TONGUES is a precious gift from God

According to You, someone with No Credentials to make any type of conclusion or decision as you have! I would suggest that everyone should ignore your opinion since it is based off pure conjecture and no professional authority in the realm of Linguistics.

And here is the reason you are having issues with other posters. I made a very simple comment to HB, if you can't understand a poster, move on. You take it as the worst insult you've ever received, take it to the tenth spiritual level, take a fictional character and act like I compared you to an ax murderer. So let me give you some advice in return, you are far too sensitive to be in a forum. You take everything far too seriously,an emoji is not "spiritual". You're ministry is out there, not here. This is a place people discuss, we don't personalize every little word. You do. You and HB were derailing the thread simply because you were talking past each other. I gave advice to him. Now you think you'll take me to task for it. I'm not that person.

No it isn't sister. The only derailing that is being done is to press an effect which I firmly intend to resist every step of the way in the name of Christ. Thats it.

No it isn't sister. The only derailing that is being done is to press an effect which I firmly intend to resist every step of the way in the name of Christ. Thats it.

According to You, someone with No Credentials to make any type of conclusion or decision as you have! I would suggest that everyone should ignore your opinion since it is based off pure conjecture and no professional authority in the realm of Linguistics.

None, and I haven't watched any. No sincere person would take something so sacred and put it on a secular media like Youtube. Seriously, gimme a break.

Again, no clue what you're getting at - I believe I've already stated I am a linguist and I assure you nothing has been "made up".

So, here are three links to random tongues videos pulled off of YT - curious if any of these would be considered, in you the reader's opinion, as legit 'tongues' - if so why? If not, why not?

What makes them legit, what makes them not legit??

Does it boil down to a matter of personal opinion? What "Joe" considers legit, "Jane" says is bogus, etc. Is there that much disagreement even amongst tongues-speakers as to what's legit and what's not?

Again, these are just random choices I pulled off the internet, but I think exemplify what's out there.

Then there are myriad of insincere people including pastors out there!

In you're opinion, it's something sacred and not to be shared via media. Okay, that's one opinion. and I thank you for that. Curious to see what others say.

I am stating that an actual well known Linguist disagrees and would claim you are full of baloney, is what I am claiming.

She has national recognition and written material taught this very day.

I do not believe you at all, in your claim of being a Linguist.

The fist video. . .seriously, 7 hours of gibberish? This isn't Biblical and is ridiculous in my opinion.

In regard to the second video, the tongues lasted about 1:00 and the interpretation was :45. That's pretty close but still a 15 second difference. I noticed that the "interpretation" was simply teachings found in God word. The "tongues" was completely unnecessary; this exhortation could have easily been given without tongues.

Also, the preacher says: "We thank you Lord for your word. Your word is the source of life. . .etc." I agree, His word is the source of life. But there was nothing profound in the interpretation that couldn't be known by simply reading the Bible. It impressed me as a gimmick used to entertain and impress.

In the third video, the first episode of "tongues" was approximately :30 but the "interpretation" went on for 1:00. In the second episode, the "tongues" was again :30 but the "interpretation was :45. Maybe she was using some heavenly shorthand, I don't know.

The third video is from a Billye Brim conference at her Prayer Mountain retreat near Branson, Missouri. Brim worked for Kenneth Hagin Ministries for 10 years as Editor of Publications and taught at Rhema Bible Training Center. So she's obviously connected to Word of Faith and prosperity gospel. Just click on the Store link at her website and you'll find no shortage of merchandi$e for you to spend your money on.

https://billyebrim.org/about/

This seems like just another Branson attraction geared to entertain. Brim is another brick in the wall of the evangelical industrial complex. So, no, this isn't legit in my opinion.

Really? What is this person's name, may I ask. There is no linguist in the world worth his/her salt that is going to call modern tongues-speech 'language'; human or otherwise. You're free to choose to believe whatever you wish.

So, here are three links to random tongues videos pulled off of YT - curious if any of these would be considered, in you the reader's opinion, as legit 'tongues' - if so why? If not, why not?

What makes them legit, what makes them not legit??

Does it boil down to a matter of personal opinion? What "Joe" considers legit, "Jane" says is bogus, etc. Is there that much disagreement even amongst tongues-speakers as to what's legit and what's not?

Again, these are just random choices I pulled off the internet, but I think exemplify what's out there.

Kavik,

It took me several attempts with her to witness Speaking in Tongues. To begin with, she is an ATHEIST, so her first inclination is that it is either gibberish or hog wash. Not every Service was Tongues present. Eventually, we were able to observe Prayer Service, or organized Prayer Times. What she ultimately concluded, through the different peoples with a multitude of natural Languages such as Espano/English/Portuguese/French/Russian/and a few others, is that NATURALLY their sounds within their Native Languages do not match one another from French to spanish to Russian to English, to Yiddish and so forth. BUT, WHEN SHE OBSERVED THESE PEOPLE, WHO SPOKE NATURAL DIFFERENT LANGUAGES SPEAKING IN TONGUES, [[THEY ALL USED A SIMILAR DIALECT NOT FOUND WITHIN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE]].

From this, she was able to determine that if a Russian, Asian, English, Spanish, French speaking peoples whose Dialects and Sounds are as diverse from one another, BUT, when Speaking in Tongues, their Dialects suddenly become Similar, IT IS IN FACT A LANGUAGE, JUST NOT A HUMAN LANGUAGE!

Anecdotally, when I was an undergrad, one of my professors mentioned having seen a study or two on glossolalia. The studies indicated that the phoneme inventory was always quite small, smaller than that found in practically any natural language. Maybe even smaller than the Hawaiian inventory of thirteen phonemes, although my professor didn't go into details.

My professor was an excellent linguist. She did believe that glossolalia was, at least in some cases, an inspired state and that people in that state were often speaking genuine languages. However, they weren't natural human languages.




Goodman, Felicitas (1969). Phonetic Analysis of Glossolalia in Four Cultural Settings. Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion 227-239. Goodman, Felicitas (1972). Speaking in Tongues. A Cross-Cultural Study of Glossolalia. The University of Chicago Press. Samarin, William (1972a). Tongues of Men and Angels. The Religious Language of Pentecostalism. The Macmillan Company. Samarin, William (1972b). Variation and Variables in Religious Glossolalia. Language in Society 1:121-130. Samarin, William (1973). Glossolalia as Regressive Speech. Language and Speech 16:77-89. Samarin, William (1974). Review of Goodman (1972). Language 5:207-213.

Malony H.N. & Lovekin A.A. 1985. Glossolalia, New York, Oxford University Press.

Dilia Flores. Analisis y Comparacian de Hablas Sagradas en Tres Formas de Trance-Posesian: Un Estudio en Etnografia de la Comunicacion. Universidad del Zulia, 1987. A study of glossolalia and related phenomena in Maracaibo, Venezuela.

_Tongue Speaking_, Morton Kelsey (New York: Crossroad, 1981).

_They Speak With Other Tongues_, by John L. Sherrill (Westwood, New Jersey: Fleming H. Revell, 1964), a popular treatment.

_The Pentecostal Movement in the Catholic Church_ by Edward D. O'Connor (Notre Dame, Indiana: Ave Maria Press, 1971) claims cases of xenolalia (speaking in an unlearned, existing language).

And a recommendation to perform a library search for Donald Clarence Laycock which might uncover a few things on glossolalia.





There are literally 30 Well Known LINGUIST claiming Speaking in Tongues is a REAL LANGUAGE, but not a Human Language!