TONGUES is a precious gift from God

This is an opinion statement. I get it, we all make them. But I'm just pointing it out, this is your opinion and hardly a fair one.



Another unfair comment. You don't know what people do behind closed doors. You can't make that kind of a judgement call. smh You have no idea what lives are being lived when people leave church and are in the privacy of their own homes.



It isn't the only reason. An honest reader would acknowledge that.


Not if it's done according to the order that was set in the NT. Not if it's not misused.



That's not what the verse says.




Correct, test the spirit, but if you're so immature as a Christian that you don't know the difference between something done by demons, or done by God, you've got you a bigger problem!
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When a poster spins or refuses to be clear when asked I leave them alone. They have a pattern and that's how they will always answer. Some people think they are the Riddler, it gets old fast.

Amen!

Aye sister, you gave it a good try. Many of us appreciate your heart and attitude. Blessings.

Any miracle done in the Bible can be looked at "in depth", what do you think the result will be from science?! According to science a miracle is a myth, a miracle during Christ's lifetime, a miracle done today. It's all fake and Christ was a charlatan. Now you want these same people to take an "in depth" look at tongues. And if we disagree it's because we're doing it thru satanic power. smh

Paul said not to forbid speaking in tongues. Never did he give a date in time when tongues MUST cease. There is no where in the NT where it's said, after this, tongues are demonic. NO! That is a man made doctrine, period. Tongues isn't even the subject of those verses, love is. When the perfect has come. Pull your head out of the dirt and look around, do you think the "perfect" has come? No it hasn't. A blind man can see that.

Already been done and discussed. Let me ask you, if you weren't using tongues for money or attention, why would you put yourself on Youtube? I die laughing every time someone uses Youtube and tongues. smh Give me a break.

Yes – true, despite that 1 Cor. 14:2 does not evidence modern tongues-speech; it’s just real, rational language(s) – understood by the speaker, but not the audience.

That’s always been my argument as well (again, despite that “tongues of angels” is 100% hyperbole).

Yes - a practice certainly not unique to Christianity.

The primary purpose of tongues is designed for the individual believer in his/her private prayer life. It also edifies the believers when in a group meeting and the person speaking also interprets.



1. To speak the wonderful works of God

Acts 2:11
Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

2. To magnify God

Acts10:46
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.


3. To give thanks well

I Corinthians 14:17
For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.


4. To bring a message from God {when interpreted}

I Corinthians 14:5 & 27.

5) except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

27) If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let that one interpret.



5. Sign to the unbelievers

I Corinthians 14:22, Mark 16:17;

I Corinthians
22) Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Mark
17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


6. To edify you, build you up.
I Corinthians 14:4, Jude 20

I Cor 14:4
He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Jude 20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost.


7. To speak to God mysteries {divine secrets}

I Corinthians 14:2
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


8. Makes intercession for us
Romans 8:26&7 Ephesians 6:18

Romans
26: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God

Ephesians 6:18
18. Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;


9. Your proof in the senses world that you are born again.

I Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


10. To have the spirit bear witness with our spirit – Similar to #9

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


11. To know you are a joint-heir with Christ.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.


12. To strengthen you with might in the inner man

Ephesians 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

I'm not speaking about miracles, but rather something very tangible and concrete. There's a huge difference here.

Yes, Paul would rather people pray to God in their native language than not at all; even though no one else listening to the speaker may understand his language.

I don't believe I ever stated that tongues were demonic - modern tongues-speech is non-cognitive non-language utterance; it's a completely self created phenomenon; thus, it is no more demonic than it is divine in origin.

I am neither a so-called ‘cessationist’ nor a ‘continuationist’ – I do not identify with either term; in fact, I had never heard the two terms until just late in 2016. As far as I’m concerned, quite frankly, since the Biblical reference of “tongues” is to real, rational languages, obviously “tongues” haven’t “ceased”; as far as I’ve been able to ascertain, people still speak.

Yeah, youtube probably isn't the best place to go. You will have to wade through hundreds of vids.

But many churches are amateurly recording (sometimes it's just a sound recording) their services nowadays. So, there are a few rare examples online.

You can tell they are not doing it to get money or attention. You can actually still feel the Spirit in it even though it is just a recording.

This is a big help for people who can't get out to church for illnesses, or whatever reason.

This is something I don't feel led to do at this time due to the previous reasoning I gave.

Not just because of cessationalists, but also some of the so-called believers in it.

I can tell you this, I've never heard anything that even sounds close to what Browne and Kopeland where doing. When it is the genuine you can hear and feel the Spirit of God in it. I'm not sure about unbelievers though. I think prophecy is better in that case.

Yeah, these threads get way out of hand.

Here's what many don't like to hear though:

It's not just the cessasionalist. They don't believe and we know that, so we should be trying to explain and show them the difference if at all possible.

The ones I take issue the most with are the ones who are willing to agree with any old thing. Lending any credence to the fake.

Speaking in tongues and prophecy are still in existence and gifts for the church today. God didn't give these gifts of Spirit to build up the churches of old and then just take them back.

There is power in the Gifts of the Spirit. And yeah, the devil doesn't like the true genuine gifts of the Spirit. In fact, he is afraid of it. He will flee from it.

However, the enemy LOVES the fakes.

So, we all better check our own selves. Better live it the Bible way, walk in the Spirit, and submit only to the Spirit of God.

It is a gift of the Spirit, and it comes from God. You can't work yourself into a trance, learn it from someone else, or teach it to others. Any that believe you can, better take heed unless they walk off with an unfamiliar spirit and that spirit might well bear with them.

I've never said tongues aren't still in existence today. All I've said is I don't buy the idea that what's there is genuine. By genuine I mean a true gift of the Spirit.

I see a lot of well-meaning people who are following in the footsteps of people like Charles Fox Parham and William J. Seymour without so much as questioning who they were, what they were about and whether or not they should be trusted. This is where your modern tongues movement originated, you should look into it. I mean really look into it.

And this is where the argument kicks in. Right here you're talking out two sides of your mouth. Yes, you believe in tongues. Ok good. But because I haven't experienced it, or people that I know fake or abuse it, then everyone must be a fake. There are two options, let's just be clear. Tongues are either:

1. Still in use today as it was in the NT

2. Demonic and from the pit of hell.

There is no in between. It's either of man "the devil", or it's of the Spirit, God. There's no quibbling, no waffling. So when you present those two options, you can see why people would be upset and offended.



I've heard of them. People follow Calvin and Westley and others. Some things they got right, some wrong. If you follow man, yes, you'll follow into error if they do. There are a sect of Pentecostals that believe you're not saved unless you speak in tongues, that's false. There are those who believe unless you're baptized Jesus only, you're not saved, error. Some believe that you have to be baptized to go to heaven, error. You have to look into the book and read for yourself.

No where in the NT was a specific date and time given for tongues to cease. I hear so many people say "God is very specific". Ok then if there was a definite time, day, hour, minute tongues were to cease God would have made that clear in the Word. All tongues after this date are false and of the devil. That's an awful important detail not to give.

Not a "modern tongues movement" more accurately described as a move of God by Holy Spirit anointing in these days.
Which He offers freely to any who will come to Him.
blessings

I hate always using the same examples, but let's go back to the 1750's, where a man named John Wesley, confessed he did not have the Gift of Speaking in Tongues and even questioned if it was for his day. Then he went on to write on 20 separate accounts where he either witnessed, or he was preaching and saw the Spirit of God erupt into Speaking in Tongues [which is cool, you don't believe in Speaking in Tongues, but your preaching caused Believers to begin Speaking in Tongues].

And from that we eventually come to the early 1900's USA.

But let's go directly to us Today.

We have every interpretation of God's Word from every background in the form of Theologians, Bible Scholars, Teachers of the Word of God. We have for and against Speaking in Tongues, and we have pro's and cons. We have solid evidence of when it is WRONG, and solid evidence of when it is CORRECT. From the internet alone, we have every possible advantage and disadvantage of everyone's knowledge combined. We have a Greater understanding Today, than we have ever had when pertaining all meaning towards the Word of God.

And ironically, it all boils down to personal belief based upon what can be examined from youtube and the many other sources readily available.

And for the most part, Many will state, I believe in the Gift of Tongues, I believe it could still be for Today, but what I have seen it cannot be the Same example as we read in the Bible.

1. When you read the Mark of the Beast, [before we knew about RFID Chips], did you ever connect the Mark of the Beast to an RFID Chip that can hold all of your banking, personal, medical information, works like a credit card/insurance card/Driver's License and connects directly to the Main-Frame computer? Even the technology exists today where you can be Mobile and have your thoughts picked up neurologically and interpreted. I never thought of that when I read or heard the Book of Revelation being preached in the early 1970's, but I believe it today.

2. what about this found in Revelation:
The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. Do we think these are really insects? Or, could they be Drones and Helicopters?


So what is my point using those ^ examples for Modern Day Speaking Tongues.

Clearly, many things we read in the Word of God, that were understood 2,000 years ago, are not 100% crystal clear in Meaning for our day and time. The Apostle John would not understand what a Drone was, but a flying Locust that stings like a Scorpion from its tail perfectly describes several Military Drones Today. I feel Modern Day Speaking in Tongues holds a Similar Viewpoint!

But be assured, I do not believe all Modern Day examples are legit. But for the most part, I do believe they are true/sincere/and of the Holy Spirit!

i was going to comment. But I could not say anything that has not already been said.

Jesus was clear when He said he only did what He saw the Father do, He only said what He heard the Father say, by the Holy Spirit as He was given by John the Baptist.
He modeled for us how the Father would have us live.
best wishes