Synagogue of Satan

You keep coming back to that, but with no real evidence: the very definition of circular reasoning.

I just read what is there, the very meaning of simplicity.

When pressed I backed it up with scripture, but clearly labeled mins as a possible explanation. You throw out dogma as fact and claim another meaning. You call it scripture, but is is opinion.

But as fact it changes the written word; something I am compelled to argue against.

Wrong; circular reasoning is using the conclusion as a premise.


No, what you did was read into the text the cultural definition of "Jew".


Do you think that my definition of "Jew" as "one in right relationship with God through faith" is merely opinion? Here the Scripture that proves you wrong:

Romans 2:28-29 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

You need to provide a clear, coherent explanation as to why Jesus would not be using this definition of "Jew" when dictating to John.


Um, no, it doesn't.

Well, actually we all know that it can. Utterly.

Sorry, I don't know to what you are referring.

We can so easily change vital understanding of the written word. And in practice that changes the "word. " because our understanding becomes the word for us. We have no other tool in the end.

What do you think the "synagogue of Satan" is in Rev. 2 and 3? To me it's pretty clear these are professing Jews who reject Christ in favor of the unsaving Law.

Thoughts?

It is sad to see such antiSemitism on full display here. But I suppose to excise it we must expose it, so go ahead and get it out of your systems. I will say this to any Jews reading here though: my dad was an old school Southern Baptist minister; a country preacher who always worked to support his family because his churches could not pay a full salary (sometimes none at all). But it was on those old, hard pews listening to him preach that I learned of who God's people are. The Jews. I also learned that God's promises and callings are forever. We did not replace anyone or anything, and God did not revoke anything. Not to say I agree with contemporary Judaism, which is nothing like anything in the 1st cen. But I do respect it, and those who practice it. And I will ALWAYS take a stand against hatred of God's people.

I think that term antisemite is as useless and baseless as calling someone racist just to shut down all thought concerning the topic.

Wrong; circular reasoning is using the conclusion as a premise.

No, what you did was read into the text the cultural definition of "Jew".

Do you think that my definition of "Jew" as "one in right relationship with God through faith" is merely opinion? Here the Scripture that proves you wrong:

Romans 2:28-29 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

You need to provide a clear, coherent explanation as to why Jesus would not be using this definition of "Jew" when dictating to John.

What do you think the "synagogue of Satan" is in Rev. 2 and 3? To me it's pretty clear these are professing Jews who reject Christ in favor of the unsaving Law.

Thoughts?

Agreed; people develop blinders and, I suspect, are functionally incapable of seeing what Scripture actually says. We are all susceptible to it. The blinders result from poor teaching, poor study habits, deception from outside, and from resistance to truth within.

Boy, leave for an hour or so and the forum runs away.



Your foregone conclusion is I cannot be right about the verse saying what it does which you use as your premise ...



and around we go.



No, what I believe is your dogmatic idea that only your conclusion can be right changes scripture. Were you to state it as a possible explanation I would have no problem, as I said earlier. But since you like the circle and argue against anything outside your narrow interpretation, bere we are again.

And yet you cling to the idea that only you can be right.

I think that term antisemite is as useless and baseless as calling someone racist just to shut down all thought concerning the topic. There should be a term for people who do this. Aside from irrational. But irrational pretty much sums it up.

I have a sound scriptural basis for my view. Your view contradicts Scripture. We can repeat our positions till the Lord comes back, and those two statements will still be true. ... Incorrect; I cling to the certainty that my position is consistent with Scripture. I don't care about "right".

This is not a condemnation of all Jews, but only the secret Satanist cabal of Jews belonging to the Synagogue of Satan. In the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, we see that they wish to crown the Antichrist as "our sovereign Lord of all the world" (capitalization in original translation from Russian): “WHEN THE HOUR STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO.”

The Antichrist will be a renegade Jew who will claim to be the true Messiah -- both Christ and God. He will sit in the future temple in Jerusalem, set up the Abomination of Desolation, and demand that the whole world take the Mark of the Beast. Orthodox Jews are still waiting for their "Messiah" (since they have rejected Christ), so they will be fooled by this Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition.

It is a condemnation of all Jews. That's how it was meant when it was written, and how it has been used since, to murderous effect! And according to the Bible, the Antichrist will likely be Assyrian:

Micah 5:2-5, 12, 24
2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah,
who are too little to be among the clans of Judah,
from you shall come forth for me
one who is to be ruler in Israel,
whose coming forth is from of old,
from ancient days.
3 Therefore he shall give them up until the time
when she who is in labor has given birth;
then the rest of his brothers shall return
to the people of Israel.
4 And he shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord,
in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.
And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great
to the ends of the earth.
5 And he shall be their peace.
When the Assyrian comes into our land
and treads in our palaces,
then we will raise against him seven shepherds
and eight princes of men;Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation.
12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.
24 Therefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the ASSYRIAN: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.

Isaiah talked about it:
Isaiah 30:30-31 30 And the Lord shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones. 31 For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod.

There are other proofs, and a lot of Bible scholars such as Chuck Missler have come to this conclusion. I'd trust Missler much more than the Protocols.

When you say "Orthodox Jews," that actually refers to a specific sect with several branches. And yes, they and other Jews have rejected Jesus. However there is a real awakening in Israel right now, and many have come to Christ. And if you think about it, all the world except the Jews are Gentiles, and by far most are not believers. As a percentage I suspect more Jews are saved than Gentiles, though the numbers are probably very low. So instead of stirring up hatred with the Protocols, maybe we should focus more on witnessing to everyone.

As to the conspiracy to end us (and yes, I believe there is one), it will succeed at the appointed time. I firmly believe the only thing that will save the US and subsequently the world is a huge revival across this land:

2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

The Protocols will not heal. They only ever have served to incite murder.

And around we go. How many times do I have to answer that? Let's see, a scriptural basis ... :

Proverbs 26:4 ESV 4 Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself.

You are like a broken record. Come up with something different or we're done.