Cessationism and Continuationism
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You really have no clue!
I've posted a literal 4 entire page list from the Apostles till now where people have been documenting Spiritual Gifts in Actions in another thread here.
I understand you choose to disagree with Speaking in Tongues and that is you right to do so, but it doesn't make you correct. And that List is accurate.
I will take the words of John Wesley in the 1700's, WHO DID NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES, but Documented when he preached, the Holy Spirit was evident as those who heard him were Speaking in Tongues. And that list comprises of many men the Modern Day Church claims to be examples of what Church Leaders should be like.
I trust their Documentations over your flimsy excuses any day!
I've posted a literal 4 entire page list from the Apostles till now where people have been documenting Spiritual Gifts in Actions in another thread here.
I understand you choose to disagree with Speaking in Tongues and that is you right to do so, but it doesn't make you correct. And that List is accurate.
I will take the words of John Wesley in the 1700's, WHO DID NOT SPEAK IN TONGUES, but Documented when he preached, the Holy Spirit was evident as those who heard him were Speaking in Tongues. And that list comprises of many men the Modern Day Church claims to be examples of what Church Leaders should be like.
I trust their Documentations over your flimsy excuses any day!
I respect your right to your view, but speaking in tongues is a doctrine of demons in my opinion. Many doctrines are demonic if they lead one away from the truth.
We're not called to euphoria but sobriety. People who think the Holy Spirit is giving them a euphoric high are serving a false spirit.
We're not called to euphoria but sobriety. People who think the Holy Spirit is giving them a euphoric high are serving a false spirit.
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You won't see any parallelism because you think MacArthur is telling the truth. And you already know it's been posted on YOUR thread about him and the MOB and still going to Heaven.
You want to have a Discussion, then STOP talking in CIRCLES! A person who talks in Circles is a LIAR! I don't have time for LIARS!
You want to have a Discussion, then STOP talking in CIRCLES! A person who talks in Circles is a LIAR! I don't have time for LIARS!
JM answered someone in the audience who asked him a hypothetical question , and JM gave him a hypothetical answer...
Someone chopped the whole video , and posted it to look like JM said you can take the mark...
If you go to grace to you website , you will see the explanation of what happened...
Hope this helps...
...xox...
Someone chopped the whole video , and posted it to look like JM said you can take the mark...
If you go to grace to you website , you will see the explanation of what happened...
Hope this helps...
...xox...
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I showed you the miracle that just happened to me that literally hundreds have witnessed including Police/Fire/News Paper Reporters/Etc I Speak in Tongues.
When was the last time you had a Miracle that many people witnessed and can now be a Testimony for God?
If you have not, maybe Demons are surrounding Your Doctrine is WHY!!
When was the last time you had a Miracle that many people witnessed and can now be a Testimony for God?
If you have not, maybe Demons are surrounding Your Doctrine is WHY!!
If I was against Speaking in Tongues, the last thing I would want to see, is the WORKINGS of GOD that is so Miraculous helping a Tongue Speaker, that those [against] Speaking in Tongues, don't have such a Testimony of God working in their own lives to such a degree that HUNDREDS of people witnessed and can VERIFY!
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Reading on this subject more deeply since it's suddenly the most popular issue here, here a few points to think about regarding cessationism.
Point One - The New Testament also employs the term apostle(s) to refer to several people aside from the Twelve and Paul. For a few examples, these include Apollos (1 Corinthians 4:6-13), James (Galatians 1:19), Barnabas (Acts 14:14); Titus (2 Corinthians 8:23), and more.
None of these people were authors of Scripture. " These were people who lived and served the church during those foundational years and were called and gifted by the Holy Spirit as apostles, even though they never operated as God’s agents in receiving and delivering inspired scripture to the church. This means that, though they were certainly important and strategic leaders in their own right, they were not foundational in the same way that the Twelve and Paul were foundational to the establishment of the church, and formulation of the biblical canon. This would seem to at least imply the possibility that such apostles could exist today without threatening the closed canon of the Bible, or leading to Roman Catholic conclusions about Apostolic Succession."
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"Scripture does not limit God’s intentions for miracles, healings, and the like to authenticating Messianic or apostolic ministry, and neither should people today.
Far more people than Jesus and the apostles experienced miraculous manifestations of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament (Acts 6:8; 8:6). Paul’s instructions to the Corinthians declare that the charismata are the potential experience of all individual believers in the church (1 Corinthians 12:4-11). In his speech at Pentecost, Peter reaches back to Joel 2:28-32 to provide a biblical framework for understanding the manifestation of the gift of tongues the people were hearing at that pivotal moment in church history: “God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy” (Acts 2:17a-18). "
So this was to all, not just a special few to men AND women. I will pour out my spirit on ALL, even servants.
Point 3- "The argument for cessationism from a closed canon has weaknesses. For one, there is no evidence that tongues or prophecy were the mediums through which God moved the biblical authors to formulate inspired Scripture. On the contrary, Paul plainly and bluntly describes tongues as praying (1 Corinthians 14:14), singing (14:15b), and giving thanks (14:16) in the spirit to God (2a), for the believer’s personal edification (4a), by means of a language previously unknown to the speaker (14:10-14). New Testament Prophecy is speaking a spontaneous (14:30), biblically-consistent message (14:29b), which brings edification, exhortation, or comfort to the hearer (14:3). These are not gifts reserved for the spiritual elite or uniquely called, but the potential experience of all believers (14:1), young or old, male or female (Joel 2:28-32; 1 Corinthians 11:5), leader or non-leader (1 Corinthians 14:31). If these revelatory gifts were experienced by all believers (not just the apostles and authors of Scripture), during the first century of the church, and were therefore clearly not the mechanism through which inspired Scripture was granted, then there is no reason to believe that their usefulness would pass from the scene when the canon was completed."
Point 4- Regarding 1 Corinthians 13:8-9, it is more likely that the perfect Paul had in mind is the state of glorification believers will experience in the next age.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
Point 5 - "God commands the church to actively avoid quenching manifestations of the Spirit. (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 Corinthians 14:39-40) Nothing could be more quenching to the Spirit and His desire to grant the charismata in our midst than teaching people that these manifestations of the Spirit are not available to the church today and that they should not be sought or tolerated by believers in our personal lives and congregational gatherings. "
1 Thessalonians 5:19-22 19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil.
1 Corinthians 14:39-40 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
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And there is the utter arrogance of that side of the argument. That down through the years, every person who has spoken in tongues has done it through demonic power. I certainly hope I missed something in post and that you are not claiming this. I will await an answer so as not to be accused of putting words in your mouth.