TONGUES false teaching.

Complete and utter nonsense!

I WANT TO BELIEVE

I went to several Pentecostal and Charismatic churches for the first 25 years of my Christian walk (and 15 years prior), including: UPC, Independent Pentecostal, Apostolic Faith, Assemblies of God, Independent Charismatic, and Vineyard Movement. I spoke in tongues as it is taught by all those denominations. But after 45 years of studying the Bible, growing spiritually, and experiencing God, I found that I was deceived, and that what I was practicing was not of divine origin.

That knowledge did not come suddenly. But looking back on that experience, not once did I hear an authentic Biblical tongues in which a real and intelligible message was conveyed. Every time I heard tongues and interpretation, they did not have a semblance of comparison. I listened to this video: which sounds like a language with a translation. Can someone with linguistic knowledge prove to me that it is? Otherwise, I have to assume that it's a Big Fish story.

I also listened to this video: It is unconvincing. The point of it is that the speech center of the man's brain was inactive while he was speaking in tongues. DUH!! It means he wasn't speaking anything that had meaning. One could say he was just moving his mouth and making noise, so of course the speech center of his brain was inactive. So it doesn't prove anything at all.

The problem with "sounding like..." doesn't make it true or authentic. In order for me (and millions of other Christians like me) to know that modern tongues (secular term) is authentic and of God is to show its miraculous nature. Just claiming it is miraculous doesn't make it so. Neither does debating scripture and opinions cut the mustard, as 47 pages of this thread shows.

What needs to happen is for someone with authentic Biblical tongues to make a video of them speaking in tongues, and let it be examined by linguists who have the ability to decode the message. Like the video above, tongues and interpretation would really be great, in which a linguist can figure out the message in tongues and verify that the interpretation is correct.

What I would like is for people to stop being lazy about this issue. If people started recording their tongues and transliterating what they said, and presented it to linguists for translation, think about how the churches could be edified. Pentecostals and Charismatics (P/Cs) everywhere would be greatly encouraged that this activity is proven miraculous. There would be no more excuses for cessationists to reject it, so it would bring unity to Christians everywhere. False tongues would be exposed and that would shut the mouths of pretenders and those deceived.

But according to this book: https://www.amazon.com/Tongues-men-...eywords=samarin&qid=1561690737&s=books&sr=1-1
modern tongues is a pseudo-language. It sounds like a language, but lacks structure and vocabulary to convey any meaning. It also states that non-Christians can do it, and in fact, anyone can do it, if they try hard enough.

And according to P/C doctrine, every Christian could/should/may speak in tongues. The doctrinal statements go something like this: Every Christian can receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, and speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. So if we examine these statements carefully, there is a clear assumption that anyone can speak in tongues (if baptized in the Spirit). This implies that anyone can do it, in fact, it is the expectation of P/Cs that every Christian ought to have this experience.

Yet, it is clearly not a Biblical expectation. The apostle Paul taught that the Holy Spirit is the one who decides who gets what gift, even if he said "desire earnestly the best gifts." Desiring a gift doesn't guarantee getting it, because it is given by God, not taken by people. Yet, it remains a P/C expectation, to the extent that it is a dogma in those denominations.

What Kavik said in his post here: https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/tongues-false-teaching.196454/page-12#post-4451321
about the origin of the P/C movement is correct, and I have read the same historical account. IMO if P/Cs would honestly examine the roots of their movement, they would question the authenticity of what they have.

I claim that modern tongues is a human ability, and is not of divine origin. Let someone prove me wrong. Post a video of yourself speaking in tongues, and also post a transliteration of what you spoke in that video. Let's get some linguistic evaluation of it, to find out if there is a real message in it, or if it's merely random syllables that convey no meaning.

As long as people are kept in the dark, the controversy will never be resolved. Christians will continue to be divided on the issue. Counterfeit tongues will continue to cover up any authentic gift by virtue of sheer noise. So then, why continue to keep people in the dark about it? Is it too much work? Is there a fear of exposure, that it might show that "The Emperor Has No Clothes"? Is this why P/Cs want tongues to remain in the realm of the mysterious?

I get that P/Cs have a vested interest in keeping people in the dark about it. The Bible says "he who comes to the light does so, that it might be shown that what he has done has been done through God." So, if anyone wants to show that his gift of tongues is done through God, then the way to do that is the way I suggested above. But if people don't want to do that, it begs the question 'why'.

Because if modern tongues is not miraculous and not of God, then anyone who does it and claims it is a gift of the Spirit is taking the Lord's name in vain. It's just like someone claiming to be a prophet and saying "thus saith the Lord" when the Lord did not speak to them - that person takes the Lord's name in vain. So it is with someone who speaks random syllables with no inherent meaning, and says "it's a miraculous gift of the Spirit". Such a person is taking the name of the Lord in vain, because it is neither miraculous, nor a gift of the Spirit. Just because a person sincerely believes that what they are speaking is the authentic gift of tongues, doesn't make it so, and it doesn't get them off the hook about taking the Lord's name in vain.

Come on, people. Stop the laziness. Do the work. Prove the miraculous nature of speaking in tongues. Real healings have been documented. I don't mean Big Fish Stories. I mean pictures, X-rays, before/after comparisons, doctors examining and diagnosing, and documenting the healings. Why can't this be done with tongues? The only documented evidence I've seen is such as in the book I referenced "Tongues of Men and Angels," that shows the marked non-miraculous nature of it. Let's get busy on the other side, doing the same evaluation of the authentic gift!

Anecdotal evidence is not enough. It's not enough that people have testimonies about it. P/Cs have been historically notorious for Big Fish stories. Hearsay is not valid evidence. Just because you believe a story doesn't make it true. What is valid evidence in this case is videos, transliterations, and linguistic evaluations. I dare say that every video posted on youtube of people speaking in tongues is not authentic Biblical tongues. Prove me wrong. Do the work.

I said: my experience with this movements is against what is written in 1. COR. 12,11.
You should give back what I have written correct!

14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Whenever I've read 1 Corinthians I was always under the impression that by "an unknown tongue" this meant simply saying words without understanding the meaning behind them
I'm not all that familiar with the idea of the Pentecostal church, but I remember my mom telling me about it before, how people will speak what seems like "gibberish" and not a known language, and claim that this is of the holy spirit in them speaking
I do not believe this is at all what is meant in these verses
And I do not want to offend anyone though I think those that do the "gibberish" speaking are saying at the least that they are spiritually confused and desire to speak with their spirit
If I were to speak with my spirit alone, it is simply like spiritual rumination for example, it is messy and to others would seem loony, there are loose ends and no conclusions
That is why the understanding is important

your understanding of one verse which is part of unit chapters of 1cor 12 through 14 you have been told them many times, you are just wrong and arrogant. You know nothing of the movement. And your experience does not make the word of God to no effect. You are more secular in your biblical approach.

ignorant comment as unusual. 1cor chapter 12 through `14 do not teach all believers will not get this gift it teaches all gifts given to ALL are for the better meant of all. You have a bias and have a bad habit of attacking Pentacostels yet can't provide one Biblical verse to support your position. You get called on this every time.

One verse sometimes can be important. I have learned that ignoring verses for to create an certain view is no correct bible teaching.
I know enough about the teachings from the pentecostal and charismatic movements.
Many of them told me what i have to believe and what not.
Before 1901 speaking in tongues was not given in the churches. It was found in cults.

If it would be taught according the scripture, then this gift would be equal treatet like all other spiritual gifts. But speaking in tongues became a measure if someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit or not.
This teaching i cant find in the bible. Special if we talk about the church of corinth which was blamed from Paul as childish and fleshly.
With terrible sins.

And in compare with prophecie, Paul clear, said that a Christian should prefer the gift of prophecie more then the gift of speaking in tongues.

Your view isn't better than the next persons view. Lets not name call. Lets agree to disagree. Saying somone view is ignorant because they don't agree with you is absolutely absurd

Your view isn't better than the next persons view. Lets not name call. Lets agree to disagree. Saying somone view is ignorant because they don't agree with you is absolutely absurd

Can 2 Interpretations of One Teaching be correct?
Is the Holy Spirit confused to give 2 opposing Meanings?

You in a world of lost if you stuck on 2 opposing meanings., when in reality there's multiple opposing meanings. Expand your brain a little more dear

You in a world of lost if you stuck on 2 opposing meanings., when in reality there's multiple opposing meanings. Expand your brain a little more dear

can you answer my question of the verses I provided, please? I think you just did what you accused me of

Acts 1:8
John chapters 14, 15
1cor chapter 12-14

please tell me what you know of them

thank you

There is One Truth!
How can there be several interpretations of One Truth?

This isn't a test dear. I shouldn't have to answer anything. We share views hun, not give quizzes dear. God bless and happy new year

The same way there's a new testament and a old testament

test ? you don't have a biblical position or thought on the context of the word of God and the verses below concerning this topic? Or is it you just don't know? Please what is your understanding of these verses?

Acts 1:8
John chapters 14, 15
1cor chapter 12-14

please tell me what you know of them

thank you

And the One Truth about both covenants, they connect through the Death of Christ for Eternal Salvation. Christ's Death goes back to Adam and goes forward until the Second Coming.