which you just merrily ignore.

Nope. Peter in fact ONLY baptised them after being convinced that they already had the Spirit.

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. Clearly implies they also BELIEVED the message.

45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. Again, note that Cornelius and company STILL had not been baptised yet.

46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, This is evidence that they HAD received the Spirit.

47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

The "so" is between v.47 and the EVIDENCE of having the Spirit, and v.48 where Peter THEN ordered that they be baptised.

btw, note the wording. Peter wasn't ordering Cornelius to be baptised. He was ordering that those who do the baptizing baptise Cornelius and company.

Words mean things. We do well to heed them.

I'v already pointed all this out, but you did not address it. Will you this time?

quite a bit is allowed here for discussion

up to the mods what is allowed