Galatians Discussion

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

Paul is speaking of when he made a commitment to God, obviously. He felt alive before he made that commitment because there was no condemnation from the law then. But once he sought to obey the law as the basis to attain to eternal life, as it is very plainly written sin took occasion of the commandment to arouse all manner of concupiscence in him
For, the power of sin is the law

The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin and fear of sin brings allurement to sin

Except in verses 14-24 saul the pharisee is being spoken of, not Paul the Christian

The command do not commit murder does not tell you how not to do it.

The law was not given to show us how. it was given to prove how we failed.

I think you hit it on the nail here

the power of sin is the law.

This is what Grandpa has been saying. Its the power to do what our nature wants to do.

That is why as believers we walk away from the schoomaster. Because its job is complete

But Grandpa appeared to me to be saying the law only reveals what we have always done. But that is not what Paul states here. He states through his knowledge of the commandment all manner of sin is aroused in him. Sin vastly increases, it does not continue the same as it did previously

listen to him carefully. I think your reading to much into it

May the Lord abundantly bless you and receive you as a son.

“OK, you wanted me to explain how sin was able to use the ten commandments to arouse all manner of sin/concupiscence in Saul.”

Uh no you hear asking me and I realized you had something you wanted to explain so invited you to do that.

Brother I don’t think anyone needs to explain it that’s what the apostles and New Testament writers are doing we’re believers meant tomlewrn and believe the New Testament.

It explains itself is sort of the point. Paul isn’t talking about his own self alone he’s explaining the concept of the law of sin in man and how we need to part with the flesh because the law of good and evil provokes sin through the flesh.

You can’t read paul verse by verse he’s explaining concepts like baptism

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and how it affects the believer regarding the law

“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

…Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;

that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice he’s still talking about the concept of dying in Christ to the law ? Paul uses chapters to explain deep concepts and how they apply to Christians.

the laws purpose is why it gives strength to sin it meant to reveal mans sinfulness to them And hold them guilty so they will receive the savior when they meet him.

Our law os everything Christ said not anything Moses had said to the flesh of Israel but what God said to the spirit of man in the gospel

Christ and the gospel doesn’t produce fruit of sin and death it produces the fruit of the spirit that’s why we need to convert from the subversion of Moses law it’s a yoke no one can keep that accuses and condemns everyone under it

meanwhile Christ is about repentance and remission of sin under the prior law and testament and have now the New Testament words made of faith

“Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the deeds of the law aren’t able to benefit anyone because the entire law is not of faith

“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:11-12‬ ‭

we need to believe the gospel and let the law be fulfilled like he came to do

“No other explanation was given, no exegesis, just the plain statements.”

wasn’t this said just prior lol ?

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:8-10‬ ‭

we keep reading

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

of course is we remove that and explain it’s not there it’s going to lead to a different idea of what follows.

Christians should be set against sin but when they find out thier not sinless then they can repent but only if they will acknowledge their sins confess and repent like we’re taught.

“And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:5-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Repentance and remission of sins without it we’re all lost.

the light is the word of Jesus Christ
We walk in the gospel and we’ll come to repent and have our sins remitted

To repent isn't something you do once and then never again. You either live your life wanting to sin or you live your life wanting to not sin.

yes lol you’ve made that argument at lest ten times I don’t agree it doesn’t ever say the law was removed for some reasons and not others it just says what it says

if you have what Moses said written on your heart as a Christian then you. Red to get baptized d die to the law d start accepting the gospel

you can’t follow Moses word and follow Jesus word

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

obeying the law of Moses has nothing at all to do with salvation obeying the gospel is where it’s found

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“But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the condemnation of the law is the one thing not removed it’s why we die. You sin you have to die that’s the laws condemnation once you die the condemnation of the lawhas been fulfilled. It’s you sin once now you just die.

when it comes to righteousness

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Justification

“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

obedience

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:”
‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭

it has nothing to do with Moses law I’ve shown you this a couple times when it comes to Moses law Christians are not taught to obey it


“But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
…… Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:5-7, 10, 24, 28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to try adding back Moses law is a subversion to the souls of those who buy into it a yoke no one can bear being put on their neck the gospel is what we need to believe and obey Moses law can’t help us now

For you to try to somehow apply the law is not something I agree with it doesn’t mean I’m right and your wrong but I think it’s pretty plainly stated to be righteous one need to follow Jesus and the gospel to be yokes to Moses law means we haven’t died yet to the flesh that’s why the law is pulling at us it’s a law for those following the flesh

amen it’s a lifelong commitment not to willingly serve sin and repent when you realize you have

A big portion of scripture is given to tell us law. Do not take away from that scripture by limiting its use. Instead open your mind to all that scripture tells you, including all the uses we are to make of the law.

The book of both Galatians and the 119th Psalm both speak of the law in opposite ways, both and scripture, both are truth.

“Instead open your mind to all that scripture tells you, including all the uses we are to make of the law.”

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law is used to make sinners know sin , to shit thier mouth about self righteousness and prove them all under sin like the others they notice .

another use of the law

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,

till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19-

Paul is explaining more about this

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the lawgiver not Moses. Moses knew it also. The people begged for God to stop speaking his word to them so he agreed and promised Jesus would come later and speak for him

“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter knew it and look at how he’s revealing it to us no one needs to re explain what Peter saying it’s the Holy Ghost Peter just had received speaking the truth for us this is what it’s all about

“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham,

And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:18-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the same jesus there was sent to all people beginning at Jerusalem by all of the believing remnant of Israel after Christ died and rose. He came to them first and sent them to us with his message afterhe rose.

when we get baptized into christs death it means we died for our sins in his body by faith the law has now concluded the sinner died now belongs to Jesus and the gospel where we get born again and enter the kingdom.

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

I think your studying has led you astray

The law was given not to help you. But to bring you to your knees
the mere fact you keep looking at the law and are not on your knees begging God for his mercy is just part of the problem and proof you do not understand the law
The law which says do not commit murder. just says that.

IT CAN NOT HELP YOU IN YOUR DAILY WALK

It does not tell you what to do so you do not break it. It just tells you not to break it. thus it condemns you if you do.

I don't know your Christian walk, but I wouldn't need anyone to tell me I needed to repent when I err. It is the most natural thing in the world to do. How can anyone err and not say sorry to God? The weight is far too much otherwise. And we love Him. If you were married wouldnt you tell your wife you were sorry if you upset her? You would have to have a very cold relationship with your Father in Heaven if you needed someone to tell you to say sorry to Him when you erred. I would have to consider whether such a person had a relationship with God at all

When I first joined an internet debating website, many kept going on about the ten commandments. To be honest, I couldn't remember what all of them were, as I mainly read the new testement. So I thought I had better brush up on them for the purpose of debate. When I did read them, I found I already in my heart and mind wanted to follow the ones I couldn't remember. That's because that is where the law now is for the believer. It is not a law written in ink, but one written on tablets of human hearts 2Cor3:3

He already has, though I have done nothing to deserve it, and I trust in a righteousness that is not my own, that one day He will receive me as a Son and I will dwell with him in the new jerusalem, all because of His unfailing love for those who could never earn or deserve His blessings. And the expression of God's unfailing love under the new covenant is Christ dying for us at Calvary