Paul and Moses, whats wrong?

And some Christians insist on rebelling against law so they can have grace.

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

if we’re convinced that certain foods are unclean it’s nearest a weakness in our faith and means we have to live as of that food is unclean so we don’t violate our faith

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1-12, 14, 19, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

InChrist what matters is what we believe if we believe a food is not clean and we then eat it anyways it’s going to defile our belief oir faith and make us guilty.

if we’ve heard Christ who took away those things were going to understand the kingdom isn’t about food and drink food isn’t unclean and can’t make us unclean but if we are stuck under Moses we’re going to believe his words about certain foods , certain days and if we don’t follow those things we believe we’re sinning against faith

we have to follow our own faith and leave room for others to do the same when it comes to trivial matters like food , sabbath days , festivals and feasts ect

“For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have to leave room for people to not be at the same place we are in faith and not insist they do what we do when it comes to trivial matters like foods and drinks and days and seasons

For one, this passage is not talking about the Mosaic Law. (Notice the word "THEY.") It is talking about manmade restrictions promoted by false teachers such as the Gnostics, which rightly can be said to have a demonic origin. But whether you are talking about manmade laws, rabbinical law, or even the God-given Mosaic Law, the bottom line is that legalism is a sin of the worst kind, because it denies the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice and exalts yourself as the master of your own salvation.

1 Timothy 4:1-5
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.
For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

I believe that part of all creation is the creation of how what he created best operate, God is eternal, and you are asking a question relating to our kind of time. God's time is not as our time. God is the "I am".

People do not say the old covenant was given by a holy, perfect God. I have even been told God made a mistake when he created it and corrected his mistake. God makes no mistakes, that covenant was so improved it became obsolete.

Christ brought in the new covenant, not Paul. Under Moses we are told how to reflect God in our lives via earthly commands. by the letter of the law. It was given in stone. Christ changed that, but Christ did not wipe out the law as Moses gave it, Christ fulfilled it. Christ put the law in our hearts, not in a set of rules written on stone. That is the new covenant.

Under the old covenant, to be circumcised was to mark it physically on the skin, under the new covenant was to mark it in our hearts and minds. Under the old covenant not to murder was not to kill someone, under the new covenant not to murder was not to harm anyone in any way.

Christians still celebrate the feasts under the new covenant because God told us to celebrate and praise his pran of salvation for us. When that celebration is to be done in our hearts, we still feast and celebrate Christ.

Yes indeed. We do not need to go round and round the same things over and over again. "Paul and Moses, what's wrong?" Nothing. Moses had his place and Paul had his. Paul was probably the most conscientious Pharisee who ever lived. And that is why he was chosen to explain what the New Covenant means under Christ. The New Covenant went into effective on the 14th of Nisan, AD 30. And that is exactly why the Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the day of Pentecost.

What seems to be totally forgotten by everyone is that without the temple (formerly the tabernacle) the Law of Moses could not be obeyed perfectly. So when God tore the temple veil in two from top to bottom on the day Christ died, He effectively said "The Law is finished". And that is what was included in the words of Christ: IT IS FINISHED.

So, when did God give the law "do not murder" to the Son? Before the creation or after it began?

See post 24.

yep he actually explained just that people who think the law is still over then point to this

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭

but then reject Christ explaining that after his death and resurrection fulfilled it

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them,

Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they won’t allow Christ to explain what he was saying instead they read it “ until heaven and earth disappears the law Will not change “

they aren’t seeing the “ till all of fulfilled part and allowing Christ to explain “ this is what I meant all thkngs in the law and prophets concerning me ( the messiah ) we’re fulfilled

like your saying there it has been the final part was Christ bekng raised up to David’s throne at the right hand of God and sending the Holy Ghost on the day of pentocost

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:30-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now we are waiting for the things Jesus and the apostles foretold pertaining to Christs return and the fulfillment of the new covenant , the law is fulfilled but the gospel is forever.

“For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Could you explain this further? I'd like to learn this concept.

Is there anywhere in the Bible where the 10 commandments written by God are treated as "separate" from law of Moses?

I think this passage is talking about the Mosaic law among other laws.

The dietary laws were given to teach people that they must not "eat" garbage, and a physical law was given to illustrate that. We are told our daily bread is bread for our spirit, as food in the stomach simply passes through.

In the old testament, laws were given in stone, by the letter of the law. That is the old covenant, and the new covenant puts those same laws in our hearts, to be obeyed through the spirit of the law not the letter of the law. If you insist on still living under the old covenant Paul asks what you think Christ does for you. We are to obey Christ. Christ fulfilled and made clear and complete the law in stone.

Keep this at the forefront of your mind = Peter did not get it wrong in His Epistles and neither did Paul or John or James or Jude.

The Holy Spirit had directed them as they wrote down what we, the Body of Christ, needed for then and now.

The ten were given before the Building of the Ark of the covenant, or the office of the LEVITICAN PRIEST of the line of Arron.


the context of the ten was the foundational Law to God and man.

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Aaron was the original Levite preist under the levites people received the law and infact Levi was in abrams loins beforehand when he paid tithes to melchezidek

“And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Can you rephrase it?

I believe what Paul against is if we do it in hypocritical liar, not God law itself

This is easily explainable if one understands spiritual circumcision for the NT believer. Our souls are no longer attached to our bodies, therefore, what we eat or what we touch has no bearing on our spiritual life.

after man started murdering

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I've never met a born again believer who loves to sin. Christians have a new nature and a conscience activated by the Holy Spirit. They may not be able to deal with sin, because they lack knowledge. Paul was responding to an accusation directed at him, that he was teaching that sin is acceptable.

Seems fairly simple, doesn't it?