Possible COVID remedy

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Gideon300

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The article relates to the possible efficacy of heparin to prevent COVID transmission. Unlike other treatments that have no scientific basis (such as invermectin), heparin will undergo trials to ensure that it is effective. It is in common use already for other purposes, so its safety and side effects are well known. Heparin is cheap and requires no special storage, ideal for countries that cannot store vaccines effectively.

Heparin will not activate the immune system. It works, in theory, by preventing virus growth in cells.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12...-use-of-common-drug-to-combat-covid/100717224
 

Nehemiah6

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Unlike other treatments that have no scientific basis...
Gideon, you have been provided with proof of the effectiveness of ivermectin, yet you continue to promote the lies of the liars. Which makes you a liar. Now please take note:

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC8248252
Moderate-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%-91%).

I trust you will tender an apology to all readers for trying to deliberately mislead them. Especially is some life might be at risk right now.
 

Gideon300

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Gideon, you have been provided with proof of the effectiveness of ivermectin, yet you continue to promote the lies of the liars. Which makes you a liar. Now please take note:

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC8248252
Moderate-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%-91%).

I trust you will tender an apology to all readers for trying to deliberately mislead them. Especially is some life might be at risk right now.
When invermectin is approved by the Australian government's TGA, I will agree. It's not even available in human dosage here. The TGA is the equivalent of the USA's FDA. The USA's poison advisory service has reported a rise in instances of invermectin poisoning.

A drug not only must be effective, it must be safe. My dog has a hip problem, old age. So do I, same reason. The dog can be treated with 4 jabs. It's done in the waiting room by a nurse. The same drug failed human trials. I wish it was available for people.

There is a safe, effective and readily available help for COVID, both prevention and to limit the effects if people still catch it. It is vaccination. If invermectin worked, it would be jumped on, just as heparin has been.

Conspiracy theorists can't have it both ways. Heparin is the second most commonly drug prescribed. It's cheap and can be administered as a nasal spray. So in the twisted world of the conspiracy crowd, it should have been buried to ensure profits of the evil pharmaceutical companies. Well it is about to undergo trials.
 

Gideon300

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Gideon, you have been provided with proof of the effectiveness of ivermectin, yet you continue to promote the lies of the liars. Which makes you a liar. Now please take note:

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmc › articles › PMC8248252
Moderate-certainty evidence found that ivermectin prophylaxis reduced COVID-19 infection by an average 86% (95% confidence interval 79%-91%).

I trust you will tender an apology to all readers for trying to deliberately mislead them. Especially is some life might be at risk right now.
Further to my last reply, invermectin is still not approved by the FDA for COVID treatment.
 

JaumeJ

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A lot of Google and and imaginary conspiracy by self/proclaiming experts. No credentials.
 

Nehemiah6

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Further to my last reply, invermectin is still not approved by the FDA for COVID treatment.
And FDA actually plays by the rules? You must be more naive than informed.
 

Lynx

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And FDA actually plays by the rules? You must be more naive than informed.
Dude. He is talking up another covid remedy that does not require protein Spike vaccines. You should be overjoyed!

Why do you not want anybody talking about a cure other than ivermectin?
 

Nehemiah6

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Why do you not want anybody talking about a cure other than ivermectin?
Because what is ALREADY tried and true, and cheap and effective, should not be attacked and sabotaged. Had the medical establishment simply offered this sole remedy to everyone, no one would have been hospitalized or died.

String of Suits Force Covid-19 Ivermectin Treatment in Hospitals
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/healt...ce-covid-19-ivermectin-treatment-in-hospitals

None of this would have been necessary if people like Gideon had kept an open mind about ivermectin.
 

Lynx

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Just can't please some people. :rolleyes:
 

Billyd

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According to the

https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a682826.html

Heparin is used to prevent blood clots from forming in people who have certain medical conditions or who are undergoing certain medical procedures that increase the chance that clots will form. Heparin is also used to stop the growth of clots that have already formed in the blood vessels, but it cannot be used to decrease the size of clots that have already formed. Heparin is also used in small amounts to prevent blood clots from forming in catheters (small plastic tubes through which medication can be administered or blood drawn) that are left in veins over a period of time. Heparin is in a class of medications called anticoagulants ('blood thinners'). It works by decreasing the clotting ability of the blood.

It's side effects include

Heparin may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:
  • redness, pain, bruising, or sores at the spot where heparin was injected
  • hair loss
Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of these symptoms, call your doctor immediately:
  • unusual bruising or bleeding
  • vomit that is bloody or looks like coffee grounds
  • stool that contains bright red blood or is black and tarry
  • blood in urine
  • excessive tiredness
  • nausea
  • vomiting
  • chest pain, pressure, or squeezing discomfort
  • discomfort in the arms, shoulder, jaw, neck, or back
  • coughing up blood
  • excessive sweating
  • sudden severe headache
  • lightheadedness or fainting
  • sudden loss of balance or coordination
  • sudden trouble walking
  • sudden numbness or weakness of the face, arm or leg, especially on one side of the body
  • sudden confusion, or difficulty speaking or understanding speech
  • difficulty seeing in one or both eyes
  • purple or black skin discoloration
  • pain and blue or dark discoloration in the arms or legs
  • itching and burning, especially on the bottoms of the feet
  • chills
  • fever
  • hives
  • rash
  • wheezing
  • shortness of breath
  • difficulty breathing or swallowing
  • hoarseness
  • painful erection that lasts for hours
Heparin may cause osteoporosis (condition in which the bones become weak and may break easily), especially in people who use the medication for a long time. Talk to your doctor about the risks of using this medication.
Heparin may cause other side effects. Call your doctor if you have any unusual problems while using this medication.
 

Gideon300

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And FDA actually plays by the rules? You must be more naive than informed.
It's not just the FDA. Other national health bodies reject ivemectin also. I thought that a non-vaccine solution to COVID would make you happy. Obviously not. It also shoots down the motivation that anti vaxxers use to oppose vaccines. I guess that you are not so happy with that. No human institution is perfect and some are utterly corrupt. Ivermectin is not only unproven, it can be dangerous,

"Westmead Hospital in Sydney’s west says it has treated a patient who overdosed after taking the drug ivermectin, an unproven and potentially dangerous treatment for COVID-19.

The person went to hospital seeking treatment for diarrhoea and vomiting side-effects, after taking the drug, which is usually used to treat parasites. The person had ordered this and other unproven COVID “cures” online."

According to the

https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a682826.html

Heparin is used to prevent blood clots from forming in people who have certain medical conditions or who are undergoing certain medical procedures that increase the chance that clots will form. Heparin is also used to stop the growth of clots that have already formed in the blood vessels, but it cannot be used to decrease the size of clots that have already formed. Heparin is also used in small amounts to prevent blood clots from forming in catheters (small plastic tubes through which medication can be administered or blood drawn) that are left in veins over a period of time. Heparin is in a class of medications called anticoagulants ('blood thinners'). It works by decreasing the clotting ability of the blood.

It's side effects include

Heparin may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:
  • redness, pain, bruising, or sores at the spot where heparin was injected
  • hair loss
Some side effects can be serious. If you experience any of these symptoms, call your doctor immediately:
  • unusual bruising or bleeding
  • vomit that is bloody or looks like coffee grounds
  • stool that contains bright red blood or is black and tarry
  • blood in urine
  • excessive tiredness
  • nausea
  • vomiting
  • chest pain, pressure, or squeezing discomfort
  • discomfort in the arms, shoulder, jaw, neck, or back
  • coughing up blood
  • excessive sweating
  • sudden severe headache
  • lightheadedness or fainting
  • sudden loss of balance or coordination
  • sudden trouble walking
  • sudden numbness or weakness of the face, arm or leg, especially on one side of the body
  • sudden confusion, or difficulty speaking or understanding speech
  • difficulty seeing in one or both eyes
  • purple or black skin discoloration
  • pain and blue or dark discoloration in the arms or legs
  • itching and burning, especially on the bottoms of the feet
  • chills
  • fever
  • hives
  • rash
  • wheezing
  • shortness of breath
  • difficulty breathing or swallowing
  • hoarseness
  • painful erection that lasts for hours
Heparin may cause osteoporosis (condition in which the bones become weak and may break easily), especially in people who use the medication for a long time. Talk to your doctor about the risks of using this medication.
Heparin may cause other side effects. Call your doctor if you have any unusual problems while using this medication.
Virtually every medication has a laundry list of potential side effects. Heparin is the second most used medication in the world. It is essentially safe except in very rare cases.
 

Gideon300

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Because what is ALREADY tried and true, and cheap and effective, should not be attacked and sabotaged. Had the medical establishment simply offered this sole remedy to everyone, no one would have been hospitalized or died.

String of Suits Force Covid-19 Ivermectin Treatment in Hospitals
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/healt...ce-covid-19-ivermectin-treatment-in-hospitals

None of this would have been necessary if people like Gideon had kept an open mind about ivermectin.
None of this would be necessary if people like you bothered with facts.
 

Lynx

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Virtually every medication has a laundry list of potential side effects. Heparin is the second most used medication in the world. It is essentially safe except in very rare cases.
Google claims the second most used medication is an ACE inhibitor used to treat high blood pressure.

I'm not trying to argue against it being used to treat covid, but I have no idea where you got the claim about it being second most used.
 

Lynx

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I personally believe the word liar should not be tossed about so casually.
You must be new here. :sneaky:

You ain't seen nothing yet. They get downright vicious sometimes in these covid threads.
 

Seeker47

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....almost as bad as any discussion involving homosexual Christians. (Now I did it)!!!!!
 

Lynx

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Nah, we never discuss that here for some reason.

Not that I miss it, mine.
 

Gideon300

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Google claims the second most used medication is an ACE inhibitor used to treat high blood pressure.

I'm not trying to argue against it being used to treat covid, but I have no idea where you got the claim about it being second most used.
I'm fairly sure that I included this link with my post.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12...-use-of-common-drug-to-combat-covid/100717224

Somewhat eyeglazing but comprehensive is this report:

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...o-Create-Opportunities-for-Market-Growth.html