flat earth.

There is no "gotcha" for anti-FE. It's proven empirically and by observation that the earth is a sphere. I found out that the moon appears upside down yesterday. I've never doubted that the earth is a sphere.

We do not see the stars. We see the light transmitted by the stars. Some may not exist as the light has had to travel so far that the star could have been destroyed by the time the light gets to us. The problem with examining the sun is not its brightness. Filters can take care of that. The sun is constantly changing on the surface. The moon is constant.

People can see the moon without positional distortion. It's not at all distorted close to the moon because there is no atmosphere. The people who have walked on it can tell you that.

Lying Freemasons claimed to have walked on the Moon. I happen to own a Scottish Rite Freemasonic medallion commemorating the event: "Our Flags On the Moon." People don't realize that the Apollo 11 astronauts and many of the administrators were Freemasons. Supposedly they had a Freemasonic apron with them when they "walked on the Moon." No one gives credit to the camera guy who somehow made it down to the surface first in order to film the historic "first steps." Ha.

After NASA cranked out all their "Moon landings" MTV took over the propaganda campaign. MTV has always pushed the Moon landing theme, and interestingly MTV is run out of a Masonic Temple.

Go look up something called the "Axis of Evil" as related to astrophysics. I'll summarize. According to Big Bang cosmology, there should be a bunch of background radiation to the universe left behind by the Big Bang, and it should be homogeneous. Like lime jello. A probe was sent up to measure that background radiation. Lo and behold... there was a pattern of hot and cold spots in the background radiation of the universe. Hot and cold spots that formed two axes, like two swords stuck in a block of lime jello. Those swords intersected at a certain point. Yes, you can see where this is going. Those hot and cold spots intersected at the Earth, meaning either the Earth is the center of the created order and does not move, or as the "planet" hurtles through space it somehow drags the background radiation of the universe along with it. Impossible by every explanation. The probe's results were unthinkable, so two more rounds of probes were sent up to measure the background radiation... with the same results. Because the results challenge everything we "know " about the universe, the phenomenon was dubbed "The Axis of Evil" and buried. You won't hear modern scientism talking about it, though it's a matter of public record for anyone who cares to look.

THE EARTH IS FIXED AND DOES NOT MOVE, JUST AS THE SCRIPTURES SAY.

We will have to agree to disagree. And you still need to quit slandering born again Christians.

Lying Freemasons claimed to have walked on the Moon.

And you still need to quit slandering born again Christians.

The people who have walked on it can tell you that.

Actually you can see "sunset" footage online of the sun simply fading out into the distance sometimes, instead of dropping "down" over horizon in what we think of as a usual sunset. In such a situation, the Sun is still within direct line of sight... but the visibility conditions simply don't allow the observer to see it.

I have seen for myself the sun rising and setting, not merely fading/ emerging. No amount of argument can unconvince me that the earth is (roughly) spherical.

I have seen for myself the sun rising and setting, not merely fading/ emerging. No amount of argument can unconvince me that the earth is (roughly) spherical.

The visible sunrise and sunset is an optical effect caused by different density layers in the atmosphere. The air is thicker at ground level and less dense higher up.

Your statement that you WILL NOT be convinced no matter what is the real problem here. I'm assuming that like everyone else, including me, by the way, you were taught a globe Earth since you were about 3. Any refusal to examine any contrary evidence is simply mental laziness and indoctrination.

Insulting me is not going to win you any consideration.

These people who claim to have walked on the moon, when critically questioned, because extremely angry. One of them even violently punched another in the face. That's quite a reaction, or do you consider this to be "normative" behavior for "born-again" christians?

Of course, none of this will influence you.

(See, I check these things).

Apologies. It wasn't meant to be an insult, more of an observation and perhaps a bit of a rebuke.

Was I correct with my assumption that you (like me) were taught the globe from about the same time you were learning to read and write? Have you ever considered an alternative?

I believed in the globe like anyone else who was taught it until I was almost 34. Never thought to question it.

In all fairness, there's a ton of misinformation and controlled opposition out there as related to the flat earth stuff. The Flat Earth Society puts out almost nothing but nonsense. I never had a chance to believe anything different until I encountered DITRH. Here's his site:

https://www.theflatearthpodcast.com/must-see-videos/

You are in no position to be rebuking anyone on this site.

As for your link, I may check it out, if only to identify the laughable errors it promotes.

I did not say, and it is not the case, that all the people who walked on the moon were Christians. You have no satisfactory answer as to why they would lie, believer or not. Perhaps they object to going through possibly the most dangerous experience ever and being called liars.

I don't suppose you can explain why no one has been to the edge of the earth that must exist if it is flat. I don't imagine that you have an explanation for gravity. Your mathematical formula refers to a parabola, not the curve of a circle. (See, I check these things). That is why objects don't behave according to the formula. Of course, none of this will influence you. I'm hoping only that the undecided will realise that FE is a dud.

I think that it would be amazing if there was a day when there were no fights or insults being thrown. This reminds me of marriage.

Serious flat earthers don't believe there is an edge. The depiction of a solar system with a flat cracker Earth put in place of a planet Earth is pure disinformation. No serious informed flat earther believes this.

The Earth plane is the "basement of the universe." The continents stand out of the great deep and Antarctica is a ring around the circular "pond" which are the Earth's oceans. Beyond Antarctica, regions of ice extend outwards in all directions for an unknown distance.

(Job 38:30) "The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen."

Not a video I 100% agree with, but pretty solid:

One day in Paradise, friend!