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Blik

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So is the sun the light giver or can Jesus also be the light giver?
Yes, if it was "or" in the Hebrew sense that God gave the earth before he gave the sun. We need not made a federal case of it, it is straight forward information.

God wants us to know about what he tells us about time, but this post is making federal case about something so basic and simple. If we pay attention to the special times of the day that God set aside for being close to us like 6, 9, noon, 3, and 6 like Daniel did, it can enhance our life like Christ wanted for us.

You have no need to absorb all a public library has to offer, you need only to accept Christ within you and live with Christ,.
 

JohnDB

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Isn't that what they say in some ocultic circles, order out of chaos?
Occultic circles don't say that God created order out of chaos. They say that organically order comes from chaos by nature...
But I have yet seen a tornado hit a Lowe's or Home Depot and spit out complete houses...


So... occultic circles create chaos to end up with order...which is nuts stuff.
 

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“What do you mean the light created the first day?”

“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1, 3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“did light come out within the darkness?”

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there was darkness until God spoke

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods word literally creates whatever he speaks. All he has ever spoken will come to pass just like it always has

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how he creates he speaks things into creation

“And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when you add a man who believes and acts on what he said it’s the same

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭10:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith is to know of God says anything it is absolute. Even when regarding transgression like this

“But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they did what he said would cause death and so on Gods time remember a day is as a thousand years.

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And so just as God warned Adam

“And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Satan surprisingly knows whatever God said will be that’s why he wanted them to eat the fruit he knew it would bring death Gods word is always true.

so when you see Christ

“And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:43-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s the same because he is the light the Lord God the creator whatever Jesus says is forever and always true will always come to pass both good and bad.

faith is when we learn the power and superiority and infallible nature of what God said it creates those who believe in his image

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He created all the natural things forst and now he’s redeeming the spiritual things inside of man. The same God who speaks the same word that’s always true and infallible had said this to us

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

it’s the same principle as when he said let there be light and light began to shine from darkness ehatever Jesus had to say to mankind is always the same it is faith pure faith inviting us to hear , believe and be saved.

“and Is the light in verse three referring to Jesus like how Eve came out of Adam?”

Eve came from Adam but God created Eve also he took of Adam and created Adam a partner. The rest of mankind were born , not created adam
And Eve through procreation is where man comes from out of them which God created.

and yes Jesus is the original light he is God when he spoke his word the light began to shine creations light created all things God created all things in Christ Jesus who was lot manifest to us until the gospel but always was God the light and creator
Eve was the only one created in the garden, I wonder if that means anything?
 
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Occultic circles don't say that God created order out of chaos. They say that organically order comes from chaos by nature...
But I have yet seen a tornado hit a Lowe's or Home Depot and spit out complete houses...


So... occultic circles create chaos to end up with order...which is nuts stuff.
Exactly. ORDO AB CHAO is intentionally manmade chaos/the Hegelian dialectic.
 
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Eve was the only one created in the garden, I wonder if that means anything?
Well, speaking as a man, while Man might be the pinnacle of God's physical creation... Woman is definitely the most beautiful physical creation. Fitting for her to be created in a garden.
 
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libraries are the best. I have more than 700 books lol and want more but don't have the space :( If I could save anything during the end times lol I would pick my books :LOL:
Right now I have an apartment worth of stuff in a room worth of space. It's... livable but not great. 90% of my books are in about ten large boxes in the closet... :(

Sooooo happy to be moving soon! :D
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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Yes, if it was "or" in the Hebrew sense that God gave the earth before he gave the sun. We need not made a federal case of it, it is straight forward information.

God wants us to know about what he tells us about time, but this post is making federal case about something so basic and simple. If we pay attention to the special times of the day that God set aside for being close to us like 6, 9, noon, 3, and 6 like Daniel did, it can enhance our life like Christ wanted for us.

You have no need to absorb all a public library has to offer, you need only to accept Christ within you and live with Christ,.
Welp, I didn't know I was in court. This thread was started because it was derailing another one and it wasn't necessarily about time but rather the Sabbath, hence the morning evening morning topic. But yes the Bible clearly gives emphasis to time and I wonder if the 6, 9, noon, 3 and 6 should be followed by when the day actually begins which is at dawn and not by the time you set on your alarm clock.

I have Christ and still enjoy books very much :love:
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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#68
Occultic circles don't say that God created order out of chaos. They say that organically order comes from chaos by nature...
But I have yet seen a tornado hit a Lowe's or Home Depot and spit out complete houses...


So... occultic circles create chaos to end up with order...which is nuts stuff.
LOL spit out complete houses :LOL: but jokes aside, yes they create the chaos then offer a solution that benefits them.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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I sure am also my friend it has consumed all Of my hope and dreams to stand in the glory of my savior who loves me I cannot hardly wait to see his glory shining from the throne and to live beyond the veil of death we look to now in this world

what a glory it will Be and o how the voices of angels and elders and the heavenly must sound echoing off the walls of the kingdom I’m assuming we’ve never heard such Beauty nor imagined such glory that waits for us ahead

all due and all thanks to him who loved us enough even when we weren’t lovable he loved us at our worst and continues loving us to the best we can be !!!

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Live beyond the veil of death.. the veil was rent :D
 

Rondonmon

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Yea I suppose it should be a separate thread :cautious:
That is because there was 400 million Years of Darkness before the firsts Stars were ever formed. YOWM (Day, Month, Year, Season, TIME PERIOD in General) means TO BE HOT.

Our time is derived from our planetary solar system. The Stars brought this into being.

The Darkness was first, of course.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Spoke it into being, but it has an ORDERLY PROCESS that lasts 13.7 billion years, the Universe starts forming, then 9.2 Billion years later the Sun & Earth pops up from that first command or order by God)

2 And the earth was without form, and void(NOT HERE YET but coming later, thus NO FORM/Void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep.(SEE BELOW) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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As the above Microwave Picture shows, there was 400 Million Years of Darkness before the first Stars ever started forming thus in Gen. 1:2 when God says there was DARKNESS on the Face of the Deep, He knew (of course) exactly what was going in in His current creation which was ONGOING !!

Then Gid MOVED on the Face of the waters FIRST..........THEN said Let there be Light !! But why? Because Light must be reflected in order to illuminate things, look just outside our Atmosphere/Bio Dome, when our space ships leave our Atmosphere things suddenly get darker, and that is because God used WATER trapped in our Atmosphere to reflect the light much better and grander, light travels in a straight beam, unless it is reflected by something, thus God MOVED on the ace of the Waters (gave us a bio dome/atmosphere that traps in moisture) and thus when the Sun Light enters it illuminates our Earth !! BOOM. God is telling these so called Scientists what He did but they are so smart they can't even see it, LOL.
 

VineyardsOfEngedi

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That is because there was 400 million Years of Darkness before the firsts Stars were ever formed. YOWM (Day, Month, Year, Season, TIME PERIOD in General) means TO BE HOT.

Our time is derived from our planetary solar system. The Stars brought this into being.

The Darkness was first, of course.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Spoke it into being, but it has an ORDERLY PROCESS that lasts 13.7 billion years, the Universe starts forming, then 9.2 Billion years later the Sun & Earth pops up from that first command or order by God)

2 And the earth was without form, and void(NOT HERE YET but coming later, thus NO FORM/Void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep.(SEE BELOW) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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As the above Microwave Picture shows, there was 400 Million Years of Darkness before the first Stars ever started forming thus in Gen. 1:2 when God says there was DARKNESS on the Face of the Deep, He knew (of course) exactly what was going in in His current creation which was ONGOING !!

Then Gid MOVED on the Face of the waters FIRST..........THEN said Let there be Light !! But why? Because Light must be reflected in order to illuminate things, look just outside our Atmosphere/Bio Dome, when our space ships leave our Atmosphere things suddenly get darker, and that is because God used WATER trapped in our Atmosphere to reflect the light much better and grander, light travels in a straight beam, unless it is reflected by something, thus God MOVED on the ace of the Waters (gave us a bio dome/atmosphere that traps in moisture) and thus when the Sun Light enters it illuminates our Earth !! BOOM. God is telling these so called Scientists what He did but they are so smart they can't even see it, LOL.
Orderly process that last 13.7 billion years ... Wow
 
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That is because there was 400 million Years of Darkness before the firsts Stars were ever formed. YOWM (Day, Month, Year, Season, TIME PERIOD in General) means TO BE HOT.

Our time is derived from our planetary solar system. The Stars brought this into being.

The Darkness was first, of course.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Spoke it into being, but it has an ORDERLY PROCESS that lasts 13.7 billion years, the Universe starts forming, then 9.2 Billion years later the Sun & Earth pops up from that first command or order by God)

2 And the earth was without form, and void(NOT HERE YET but coming later, thus NO FORM/Void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep.(SEE BELOW) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

View attachment 234800

As the above Microwave Picture shows, there was 400 Million Years of Darkness before the first Stars ever started forming thus in Gen. 1:2 when God says there was DARKNESS on the Face of the Deep, He knew (of course) exactly what was going in in His current creation which was ONGOING !!

Then Gid MOVED on the Face of the waters FIRST..........THEN said Let there be Light !! But why? Because Light must be reflected in order to illuminate things, look just outside our Atmosphere/Bio Dome, when our space ships leave our Atmosphere things suddenly get darker, and that is because God used WATER trapped in our Atmosphere to reflect the light much better and grander, light travels in a straight beam, unless it is reflected by something, thus God MOVED on the ace of the Waters (gave us a bio dome/atmosphere that traps in moisture) and thus when the Sun Light enters it illuminates our Earth !! BOOM. God is telling these so called Scientists what He did but they are so smart they can't even see it, LOL.
That is because there was 400 million Years of Darkness before the firsts Stars were ever formed. YOWM (Day, Month, Year, Season, TIME PERIOD in General) means TO BE HOT.

Our time is derived from our planetary solar system. The Stars brought this into being.

The Darkness was first, of course.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Spoke it into being, but it has an ORDERLY PROCESS that lasts 13.7 billion years, the Universe starts forming, then 9.2 Billion years later the Sun & Earth pops up from that first command or order by God)

2 And the earth was without form, and void(NOT HERE YET but coming later, thus NO FORM/Void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep.(SEE BELOW) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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As the above Microwave Picture shows, there was 400 Million Years of Darkness before the first Stars ever started forming thus in Gen. 1:2 when God says there was DARKNESS on the Face of the Deep, He knew (of course) exactly what was going in in His current creation which was ONGOING !!

Then Gid MOVED on the Face of the waters FIRST..........THEN said Let there be Light !! But why? Because Light must be reflected in order to illuminate things, look just outside our Atmosphere/Bio Dome, when our space ships leave our Atmosphere things suddenly get darker, and that is because God used WATER trapped in our Atmosphere to reflect the light much better and grander, light travels in a straight beam, unless it is reflected by something, thus God MOVED on the ace of the Waters (gave us a bio dome/atmosphere that traps in moisture) and thus when the Sun Light enters it illuminates our Earth !! BOOM. God is telling these so called Scientists what He did but they are so smart they can't even see it, LOL.
If stars formed naturally from coalescing gas clouds, then why do we always see gases expanding to fill their containers in actual observation?
 

Blik

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Welp, I didn't know I was in court. This thread was started because it was derailing another one and it wasn't necessarily about time but rather the Sabbath, hence the morning evening morning topic. But yes the Bible clearly gives emphasis to time and I wonder if the 6, 9, noon, 3 and 6 should be followed by when the day actually begins which is at dawn and not by the time you set on your alarm clock.

I have Christ and still enjoy books very much :love:
This reply to my post makes me wonder if posts are read as what others think or only read to see how how they can be criticized. My post saying people are making a federal case brings the though that I am accusing him of being in court, whatever that means. And that we don't need all the books in a library brings the thought to this poster that he enjoys books. Whatever could make not needing an entire library have to do with enjoying or not enjoying books?
 

JohnDB

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That is because there was 400 million Years of Darkness before the firsts Stars were ever formed. YOWM (Day, Month, Year, Season, TIME PERIOD in General) means TO BE HOT.

Our time is derived from our planetary solar system. The Stars brought this into being.

The Darkness was first, of course.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Spoke it into being, but it has an ORDERLY PROCESS that lasts 13.7 billion years, the Universe starts forming, then 9.2 Billion years later the Sun & Earth pops up from that first command or order by God)

2 And the earth was without form, and void(NOT HERE YET but coming later, thus NO FORM/Void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep.(SEE BELOW) And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

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As the above Microwave Picture shows, there was 400 Million Years of Darkness before the first Stars ever started forming thus in Gen. 1:2 when God says there was DARKNESS on the Face of the Deep, He knew (of course) exactly what was going in in His current creation which was ONGOING !!

Then Gid MOVED on the Face of the waters FIRST..........THEN said Let there be Light !! But why? Because Light must be reflected in order to illuminate things, look just outside our Atmosphere/Bio Dome, when our space ships leave our Atmosphere things suddenly get darker, and that is because God used WATER trapped in our Atmosphere to reflect the light much better and grander, light travels in a straight beam, unless it is reflected by something, thus God MOVED on the ace of the Waters (gave us a bio dome/atmosphere that traps in moisture) and thus when the Sun Light enters it illuminates our Earth !! BOOM. God is telling these so called Scientists what He did but they are so smart they can't even see it, LOL.
That whole "moved/hovered" thingy...
That's one of those translations that I disagree with. I understand why they say that this is the best translation but it's missing the nuance that is supposed to be there to be really understood in context.

The best way I can explain it is that "water" is always a type or symbol for laws or rules.
These "rules" can be something as loose as traditions or common practices to codified laws.

And basically this section is also referring to tehovm....the deep, the abyss, or the depths of the sea. Where there is no light and total chaos.

So...
This "moving, hovering, or shaking/trembling" OF/over the tehovm is God exercising control and specifically choosing the laws of nature that are going to rule over the universe.
Its Hebrew...it doesn't always make sense in our Westernized civilization and the metaphoric language doesn't always translate the best.

But think in term of God is over the natural laws....
A bit wonky but understandable...

And I don't care if you don't like it...this world may not work the way you want but it's still the world we live in.
 

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Orderly process that last 13.7 billion years ... Wow
Correct, the Universe was ordered to come into being 13.7 billion years ago, then 6000 or so years ago on the 6th Day (YOWM/tie period, or from roughly 300-350 million years ago unto 6000 years ago) God created Man in His own image, that simply means God placed His Spirit into mankind at that time. There may indeed have been animal like men running around for 100,000 years or so, but these so called intelligent Scientists have ZERO way of understanding when God placed His Spirit into man, that impartation is when Human Beings were created, 6000 or so years ago.
 

JohnDB

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Correct, the Universe was ordered to come into being 13.7 billion years ago, then 6000 or so years ago on the 6th Day (YOWM/tie period, or from roughly 300-350 million years ago unto 6000 years ago) God created Man in His own image, that simply means God placed His Spirit into mankind at that time. There may indeed have been animal like men running around for 100,000 years or so, but these so called intelligent Scientists have ZERO way of understanding when God placed His Spirit into man, that impartation is when Human Beings were created, 6000 or so years ago.
Well...
That's what some scientists think...
And they can be very wrong too. (About age of mankind and this planet). And when pressed...a good scientist will admit that this is a guess based on certain things...they really don't know for certain.
 
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Correct, the Universe was ordered to come into being 13.7 billion years ago, then 6000 or so years ago on the 6th Day (YOWM/tie period, or from roughly 300-350 million years ago unto 6000 years ago) God created Man in His own image, that simply means God placed His Spirit into mankind at that time. There may indeed have been animal like men running around for 100,000 years or so, but these so called intelligent Scientists have ZERO way of understanding when God placed His Spirit into man, that impartation is when Human Beings were created, 6000 or so years ago.
So there was a long history of death before Man was formed into the image of God?

So God lied when He said death was the result of human sin?