Your lifespan (Psalm90:10)

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The days of our years are
threescore years and ten; and if by
reason of strength they be
fourscore years, yet is their
strength labor and sorrow; for it is
soon cut off, and we fly away.

How do other people see this as a Biblical statement, especially in the light of modern medicine?
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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As I understand it, there are these filaments within the cells of the body called telomeres. Every time the cell divides, the telomeres shorten. Other things can damage the telomeres as well, such as radiation. The shorter the telomeres, the more errors pile up when copying DNA during cell division. Those errors result in less and less functional cells and the overall entropy/breakdown/aging of the body.

This Bible verse points to an average lifespan age and a "good old age" for those who are healthier/stronger/have a better lifestyle, etc. But the telomeres themselves represent a hard limit to human lifespan without modifying the human organism.

There ARE those who want to modify the human organism in order to eliminate aging. And theoretically speaking, I think it's possible to do so with technology. I just don't think that God is going to allow humanity to achieve this. Look at the Tower of Babel account. There are some human projects that God just says, "Nope, that's not going to happen" and it doesn't.

Another similar thing is the suffering of women with their cycles and childbirth. This should be technologically solvable. But it's actually a Biblical curse from God and a reminder, so I don't think it's something that there will ever be a widespread solution for.
 

Dino246

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The days of our years are
threescore years and ten; and if by
reason of strength they be
fourscore years, yet is their
strength labor and sorrow; for it is
soon cut off, and we fly away.

How do other people see this as a Biblical statement, especially in the light of modern medicine?
It is an observation, not a limitation.
 

p_rehbein

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The days of our years are
threescore years and ten; and if by
reason of strength they be
fourscore years, yet is their
strength labor and sorrow; for it is
soon cut off, and we fly away.

How do other people see this as a Biblical statement, especially in the light of modern medicine?
How about you give us your thoughts as you appear to be a Student of Combanitorics. Surely, you must have some insight you have calculated?
 
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How about you give us your thoughts as you appear to be a Student of Combanitorics. Surely, you must have some insight you have calculated?
Combanitorics is the studied of probability. The most important thing to know about it is that no one does "applied probability" (applied probability is cheating at cards). Combanitorics is the applied STUDY of probability, and it matters whether or not you understand that there's an actual difference. Most people who use the skill set are LAN techs.
 

Aerials1978

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When my destined time comes, nothing can prolong my eventual physical death. It’s already been determined. Sounds fatalistic, but it’s the truth.
 

Aerials1978

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Combanitorics is the studied of probability. The most important thing to know about it is that no one does "applied probability" (applied probability is cheating at cards). Combanitorics is the applied STUDY of probability, and it matters whether or not you understand that there's an actual difference. Most people who use the skill set are LAN techs.
I have never heard of Combinatorics before today. Of course it’s an advanced form of mathematics, so I’m not even going to try and understand. Some things are just beyond my limits. Still, it’s interesting to look into.
 
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I have never heard of Combinatorics before today. Of course it’s an advanced form of mathematics, so I’m not even going to try and understand. Some things are just beyond my limits. Still, it’s interesting to look into.
There's nothing advanced about it. You do hear about it a lot in advanced fields, and one of them is economics. Economists try to predict things. It's the basis of weather forecaster jokes. Unfortunately, it's taken more seriously than it ought to be. Modern quantum physics and the Internet both are just full of the stuff. Combanitorics is probability though. They used to not teach it at all in elementary school math (good grief, it's how to compute odds). The actual popularity of it is down to the psychologists and the sociologists, actually. Some people decided that they could use "factors" to predict human behavior. Fundamentally, combanitorics, well in a sense it's hogwash, but it's very very highly official hogwash. Ask your therapist (not that you have one, I'm just being sarcastic. I do, I read PhD math dissertations. A lot of them get written about whether randomness even exists or not. :)
 

p_rehbein

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Combanitorics is the studied of probability. The most important thing to know about it is that no one does "applied probability" (applied probability is cheating at cards). Combanitorics is the applied STUDY of probability, and it matters whether or not you understand that there's an actual difference. Most people who use the skill set are LAN techs.
Wasn't asking about combanitorics, was asking for your thoughts on the question(s) you posed in your OP......

I know what combanitorics is.
 

p_rehbein

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for those wondering...........

Combinatorics is an area of mathematics primarily concerned with counting, both as a means and an end in obtaining results, and certain properties of finite structures. It is closely related to many other areas of mathematics and has many applications ranging from logic to statistical physics and from evolutionary biology to computer science.
The full scope of combinatorics is not universally agreed upon. According to H.J. Ryser, a definiti…

Combinatorics - Wikipedia
 
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Wasn't asking about combanitorics, was asking for your thoughts on the question(s) you posed in your OP......

I know what combanitorics is.
Well, the thing is, this verse indicates that God Himself meant for you to live at least 70 years. It says that if you have strength, you might live longer, and it says that at most, that will be ten years longer. Now throughout most of modern history (think of modern history as having been western history since the time of Christ) most lives have been a lot shorter than that.
 

oyster67

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Well, the thing is, this verse indicates that God Himself meant for you to live at least 70 years.
Not really. God has appointed a different span for everyone and that is what happens. God intends for all souls to exist forever and thus they will, in one place or the other. We are given but a short time to determine or eternal destinies. Please surrender all to Jesus and accept His precious blood as full Atonement for your sin's today.
 

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For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away 1Pet.1:24

Forwhat is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. Jas.4:14