NOT EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES WILL BE SAVED

I'd keep studying all of Colossians 2:9-15. All of it. All verses are tied together by the Circumcision of Christ . . . that is the context. It is the Circumcision made without hands that Purifies, makes a True Believe complete and renders the Devil as defeated. This is the removal of the Curse of the Lord . . . the Curse element that includes the Sinful Nature.

When you get this figured out, the entire Bible will open up like never before.

Physical blindness, in the scriptures, is always a picture of someone who still in their sins and in need of salvation. Christ didn't open the eyes of the physically blind only to demonstrate physical miracles. Everything Christ did was centered around salvation. So, wherever we come across those who were physically made blind by God throughout the Bible, it goes hand-in-hand with his sovereignty in salvation. Likewise when we come across passages where God opened the eyes of the physically blind, it was for the purpose of demonstrating his salvation.

John 9:25 (KJV) 25 He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.

This blind man could now see the Truth, he could see Christ. Inversely, those who believed they were holy children of God and righteous, are described as being made blind. Blind to the Truth, which again, is Christ.

John 9:39 (KJV) 39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

And who is the only one whom the scriptures teach that has the power to blind? God of course.

I noticed you quoted most of the scriptures I gave you in full, and then gave your own summation of what this must all mean. But you quoted all in full, but one. All but the one that helps us leave our own ideas out of this equation and lets the scriptures (as you rightly said) be our commentary.

John 12:37-41 (KJV)
But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 That (this is the reason) that the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, (now we are going to be told why they could not believe) because that Esaias said again, 40 He (GOD) hath blinded their eyes, AND hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him (GOD).

Here is one of your comments on all this: "Actually, it was the people’s hearts that cause them their blindness so that by effect God blinded them".

But who hardened the people's hearts so that they should not see? It wasn't the Devil and it wasn't their hatred for Christ. It was God.
"He (GOD) hath blinded their eyes, AND hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted,...".

This is letting the scriptures speak for themselves in order for us not to insert own own possibilities of what must fit in with our doctrine. So, since we know where this prophecy originated and know who's causing the blindness and hardness of heart. Now we can properly understand when we read the fulfillment, even if it sounds like they themselves caused their blindness and hardness of heart.

God gives us an example of this with Pharaoh, king of Egypt.

Exodus 4:21 (KJV)
.....but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Exodus 7:3 (KJV)
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

God tells us in advance, that he's going to harden the heart of Pharaoh so that he will not let the people go and that he will perform all his wonders in Egypt. Then, as we read how the account unfolds, we see where we're told that God hardened his heart and Pharaoh hearkened not unto them, just as God said.

Exodus 7:13 (KJV)
And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

But then we read that Pharaoh hardened his heart. So, was this his own doing? Not at all. We know this because God uses the same sentence as before to describe why Pharaoh hardened his heart.

Exodus 8:15 (KJV)
But when Pharaoh saw that there was respite, he hardened his heart, and hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

When did the Lord say that Pharaoh was going to harden his heart? He didn't.

But God is showing us that when we know (because we're told in the scriptures) that God is the one who's going to perform the action, and then we read something that seems like the individual, either hardened his own heart or caused their own blindness, then we can know how to properly understand what we're reading and who actually caused it.

You also made this statement as to the blinding of the Jews:
"We have to notice that these Jews were said to them one time they were fulfilling the lust of their father, the Devil as in John 8:44 who had already blinded them, and yet these blind people increased their hatred to Christ and the blindness part is the effect of what they did".

Can you provide the scriptures that teach that it was the devil who blinded them rather than God? I imagine you're going to post 2 Corinthians 4:4, which I saw another reply by you in another post to the topic of that verse we were discussing, so I will address that post as well.

I will take a look as you have asked, but just so I understand what you're telling me, are you saying that the sin nature of our flesh was also crucified with Christ? That our physical bodies are no longer under the curse of sin? I just want to make sure I'm understanding your position correctly.
Thanks.

Actually Jesus shows us all different, at Matthew 7:21-23--Jesus teaches-Those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom.( be saved) And goes on to say to those who believe they were christian-- ( this is judgement scenario) He says-Get away from me you work iniquity( lawlessness) i must confess i never even knew you.
A worker of iniquity = one who practices a sin.

Christ has been spiritually Circumcising hearts from the beginning. Abel was the first True Prophet of God, thus his heart was certainly lifted of the Curse that pointed back to mom and dad.

The Sin Nature is not associated with our physical flesh, but our Spiritual Flesh. This is one of the ways that God kept His Plan hidden from the unregenerate. The simple fact that you're asking questions is amazing . . . and a great sign that your heart has, in fact, been Circumcised by Christ. Spiritual Circumcision is the dis-association of the Sin Nature from a person's "heart" so that they can see. Above, you referenced John 9:39 . . . my friend, that is one of the most important passages in the entire Bible. All physical healings are the physical representation of Spiritual Healing . . . the removal of the Curse. The removal of this Curse is what allows a person to be able to "see," and of course, Paul outlines this as he discussed the Veil of Moses. If you remember, when the Veil was up, Israel could not understand the things he, Moses, was talking about, nor could they obey. This is all pointing to the Work of Christ, but no necessarily on the cross.

Also, I'd say that it is important to understand the timing of what Paul is discussing in Colossians 2:9-15, for this is AFTER the resurrection of Christ, which one could argue, then, that a person would be a beneficiary of ALL the Works of Christ in one full "giving." They are:

1) The Circumcision of Christ (removal of the Sin Nature, which is simply the Mind of Satan versus the Mind of Christ)
2) The Granting of the Ability to Turn and Repent
3) The Gift of the Holy Spirit
4) Death on the cross paid for the debt of sin

The first three having been taking place since the beginning. As you recall, Jesus said, "Before Abraham was born, I am." Jesus referenced Abraham because Spiritual Circumcision was instituted (established) in his life, made evident by physical circumcision. Again, God has kept His Mysterious Plan of Circumcision literally behind the phallus of a man . . . the man's penis. The Old Testament often refers to the shame of a man, such as Noah's being shamed by Ham. Noah's "shame" was exposed. We, to this day, are ashamed of the word Circumcision, which is why we NEVER hear anyone talk about it in church . . . BUT WE SHOULD BE!!! Imagine two children discussing Circumcision! Most people would be shocked, but in reality, it is the Heart of the Gospel . . . it is the essence of our Faith! Man alive . . . God is incredible. To think that His Holy Circumcision and highest Covenant is inscribed on a man's penis is just incredible, for each time that we abuse that "member," we are literally abusing the representation of the Holy Covenant. And this is why it was said that any man who fails to be circumcised shall be cut off from the Covenant Family . . . or, the Family of Circumcision. That physical mark is the embodiment of our Faith in the lives of Jews, or any gentile man who has received it. It is the most Holy of all marks upon a man's body, but it is no more powerful than is water baptism . . . of which they both point back to the exact same thing . . . the Circumcision of Christ.

I encourage you to read the NLT along with your favorite translations. My two favorites are the KJV and NLT . . . reading the two has completely changed my entire life.

So, no. The literal flesh is not taken to the grave with Christ. That is impossible. This, it is the Spiritual Flesh that is Circumcised, and it is this Flesh that has been nailed to the cross and put to death forever. Like being uncircumcised . . . it isn't coming back.

The Curse seems to be at least multi-layered. The Curse of physical death will always remain, but the Curse of Spiritual Death is lifted by the Holy Work of Christ. We know this, for how else could those of the Old Testament be referred to as Righteous, Blameless, Holy and Pure? How could David sing and write about his Holy Salvation over and over and over again? So no, our hearts are relieved of this Curse, and without this Curse, the physical flesh is tamed by the Holy Spirit. We learn to overcome human temptations, but when we do sin, we have an advocate. Because the Curse has been lifted, and because of Jesus's one-time sacrifice, we can no longer fall back into the group of the "corruptible" but have been reborn of the Incorruptible. Again, if we sin after Circumcision of the Heart, we are not Spiritually Corrupt. This is the Promise given to Abraham and Sarah. This is the beauty of our remarkable Gospel! I love it so much!! I cannot tell you of how much I love God's Almighty, Holy and Powerful Plan. It staggers me to even write about it.

Lastly, I would say that I have come to this conclusion not because I have read the commentary of men. But because I have refused to read the commentary of men. I have depended upon the Spirit, and thus, my entire view of the entire Bible has come alive. I once was ignorant, even referring to myself as a "master" of certain Biblical concepts such as Eternal Security, but I was stupid. I didn't understand the very principles that I was claiming to be a master. I knew nothing about Abraham. I knew nothing about Jesus, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham, and why their relationship is as it is. I was a "Master" yet I hadn't even read the Old Testament. I was a total hypocrite living in utter debauchery, yet I was "saved." Unbelievable. I was just un-flipping-believable.

At Matthew10:22-Jesus teaches-Those who endure until their end will be saved. Endure what? Living now to do his Fathers will in this satan ruled system. See the term-will be saved. Thus i do not believe one is actually in that position yet. Which means-No mortal man has the right to tell another-you are saved.
1) He cannot read the true heart
2) he has never seen a single name written in Gods book of life
3) he has no clue who will endure until their end, he can only assume.

Is one whose heart has not be Circumcised by Christ, thus they have not been separated from the Law (all laws). This quote of Jesus points directly to Colossians 2:9-15, the Seven more important Scriptures in the entire Bible.

The life of an Alien in a strange and foreign land. Not many can, hence their Seed is eaten up, withered, died out from lack of water, etc. They did not root.

that’s an interesting take but what about this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭

I don’t think you have any basis for making tray conclusion based on what you quoted there it requires one to interpret what isn’t there. But that’s just my own view from what scriptire says

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a reason the gospel of the kingdom was sent out from Israel to the rest of the nations

The NT says-the law will be written on the heart-the new covenant= love.
If one has that love, that heart wouldnt even consider stealing from their brothers, etc all the way down the line. So the law is still there is a sense because iniquity is called lawlessness in some translations.

Can you define precisely what you mean by saying that the sin nature is not associated with the physical body (I am assuming the is what you mean by your term flesh)? If possible in Greek please. You will therefore have to define your term spiritual flesh as well.

Yes, the Laws of the Spirit of Life replace the Law of Moses, and the laws that judge Gentiles is also replaced. The Laws of the Spirit of Life are not to be confused with the Moral Law, for even Jeffrey Dahmer, Gary Ridgeway, Adolf Hitler . . . these all had the Moral Law written on their heart. They are not a guide, but a convictor of morality and ethics.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

Rom 8:2 is a keystone passage of the Bible. It's right there with John 3:16, for John 3:16 tells us of the Purpose of Christ, while Rom 8:2 tells us of the Effect of Christ.

Sorry bud, but I've got to get back to studying. If you can, remind me later?

I won't hold my breath.

Oh, well then I have no need to save your email.

Jesus words are true at Matthew 7:21-23, and he is clear. No one on earth do powerful works and the such except those who believe in Jesus and are told they are christian. But Jesus is telling them right there. if one practices a sin-He does not know them. The whole chapter at 1John 3 is about that. Its a mirror for all to peer into. It teaches who are Gods children and who the devils children are, -- It says--Its impossible for a child of God to practice even 1 sin. These sins are unacceptable
assuredly--1Corinthians 6:9-11, Galations5:19-21--Paul mentions spiritism-The Greek word = Farmacia-thus drug addiction is apart of that word. Both spots teach--Will NOT enter Gods kingdom.

“Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭51:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law of the spirit of life

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s sets us free

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then paul speaking about that

“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yeah his words are true of course

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I agree fully what’s your point ? We have to believe that or we’ll never come to it is my point we have to believe right before we’ll ever be able to live right belief is first and all that actually matters but we have to believe what Jesus taught like …..the above anyone who truly believes that will do what ?

You don't have my email. I posted a comment. But if life has been so harsh to you that you are endlessly wrecked by the casual attitude of others - then by all means do as you wish - even if you express yourself in a mistaken way when you talk about emails when you have received a public comment.

You are the one who is claiming that five years ago you and your adopted father began to study the bible and discovered that you have misunderstood the entirety of what ought to be understood when speaking about salvation. And your premise is based on a precept derived from the term the circumcision of the flesh - and arises in meaning to the removal of a curse of the Lord. That claim is now being furthered in this OP and it amounts to saying that it is the fleshy spirit that is circumcised - by which you remove from the fleshy body meaning. I could go on because I took the trouble of reading your posts before presuming to comment.

Now I have asked you to define the term fleshy body and fleshy spirit from the Greek. So you call me bud and tell me that you have to get back to studying. And that I should remind you later. Convincing stuff.

You ought to be concerned for my salvation bud because according to your doctrine I am likely to be one of the majority who are yet perishing because I haven't understood what the circumcision of the flesh (heart) means. Why don't you humble yourself and tell me - and use some Greek to ground what you believe in a manuscript meaning.

Hitler was an insane power mad murderer. He did not have the love that Jesus spoke about, nor any of the christian religions that allowed the young men to kill and murder for him, Their clergys wouldnt even stop the young men when they clearly saw what he was. That is darkness. THE clergys prayed on both sides to the same God for the quick destruction of their own supposed brothers in Christ.-hipocrosy. It took throwing Jesus away to kill their own supposed brothers in Christ who stood on the other side blowing each others heads off= not the love Jesus spoke of. Jesus would not ever condone that.